Sapporo 2030: Give them an offer they can't refuse with no bids involved

[iceman530]

I mean I would love it.  Itll be a chore to overcome the negative publicity of Tokyo's various issues and scandals, but if they can, I think it would be an excellent games.  I also think the IOC is going to bet it all on black and give it a ride.  They're going to ride this one to the end.  Hopefully it works out.

[Quaker2001]

10 hours ago, iceman530 said:

I mean I would love it.  Itll be a chore to overcome the negative publicity of Tokyo's various issues and scandals, but if they can, I think it would be an excellent games.  I also think the IOC is going to bet it all on black and give it a ride.  They're going to ride this one to the end.  Hopefully it works out.

This is where the new norm helps the cause for Sapporo.  They don't have to go through the usual long and drawn out process to prove their worthiness and stand up to scrutiny.  The question marks with Sapporo have little to do with their ability to host an Olympics and Japan certain deserves a do-over after Tokyo.  If the IOC awards them 2030, then perception largely becomes irrelevant.  It's a done deal.  And I think we've established the IOC doesn't really care that much what the world thinks of them so long as the money is flowing in

[AustralianFan]

Sapporo about to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue for the 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games

“The revised draft plan to host the Games in Hokkaido prefecture was presented to City Assembly revealing total capital costs and expenses could range from ¥297 billion (USD $2.03 billion) to ¥317 billion (USD $2.17 billion) – up from the previous budget of ¥280 billion (USD $1.9 billion) to ¥300 billion (USD $2.05 billion) tabled one year ago. The bid committee blamed economic conditions, including inflation, for the change.”

“Organizers plan to fund the project with mostly private investment, sparing taxpayers from any large expense.”

 

[SportLightning]

I think it would be tough with the expensive projects.

[AustralianFan]

6 Dec-2022

click here for huge developments today from IOC EB re 2030 and future Winter Olympic Games

>> IOC Executive Board Meeting - Gamesbids.com <<

[AustralianFan]

“Japanese officials will use the time to address flawed governance issues that led to widespread corruption during the organization of the Tokyo 2020 Games.”

“The public has since soured on Sapporo’s bid, but the IOC said Wednesday that they are confident Japan’s government is correcting the problem.“

Credit: IOC President speculates on possible 2030/2034 Winter Olympics double allocation no later than 2025 - Rob Livingstone - Gamesbids.com - 7 December 2022

[AustralianFan]

“Yasuhiro Yamashita, president of the Olympic Committee of Japan (JOC), said that the resolution of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to postpone the decision regarding which venues will continue in the race to organize the 2030 Winter Olympics was surprising.“

 

[Sir Rols]

Stating the bleeding obvious…

Hokkaido Governor admits Tokyo 2020 scandals have damaged Sapporo 2030 Winter Olympics bid

[Palette86]

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Sapporo City, Japan Olympic Committee to pause promotion of Sapporo Winter Games bid

The city of Sapporo and the Japan Olympic Committee will be pausing active promotion of Sapporo's bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics for "a while", Kyodo news agency reported on Tuesday.

A widening scandal regarding corruption during the Tokyo 2020 Olympics has prompted several arrests in connection with suspected bid-rigging, and Sapporo's mayor was quoted last week as saying it might be difficult to carry out promotional activities under current conditions.

Kyodo gave no further information, and the Japan Olympic Committee was not immediately available for comment.

Earlier this month, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided to postpone its decision on the host city for 2030, citing concerns about climate change.

Sappporo and Salt Lake City in the United States are the only cities bidding to host the event after others pulled out.

Police in Japan raided the offices of several advertising agencies late in November as part of investigations into the Tokyo 2020 Olympics scandal. In August, Haruyuki Takahashi, a former member of the Tokyo 2020 Olympics board, was arrested on suspicion of receiving bribes from Olympic sponsors.

Date:2022/12/20

News source:Reuters

Link to this article:https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/sapporo-city-japan-olympic-committee-pause-promotion-sapporo-winter-games-bid-2022-12-20/

[yoshi]

Guess it's Salt Lake or bust now then...

[Quaker2001]

21 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Guess it's Salt Lake or bust now then...

Doesn't mean that at all.  The IOC has essentially told the world there is no real timeline to determine a 2030 host.  So Sapporo can hold off and wait to see what the fallout is regarding Tokyo and then proceed from there.  The IOC knows that (it's largely why they did this in the first place) and will give the situation time to resolve itself.  If it does, then Sapporo could easily be back in play.  If the noise is too loud, then they can fall back on Salt Lake and give them whatever concessions are necessary to make that work for the USOPC.  The interesting aspect there is that if SLC does get elected as 2030 host sometime next year, LA will have had around 6 years to themselves to prepare for their games, about the same amount of lead time in total SLC will have, all but 18 months of which they'll have to go side by side with LA

[Palette86]

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Sapporo 2030 Winter Olympic bid to be reviewed, plans public survey

The Sapporo 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic bid will reportedly undergo a review that may include a nationwide survey asking the public whether it wants to host the Games, the Sapporo mayor and the Japanese Olympic Committee announced in a press conference Tuesday.

