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The IOC should take that Japan "momentum" while it is still there and give Sapporo the 2030 games as a "thanks" and "sorry".  Spare Sapporo the entire process of bidding.  Just give it to them, and make it as easy as possible to get everything set up.  Cut all the red tape, and make it happen.  

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7 hours ago, iceman530 said:

The IOC should take that Japan "momentum" while it is still there and give Sapporo the 2030 games as a "thanks" and "sorry".  Spare Sapporo the entire process of bidding.  Just give it to them, and make it as easy as possible to get everything set up.  Cut all the red tape, and make it happen.  

I am pretty sure that is what the IOC would love to do and what they probably have offered to Japan yet. If Sapporo and Japan want it, they can probably sign the deal by the time Beijing gets on. I do not, however, see any such thing as a "momentum" in Japan. The way Bach handled these Tokyo games, they will probably be happy not to be involved with anything Olympic for quite some time. And Bach will have to turn to North America for 2030.

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11 hours ago, iceman530 said:

The IOC should take that Japan "momentum" while it is still there and give Sapporo the 2030 games as a "thanks" and "sorry".  Spare Sapporo the entire process of bidding.  Just give it to them, and make it as easy as possible to get everything set up.  Cut all the red tape, and make it happen.  

It doesn’t work like that, especially now.

The Japanese people including the Japanese Government appear to be in no mood to even say the words ‘Olympic Games’, let alone tolerate having another one.  Unfortunately, Sapporo 2030 is dead in the water if anti-Olympics opinion polls are anything to go by in Japan. 

The Japanese Government look like they’re going to be wiped out at the next election, along with a Sapporo 2030 Winter Games candidature.

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The only way Sapporo agrees to this after the 30$ billion loss that was Tokyo is . . . The IOC foots the bill for ALL costs involved, venue construction, everything. Of course we know that won't happen.

It will be decades before Japan hosts or considers the Olympics again

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Agree - although I think once they got going the Japanese got behind their athletes and the event a bit more ultimately through no fault of their own the Olympics isn't something they'll want in the next few years.   Perhaps had they had a fair bidding process for 2032 there might have been an argument for discussions with Tokyo for the summer games to return in 2036 so they could put on the show they intended too and claw back some of the investment in venues from 2020, but with the games four years earlier being in Brisbane that is highly unlikely.

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On 8/11/2021 at 2:46 AM, iceman530 said:

The IOC should take that Japan "momentum" while it is still there and give Sapporo the 2030 games as a "thanks" and "sorry".  Spare Sapporo the entire process of bidding.  Just give it to them, and make it as easy as possible to get everything set up.  Cut all the red tape, and make it happen.  

Momentum? Give them another Games in 9 years? I'm afraid the Japanese people and gov would consider that offer a declaration of war. The only "thanks" and "sorry" they want is to close the Paralympics and try to forget everything for a few generations.

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For people saying that japan and sapporo doesn't even want to hear olympics in a while, remember that since january of last year Sapporo is the only "official" bidding city for those games, that being said the only reason we hadn't listen a lot about these bids is not because of lack of interest bidders, but the lame behind doors bidding process, city of Sapporo hasn't said anything YET about cancelling their bid, in fact after tokyo olympics, mayor said they were going to search for the hosting in 2030. When media says 80% of japanese didnt want the games to take place...80% didnt want them In the middle of a pandemic, but still they wanted to host the event.

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8 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

For people saying that japan and sapporo doesn't even want to hear olympics in a while, remember that since january of last year Sapporo is the only "official" bidding city for those games, that being said the only reason we hadn't listen a lot about these bids is not because of lack of interest bidders, but the lame behind doors bidding process, city of Sapporo hasn't said anything YET about cancelling their bid, in fact after tokyo olympics, mayor said they were going to search for the hosting in 2030. When media says 80% of japanese didnt want the games to take place...80% didnt want them In the middle of a pandemic, but still they wanted to host the event.

The polls to look at are the ones where the public called for cancellation or postponement. Those were well over 60%. When the financial numbers for Tokyo start coming out it's likely going to sour the publix even more on a Sapporo bid.

If not, the upcoming elections will finish it off. The Constitutional Democrats, who called for the Tokyo Games to be cancelled, are likely going to be voted into power and Suga will be out as PM. I suspect they will move quickly to cancel the Sapporo bid.

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TOCOG lead Seiko Hashimoto ends the party on crack.  She pronounced: 

Hashimoto, the head of the organizing committee, indicated Sunday that Sapporo would bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics. It was the host city in 1972.  "For 2030, Sapporo will definitely become a candidate,” Hashimoto said. “I would hope this would become a reality.”

This comes at the end of this article:  Closing ceremony of the Paralympics marks the end of Tokyo’s 8-year Olympic saga - Baltimore Sun  

:wacko:

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On 8/29/2021 at 4:23 AM, Chris_Mex said:

For people saying that japan and sapporo doesn't even want to hear olympics in a while, remember that since january of last year Sapporo is the only "official" bidding city for those games, that being said the only reason we hadn't listen a lot about these bids is not because of lack of interest bidders, but the lame behind doors bidding process, city of Sapporo hasn't said anything YET about cancelling their bid, in fact after tokyo olympics, mayor said they were going to search for the hosting in 2030. When media says 80% of japanese didnt want the games to take place...80% didnt want them In the middle of a pandemic, but still they wanted to host the event.

