Tokyo 2036! Let's give them a 2nd chance!

[SkiFreak]

Been chatting with some people, and it seems everyone wants to give Tokyo a second chance at hosting. Have full stadiums of spectators and fans, a cultural olympiad, etc. Tokyo 2036! It's only 15 years from now. Hopefully covid is out of the picture by then. As it stands, 2020 is going to be like Montreal's Big Owe. If the Japanese people would be in support and except, lets make it so!

Where to begin? Do we start a Change.org petition and send it to the 1976 Champion, Fencing? (that's his name right, because that's how he's always introduced? lol)

 

(one other major factor besides covid; what's climate change gonna be like in 15 years?)

[StefanMUC]

Do they get it for free? Will the IOC open its deep pockets to pay for security, logistics, building a new village?

I know there’s the sympathy aspect but I think emotions shouldn’t overrule the hard figures here (happens way too often in the Olympic world). And I really cannot imagine this idea being super popular right now in Japan, maybe a few years down the line and also seeing who else might want to step up for 36…if the IOC won’t be happy with those candidates, they might give signals to Tokyo.

Can’t really see it happening though.

[arwebb]

If it were to happen, and I can't see it happening, then it surely has to be at a different time of the year to this. Starting endurance events at 6am local time to avoid the worst of the heat and humidity surely has to be some sort of clue and, if it isn't, then the 1964 Games being in October has to be. I'm hopeful it won't be as much of an issue in Brisbane in 2032 but I'm not confident.

[FYI]

As novel as the idea sounds, in a vindication sort of way for these Games, I can't see it happening anytime soon. I think the best that we can hope for, for now, is a Sapporo Winter Games relatively soon. And yes, the next Tokyo Olympics (whenever that'll be) has to be well into the fall. The heat this time around was really a total downer for a lot of the athletes. The "athletes" are supposedly the priority. Yet the IOC held these Games in the middle of the oppressive Tokyo summer (which was the main concern for the Games prior to Corona). Obviously, what's more important to them is all the TV revenue that they get. 

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, arwebb said:

If it were to happen, and I can't see it happening, then it surely has to be at a different time of the year to this. Starting endurance events at 6am local time to avoid the worst of the heat and humidity surely has to be some sort of clue and, if it isn't, then the 1964 Games being in October has to be. I'm hopeful it won't be as much of an issue in Brisbane in 2032 but I'm not confident.

It’s winter in Brisbane then so won’t be a problem.  Temperatures in low 20s celcius

[AustralianFan]

To be awarded an Olympic Games, you first need to express interest in the Games and then voluntarily enter the Continuous Dialogue  phase with the IOC.

In other words, an Olympic Games will not be awarded to you unless you want the Games.

With the Japanese Government looking very likely to be put to the sword at the next election, I don’t think the Japanese people themselves will want another Olympics for a long time, Sapporo 2030 included.

[Nacholympic]

TOTALLY AGREE!!!

But it's difficult. I'd love to see Japanese Olympics as it was planned at the very beggining... Sadly, I think Japan will add the list of "Olympics here, never again":

- Montreal

- Athens

- Río

- Tokyo

....

[BigVic]

If Saporro do get the rights to the 2030 Olympics, I'd like to see the original concept for the Tokyo Opening Ceremony included at the Sapporo Dome. 

[PikyoK]

Count me in! I'd love for Japan to get the next available Olympics as soon as possible.

[PikyoK]

They could try their failed Nagoya bid or their Sapporo 2030 bid

[baron-pierreIV]

2036?  Right; not the Centennial of the Nazi Games, but of their main ally, Imperial JAPAN!  

Could happen if the Yamato dynasty gives up its imperial compound in the heart of the City to make room for a new Athletes' Village.  

[Scotguy II]

Apart from the 1964 and 1972 games, Japan has not done well from the olympics.

There was the cancelled WW2 games, they bribed their way to host Nagano in 1998 and they were sub par and now 2020 COVID.

I do not agree with just giving them the games as a way of empathetic niceness. Remember it is the government of Japan that cause most of the problems and this was happening in Japan before COVID. 

If Japan do bid in future I can see the IOC holding them in good favour because of what happened but will not give them the games based solely on this.

[baron-pierreIV]

3 minutes ago, Scotguy II said:

Apart from the 1964 and 1972 games, Japan has not done well from the olympics.

Actually, they did REMARKABLY well this time.  As host nation, they came in 3rd in total medals.  Only the USSR, the USA and China I think have been on top of their home-based SOGs.  So Japan 2020ne did remarkably better than their first outing in 1964.  