The bid “will be pausing active promotion,” according to a Reuters interpretation of Japanese media reports.

The decisions were made in response to two factors, according to Japanese reports: the IOC announcing two weeks ago that the 2030 Olympic and Paralympic host decision will be delayed beyond next summer. Plus, the recent investigation into corruption related to Tokyo being awarded the 2020 Summer Games back in 2013.

Sapporo mayor Katsuhiro Akimoto said officials have not given up on the 2030 bid, the priority is to gain public support and that the will of the people will be respected, according to reports.

Last March, Hokkaido residents were surveyed regarding Sapporo hosting the 2030 Winter Games. Sapporo, the 1972 Winter Olympic host, is the capital of the island of Hokkaido. By mail, 52.2 percent said they supported it. Online, that number was 56.5 percent. In person, it was 65.5 percent support.

A possible follow-up survey would be broader, possibly nationwide, Akimoto reportedly said Tuesday.

There are three interested parties for the 2030 Winter Games, the IOC said on Dec. 6 without naming them. Previously, Salt Lake City, Sapporo and Vancouver were confirmed as bids. Then in October, the British Columbia government said it would not support a Vancouver bid, a major setback, though organizers did not say that decision ended the bid.

The U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee has said it prefers 2034 for Salt Lake City, but can step in for 2030 if asked.

Italy will host the next Winter Games in 2026 in Milan and Cortina d’Ampezzo.

Date:2022/12/20

News sourve:NBC sports

Link:https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2022/12/20/sapporo-2030-winter-olympic-bid/

[AustralianFan]

I agree the IOC most likely will have known.

But rising temperatures at snow venues they will have also been a concern for even longer.

It’s smart to pause now to reassess and reset.

[Sir Rols]

12 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

I agree the IOC most likely will have known.

But rising temperatures at snow venues they will have also been a concern for even longer.

It’s smart to pause now to reassess and reset.

*The average temperature in Sapporo in February for a typical day ranges from a high of 26°F (-3°C) to a low of 15°F (-9°C). Some would describe it as freezing cold and breezy. Source:  https://wanderlog.com/weather/29/2/sapporo-weather-in-february *

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

*The average temperature in Sapporo in February for a typical day ranges from a high of 26°F (-3°C) to a low of 15°F (-9°C). Some would describe it as freezing cold and breezy. Source:  https://wanderlog.com/weather/29/2/sapporo-weather-in-february *

Sapporo is not a problem to meet the 10-year average minimum temperatures being at freezing or below.  If their referendum votes for the Sapporo Games, it’s theirs.

If not, the IOC have still got another year or so to elect a 2030 host.

But it’s rising minimum average temperatures at other potential Games snow venues in other locations around the world that has got the IOC worried.

This new snow venue temperature rule under consideration will likely eliminate locations such as Trojena in Saudi Arabia as potential hosts at the first step they ever enter dialogue with the IOC.

The question is, what other past or possible future Olympic Winter Games Host snow venue locations around would be rubbed out based on this proposed “10-year minimum average below freezing temperature” rule ?

[stryker]

Sapporo's problem isn't the weather. It's the public support which has been tepid at best. No one should be surprised by this at all. The bid had three major factors working against it in the eyes of the public. First there was the Tokyo Olympics which were a massive financial loss. Second, there's the bribery scandal. Third, and this is the likely nail in the coffin, the announcement that the costs for a proposed Sapporo Olympics were increasing by $100 million. If you have cost increases now, imagine what would be coming down the road. Add in the economic slowdown and a likely recession, and a WOGs in Japan are a hard sell just as they were in Vancouver. It's Salt Lake or bust at this point.

[AustralianFan]

6 hours ago, stryker said:

Sapporo's problem isn't the weather. It's the public support which has been tepid at best. No one should be surprised by this at all. The bid had three major factors working against it in the eyes of the public. First there was the Tokyo Olympics which were a massive financial loss. Second, there's the bribery scandal. Third, and this is the likely nail in the coffin, the announcement that the costs for a proposed Sapporo Olympics were increasing by $100 million. If you have cost increases now, imagine what would be coming down the road. Add in the economic slowdown and a likely recession, and a WOGs in Japan are a hard sell just as they were in Vancouver. It's Salt Lake or bust at this point.

I agree.

Temperatures of Sapporo’s snow venues has never been called into question.

On the matter of who will host in 2030, there is still until 2025 for another viable candidate to emerge other than Sapporo.

I wouldn’t be too sure just yet that it’s “SLC or bust”.

We’re still around 18 months away from the postponed 2030 host election.

 

[stryker]

16 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

On the matter of who will host in 2030, there is still until 2025 for another viable candidate to emerge other than Sapporo.

I wouldn’t be too sure just yet that it’s “SLC or bust”.

We’re still around 18 months away from the postponed 2030 host election.

