Vancouver 2030

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57 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

But New Yorkers would murder that with a NOlympics knife

Certainly would think so, too. Or at least be totally indifferent about it. A lot of New Yorkers already think that their city is already well-established globally to even bother with the Olympics. I think the last shot that the IOC had with NYC was for 2012, but ironically enough, those Games were Europe's to lose (with London or Paris. Or to a lesser extent, Madrid or Moscow).

[stryker]

Speaking of NYC, I can't find a link but a few years ago I remember a short bit in the Dallas Morning News about a proposal for NYC to bid for a Winter Olympics with Lake Placid. Ceremonies would have been at Yankee Stadium. Ice events in NYC while skiing and sliding would have been held at Lake Placid and Gore Mountain. Nothing ever came of it. With Lake Placid hosting the winter universiade I'll be curious if that's a success whether or not they look for a third Olympics in the not too distant future obviously with a larger city as an anchor.

[Nacre]

On 10/12/2021 at 3:47 PM, yoshi said:

I don't know anything about Albany, apart from it being the capital of New York state (why?)

Off topic, but many U.S. states chose smaller cities as their political centers to reduce the power of one city over the state as a whole. As a contrary example look at how much London dominates the UK, or how much Paris dominates France. Corruption was another concern - especially in particular for the state of New York, where the city government was notoriously corrupt for a long time. A central location was another positive attribute, and that was also true for planned national capitals in the USA (back when everyone lived on the Atlantic coast), Australia and Brazil.

On 10/12/2021 at 3:47 PM, yoshi said:

would it be a bit small? 

Albany is technically large enough, but it has very little tourism infrastructure.

[AustralianFan]

Game on Vancouver 2030:

 

 

[AustralianFan]

 

[AustralianFan]

Vancouver 2030 is a hard one to pick.   There appears to be significant anti-Olympics feeling in Canada especially around Beijing 2022.

But whether this translates to a majority of Vancouver and Whistler citizens not supporting Vancouver 2030 in a public survey renains to be seen.

 

[AliciasBlade]

They could just award Canada to host 2036

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[SportLightning]

I think Sapporo might be awarded for 2030 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games my guess and Salt Lake City could be awarded for 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games.

[AliciasBlade]

14 hours ago, SportLightning said:

I think Sapporo might be awarded for 2030 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games my guess and Salt Lake City could be awarded for 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games.

I could see that happening since giving SLT 2034 wouldn't hurt any sponsorships and there have been some forest fires and floods happening in British Columbia.

[SportLightning]

1 minute ago, AliciasBlade said:

I could see that happening since giving SLT 2034 wouldn't hurt any sponsorships and there have been some forest fires and floods happening in British Columbia.

I agree with that. That would be fantastic with awarding 2030 and 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games to both Sapporo and Salt Lake City at the same time like when IOC awarded 2024 and 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games to both Paris and Los Angeles.

[Chris_Mex]

4 hours ago, SportLightning said:

I agree with that. That would be fantastic with awarding 2030 and 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games to both Sapporo and Salt Lake City at the same time like when IOC awarded 2024 and 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games to both Paris and Los Angeles.

How boring does the bidding process has become that now we're excited of watching another double allocation.

[stryker]

On 12/26/2021 at 10:19 PM, Chris_Mex said:

How boring does the bidding process has become that now we're excited of watching another double allocation.

There's zero chance of any double allocation unless Sapporo's public support improves. That's not happening until we know the outcome of a public consultation in essence a referendum. It would be a PR nightmare if the IOC awarded an Olympics to Sapporo and then a referendum went against hosting. It'd be a repeat of what happened with Denver.

[AustralianFan]

From Rob at Gamesbids ……

 

[AustralianFan]

…. and from ITG

 

[SkiFreak]

I say go for it. Why not. The venues are there and still in great shape. The only things they'd need are Athletes' Villages in Vancouver and Whistler and perhaps a curling arena since 2010's was converted. As far as other infrastructure goes, key things like the the Sea to Sky hwy improvements and the Skytrain Canada Line were completed for the 2010 games. They are currently building a replacement for the Pattulo Bridge, and will be replacing the Massey Tunnel on hwy 99 which is supposed to be done in 2030 (could be accelerated due to the games [building an 8-lane tunnel to replace the current 4-lane tunnel]). The Skytrain network is currently being expanded too. Hopefully covid is gone soon so we can have some fun like in 2010.

[SportLightning]

Yes, that's true that the venues are in good shape for the 2030 bid.

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[stryker]

On 2/3/2022 at 2:44 PM, SkiFreak said:

I say go for it. Why not. The venues are there and still in great shape. The only things they'd need are Athletes' Villages in Vancouver and Whistler and perhaps a curling arena since 2010's was converted. As far as other infrastructure goes, key things like the the Sea to Sky hwy improvements and the Skytrain Canada Line were completed for the 2010 games. They are currently building a replacement for the Pattulo Bridge, and will be replacing the Massey Tunnel on hwy 99 which is supposed to be done in 2030 (could be accelerated due to the games [building an 8-lane tunnel to replace the current 4-lane tunnel]). The Skytrain network is currently being expanded too. Hopefully covid is gone soon so we can have some fun like in 2010.