[BigVic]

2036 will likely to go Jakarta, Manila, Doha, India or even Singapore/Malaysia. Singapore/Malaysia will be interesting as it'll be the first Olympics co-hosted by two different countries. 

[FYI]

2036 is Europe's to lose (if they want it, that is). And in the unlikely event that they were to go to Asia, South Korea would be at the top of the feasible list.  

[iceman530]

Give them Sapporo 2030 as a "thanks" and "sorry".  No bids, no strings attached, no BS.  Case open, case shut.  Solves the 2030 problem immediately with a candidate that was before this whole thing very appealing.  Give Sapporo an offer they cant refuse by making it as easy for them as possible.  .  

[baron-pierreIV]

4 minutes ago, FYI said:

2036 is Europe's to lose (if they want it, that is). And in the unlikely event that they were to go to Asia, South Korea would be at the top of the feasible list.  

But who?  The IOC won't let Germany near it by a mile.  That leaves Budapest, Madrid, Istanbul and St. Pete.  None of those are really attractive locations- geo-politcally I mean--not unless there is an Amsterdam-Brussels bid.  Seoul would seem to be the best shot for 2036.  

[baron-pierreIV]

3 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Give them Sapporo 2030 as a "thanks" and "sorry".  No bids, no strings attached, no BS.  Case open, case shut.  Solves the 2030 problem immediately with a candidate that was before this whole thing very appealing.  Give Sapporo an offer they cant refuse by making it as easy for them as possible.  .  

Are you kidding?  Sapporo and the JOC might not want it.  

[iceman530]

1 minute ago, baron-pierreIV said:

But who?  The IOC won't let Germany near it by a mile.  That leaves Budapest, Madrid, Istanbul and St. Pete.  None of those are really attractive locations- geo-politcally I mean--not unless there is an Amsterdam-Brussels bid.  Seoul would seem to be the best shot for 2036.  

 

Madrid.  One of those things is not like the other.  Not by a long shot.  Madrid bids, case open and case shut that business.  

[iceman530]

1 minute ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Are you kidding?  Sapporo and the JOC might not want it.  

At least float it.  If they dont want it, go to Canada hat in hand and ask vancouver to do them a solid and do that dirty" double award" thing with Vancouver in 2030 and SLC in 2034

[baron-pierreIV]

2 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

 

Madrid.  One of those things is not like the other.  Not by a long shot.  Madrid bids, case open and case shut that business.  

Unless climate change is reversed, Madrid will be like Doha and the Emirates today in summer -- a literal oven.  It's in a high, dry plateau.  

[iceman530]

1 minute ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Unless climate change is reversed, Madrid will be like Doha and the Emirates today in summer -- a literal oven.  It's in a high, dry plateau.  

Thats something we are going to have to contend with, and I imagine morning/evening events are going to be much more regular.  That's not the end of the world IMO.  

If that's the barometer, might as well cross off Istanbul as well and say hello to another dope-show in St. Pete.

[baron-pierreIV]

2 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Thats something we are going to have to contend with, and I imagine morning/evening events are going to be much more regular.  That's not the end of the world IMO.  

If that's the barometer, might as well cross off Istanbul as well and say hello to another dope-show in St. Pete.

Au contraire, Istanbul, being beside the water, is actually quite temperate.  Why do you think Constantine and the Ottoman sultans kept their capital there?  Those Bosphorus breezes make Istanbul a very comfortable place in the summer.  Ankara and the inland are warm -- but Izmir and Antalya are also wonderful, temp-wise.  It's not called the Turkish Riviera for nothing.  

[FYI]

14 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

But who?  The IOC won't let Germany near it by a mile.  That leaves Budapest, Madrid, Istanbul and St. Pete.  None of those are really attractive locations- geo-politcally I mean--not unless there is an Amsterdam-Brussels bid.  Seoul would seem to be the best shot for 2036.  

Well, if London does want to bid again, I don't think the IOC will just ignore it because of them already hosted 2012. The Netherlands also seem like it'd be a worthy candidate. With mainly Rotterdam & all the surrounding cities in South Holland & Utrecht. Germany seems to be the wild card. I don't know if I'd automatically rule them out, especially if it's the more progressive NW part of the country, which also has never played host either. And while Madrid, Istanbul & St.Pete may not all be geopolitically attractive, they'll still get a serious look by the IOC nonetheless. Especially if the former Euro options don't materialize. Budapest is a non-starter anyway. Just don't see it regardless. Agreed about Seoul, if it has to go to Asia again, if Europe peeters out (again).

[iceman530]

At least St Petersburg will be there.  I have pretty high confidence in that assumption even if all others drop out in Europe.  They will take St. Petersburg in that case over Korea IMO