 

18 months is not a lot of time especially for any European bid that is likely to have to conduct both a feasibility study and the dreaded referendum. IMO the delay is more hope than substance from the IOC that somehow either Vancouver or Sapporo can work out their problems allowing them to keep Salt Lake penciled in for 2034.

The problem is both are longshots at best. Sapporo has to pass a referendum. Today's news that an independent audit found the  Tokyo 2020 budget was actually 20 percent higher than reported indicating a likely cover-up. That's not going to help Sapporo's cause nor is the likelihood of a recession in Japan next year.

Vancouver's bid is dead without BC's funding and that's not likely either given they've already said the decision on funding is final.  I suppose the COC could look for another possible host such as a regional Alberta bid but again this would likely face a referendum.

That leaves Salt Lake. If the IOC was smart they'd use these next 18 months to negotiate with Sale Lake on financial compensation to get them to agree to host 2030. If they want to, the USOPC and the folks in Salt Lake can have the IOC looking down a double barrel.

[AustralianFan]

18 hours ago, stryker said:

18 months is not a lot of time especially for any European bid that is likely to have to conduct both a feasibility study and the dreaded referendum. IMO the delay is more hope than substance from the IOC that somehow either Vancouver or Sapporo can work out their problems allowing them to keep Salt Lake penciled in for 2034.

The problem is both are longshots at best. Sapporo has to pass a referendum. Today's news that an independent audit found the  Tokyo 2020 budget was actually 20 percent higher than reported indicating a likely cover-up. That's not going to help Sapporo's cause nor is the likelihood of a recession in Japan next year.

Vancouver's bid is dead without BC's funding and that's not likely either given they've already said the decision on funding is final.  I suppose the COC could look for another possible host such as a regional Alberta bid but again this would likely face a referendum.

That leaves Salt Lake. If the IOC was smart they'd use these next 18 months to negotiate with Sale Lake on financial compensation to get them to agree to host 2030. If they want to, the USOPC and the folks in Salt Lake can have the IOC looking down a double barrel.

Vancouver 2030 is not quite dead yet it seems.

2030 Olympic bid not quite dead, but B.C. government must join talks: First Nations

 

[stryker]

6 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Vancouver 2030 is not quite dead yet it seems.

2030 Olympic bid not quite dead, but B.C. government must join talks: First Nations

 

And the BC government had already said their decision on funding is final. They aren't even willing to discuss it.

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, stryker said:

And the BC government had already said their decision on funding is final. They aren't even willing to discuss it.

The First Nations peoples think otherwise now have more of time on their side to revive this Vancouver 2030 candidature.

The bid is not dead ….. yet.

 

[stryker]

46 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

The First Nations peoples think otherwise now have more of time on their side to revive this Vancouver 2030 candidature.

The bid is not dead ….. yet.

 

The First Nations aren't paying the bill, the taxpayers of BC are. BC should simply tell the First Nations to foot the cost of the Olympics themselves. The First Nations don't seem to grasp that concept that they want to call the shots with other people's money. The BC government is under no obligation to oblige and the First Nations have no say in what the taxpayers of BC pay for.

[AustralianFan]

37 minutes ago, stryker said:

The First Nations aren't paying the bill, the taxpayers of BC are. BC should simply tell the First Nations to foot the cost of the Olympics themselves. The First Nations don't seem to grasp that concept that they want to call the shots with other people's money. The BC government is under no obligation to oblige and the First Nations have no say in what the taxpayers of BC pay for.

Well, the bid is still not dead.    You can argue all you like about government support and what the First Nations are planning or what they “grasp” or do not grasp.

But the bid is not dead …yet

[Karenina]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Well, the bid is still not dead.    You can argue all you like about government support and what the First Nations are planning or what they “grasp” or do not grasp.

But the bid is not dead …yet

How is the bid not dead yet if the BC gov't isn't willing to foot the bill?  Is there some other funding source you've read about that hasn't been reported in the press?  Is Trudeau going to have the federal gov't pay for this?  Doubtful.

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, Karenina said:

How is the bid not dead yet if the BC gov't isn't willing to foot the bill?  Is there some other funding source you've read about that hasn't been reported in the press?  Is Trudeau going to have the federal gov't pay for this?  Doubtful.

You cannot pronounce the bid dead just yet, nor can Stryker, nor can anyone of us here behind our keyboards.  We are not involved in either the First Nations peoples in Canada nor the government there nor the IOC or thr Canadian Olympic Committee.

We can only guess at the likely trajectory of this candidature.  

You will just have to wait ….. like the rest of us until if and when both parties have pronounced the bid dead and buried.

Until then, we need to watch for any further developments some time over the next 12 month or so to see what happens, of anything.

• Indigenous-led bid to host 2030 Olympics 'stalled' but not quite dead, organizers say - 29 October 2022
• 2030 Olympic bid not quite dead, but B.C. government must join talks: First Nations - 28 October 2022
• First Nations urge BC NDP government to reconsider 2030 Olympic bid - 29 October 2022

We each just need to be patient