Sapporo Mayor Katsuhiro Akimoto plans to

“survey residents about their opinions on whether Sapporo should host the Winter Games”.

 Sapporo Mayor hails Olympic events, might review 2030 bid - 11 August 2021 - The Asahi Shimbun

It looks like Sapporo 2030 now hangs on the Mayor’s “survey of residents”. 

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35 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I think they're giving the Japanese a little breathing room first.  Everyone has to turn their attention to Covid now.  When Japan has that under control and there is excitement over Beijing 2022 happening, the Sapporoans might get excited to talk earnestly again.  

Agreed.

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The downside about waiting for Beijing excitement is the lockdown measures are sure to bring back the Tokyo COVID PTSD

That's a double edge sword, but if Sapporo bid somehow pulls this off after what happened in Tokyo, Someone deserves a MaCallan 30 year courtesy of the IOC.  That would be some legendary stuff for a legendary maneuver.  

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5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Sapporo Mayor Katsuhiro Akimoto plans to

“survey residents about their opinions on whether Sapporo should host the Winter Games”.

 Sapporo Mayor hails Olympic events, might review 2030 bid - 11 August 2021 - The Asahi Shimbun

It looks like Sapporo 2030 now hangs on the Mayor’s “survey of residents”. 

Ur right, lets give Brisbane the damn winter olympics too, according to you, australia is the only non-dictatorial place which could be an olympic host without having to sort out a referendum

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30 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Ur right, lets give Brisbane the damn winter olympics too, according to you, australia is the only non-dictatorial place which could be an olympic host without having to sort out a referendum

are you for real? seriously …  your head is in the sand brother

There were three measures of public support for the Brisbane Olympics … and you missed all three.

  • Landslide Queensland State Election Win by the pro-Olympics State Government
  • Public opinion polls conducted by the IOC themselves and one done by The Courier Mail newspaper

The support for the Olympics in the two opinion polls was in the 60% range.

That the pro-Olympics State Government thenwon the Queensland State Election by a huge margin was what really clinched the Games.

 

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1 hour ago, iceman530 said:

The downside about waiting for Beijing excitement is the lockdown measures are sure to bring back the Tokyo COVID PTSD

That's a double edge sword, but if Sapporo bid somehow pulls this off after what happened in Tokyo, Someone deserves a MaCallan 30 year courtesy of the IOC.  That would be some legendary stuff for a legendary maneuver.  

Absolutely, fully agree.

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1 minute ago, AustralianFan said:

are you for real? seriously …  your head is in the sand brother

There were three measures of public support for the Brisbane Olympics … and you missed all three.

  • Landslide Queensland State Election Win by the pro-Olympics State Government
  • Public opinion polls conducted by the IOC themselves and one done by The Courier Mail newspaper

The support for the Olympics in the two opinion polls was in the 60% range.

That the pro-Olympics State Government thenwon the Queensland State Election by a huge margin was what really clinched the Games.

 

a poll and a referendum are two totally diferent things, and an election and a referendum are also a totally different things. Spoiler alert, neither of them is an official referendum

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But seriously which country would you think will host olympics 2030?, if japan wouldnt want to host olympics in 2030 becuase of the proximity to tokyo 2020, why would the US want to host the games 2 years after la 2028, with all the sponsors involved. On the other hand Vancouver for now is only a private group initiative, and you don't have to be smart enough to sense that in barcelona the bidding efforts will be cancelled for an eventual 2030 world cup bid. As irrational as it may sound, Japan is the most viable host for 2030. On the other hand isn't it insteresting that since 2022 bidding process almost all cities minimally interested in hosting the winter olympics are former winter/summer olympic hosts? (beijing, cortina d'ampezzo, barcelona, sapporo, S.L.C., calgary, vancouver, stockholm, etc...)

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1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

are you for real? seriously …  your head is in the sand brother

There were three measures of public support for the Brisbane Olympics … and you missed all three.

  • Landslide Queensland State Election Win by the pro-Olympics State Government
  • Public opinion polls conducted by the IOC themselves and one done by The Courier Mail newspaper

The support for the Olympics in the two opinion polls was in the 60% range.

That the pro-Olympics State Government thenwon the Queensland State Election by a huge margin was what really clinched the Games.

 

The landslide election win had nothing to do with the Olympics and both the major parties are pro-Olympics anyway.

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1 hour ago, Chris_Mex said:

a poll and a referendum are two totally diferent things, and an election and a referendum are also a totally different things. Spoiler alert, neither of them is an official referendum

Don’t get hung up on semantics.  

The IOC wanted clear evidence that the majority of Queenslanders supported the Olympics and they got that in spades.

End of story.

 

36 minutes ago, ulu said:

The landslide election win had nothing to do with the Olympics and both the major parties are pro-Olympics anyway.

The  IOC was satisfied that the majority of Queenslanders supported the Olympic Games.

 

 

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That BS is now polluting every thread like those spambots obviously.

The lack of formal bids in the last decade or so has lead to a decline of this forum, but the idea of a clown posting New Norm fan fiction until the Paralympics closing eleven years from now will kill it for sure.

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