Abbotsford Centre or the Langley Events Centre could easily host curling. More complicating is a speed skating oval since the Richmond Oval was completely repurposed into a community center. Calgary's oval should do just fine and it would be an opportunity to give it a much needed upgrade. If Calgary could get by with proposing to use Whistler's skim jumps in their failed 2026 bid, then surely a future Vancouver bid could propose using the oval in Calgary.

Would a bid have the public support necessary to survive a referendum? I think that's highly questionable.

 

[SkiFreak]

4 hours ago, stryker said:

Abbotsford Centre or the Langley Events Centre could easily host curling. More complicating is a speed skating oval since the Richmond Oval was completely repurposed into a community center. Calgary's oval should do just fine and it would be an opportunity to give it a much needed upgrade. If Calgary could get by with proposing to use Whistler's skim jumps in their failed 2026 bid, then surely a future Vancouver bid could propose using the oval in Calgary.

Would a bid have the public support necessary to survive a referendum? I think that's highly questionable.

 

The Richmond Oval was converted in a way to allow it to be easily converted back to a skating oval. All the ice making equipment is still in the building. They poured a layer of this special rubber before installing the basketball courts. Similar to the setup of Rogers Arena when it was shared between the Canucks and Grizzlies. They did this in case the Olympics came back to Vancouver, and it looks like they might.

The Olympic Oval here in Calgary is starting to show it's age. It was shut down from August 2020 to May 2021 - had a mechanical failure with the refrigeration system. Of course, due to covid, it was hard to get technicians here from Europe to repair it. If our speed skaters' performance isn't great in Beijing, this is why. The Athletes trained at local lakes, went to the oval in Fort St John, or just rollerbladed on the concrete at the oval while the equipment was down.

[Nacre]

I think if Vancouver hosts again the hardest challenge will be the athletes village. Vancouver is a surrounded by water much like San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, Stockholm or Copenhagen. It would be hard to find land available for such a large development anywhere near the city center, and that may hold up bidding even if the city and province and willing to host again.

[SkiFreak]

39 minutes ago, Nacre said:

I think if Vancouver hosts again the hardest challenge will be the athletes village. Vancouver is a surrounded by water much like San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, Stockholm or Copenhagen. It would be hard to find land available for such a large development anywhere near the city center, and that may hold up bidding even if the city and province and willing to host again.

They may have to consider putting the athletes' villages in neighboring communities like Richmond, Burnaby, Port Coquitlam, Squamish, etc.

[stryker]

6 hours ago, SkiFreak said:

The Richmond Oval was converted in a way to allow it to be easily converted back to a skating oval. All the ice making equipment is still in the building. They poured a layer of this special rubber before installing the basketball courts. Similar to the setup of Rogers Arena when it was shared between the Canucks and Grizzlies. They did this in case the Olympics came back to Vancouver, and it looks like they might.

The Olympic Oval here in Calgary is starting to show it's age. It was shut down from August 2020 to May 2021 - had a mechanical failure with the refrigeration system. Of course, due to covid, it was hard to get technicians here from Europe to repair it. If our speed skaters' performance isn't great in Beijing, this is why. The Athletes trained at local lakes, went to the oval in Fort St John, or just rollerbladed on the concrete at the oval while the equipment was down.

I'm aware of the current set up of the oval but the ice is currently two full size rinks not a speed skating oval. Nearly all of the seating had been removed as well so I don't see how it could be converted back into Olympic mode unless a serious gutting was done even with the ice making equipment already in place.

Sad news about the oval in Calgary

[Nacre]

The seating is pretty easy to put back, and arenas can convert from a basketball court to an ice rink in as little as one night, so going from two ice rinks to a speed skating rink should be a piece of cake. I don't think that would be a major issue for Vancouver at all, as long as the community is OK with losing their ice rink(s) from a month or so during the games. 

If British Columbia and the cities of the lower mainland really want to host the games again the venues should not be a major obstacle. The only question is whether they really want the burden of hosting again. I do think that people in the area have a very positive view of the Olympics thanks to the overall success of the last games there, much like Los Angelinos have a more favorable view of the Olympics than people in other American cities. It's possible they would vote in favor of hosting again, and if they do the IOC has to at least consider going back.

[Kenadian]

There is a piece of prime real estate just west of the 2010 Olympic Village owned by the City of Vancouver. It is currently used as a parking lot, an impound lot for the Vancouver Police Department (I think), some road salt storage and city equipment/trucks, a food growing operation, and portable housing for low income people.

 

The city has been looking for ideas on what to do with it. A possible Olympic Village site for the future? It is adjacent to the 2010 Village and it is either a similar sized or larger parcel of land than the original village. The proximity of the bridge might cause security concerns, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is earmarked for a future Olympics. The Olympic Village train station is very close, too.

 

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