Vancouver 2030

[SkiFreak]

Here's the website for Vancouver 2030:

https://www.vancouver2030.org/

Should we pursue it? Shouldn't we? A better bet than Calgary 2026.

[stryker]

It ticks all the boxes including a legacy that would cement the city as Canada's winter sports capital. One potential problem, is the money and will to bid there? B.C. didn't want a part of the 2026 WC nor support a bid from Victoria for the 2026 CWGs. If B.C. won't spend on those events, would they pony up the cash for an Olympica?

[SkiFreak]

36 minutes ago, stryker said:

It ticks all the boxes including a legacy that would cement the city as Canada's winter sports capital. One potential problem, is the money and will to bid there? B.C. didn't want a part of the 2026 WC nor support a bid from Victoria for the 2026 CWGs. If B.C. won't spend on those events, would they pony up the cash for an Olympica?

With BC fighting major forest fires now, could go broke. Vancouver was on the verge of going broke during the 1st wave of the pandemic last year. But, I believe they are in better shoes than Calgary. Calgary has been in a situation since late 2013, with no end in sight (the O&G crash and major office vacancy in the downtown core).

[stryker]

10 hours ago, SkiFreak said:

With BC fighting major forest fires now, could go broke. Vancouver was on the verge of going broke during the 1st wave of the pandemic last year. But, I believe they are in better shoes than Calgary. Calgary has been in a situation since late 2013, with no end in sight (the O&G crash and major office vacancy in the downtown core).

I had forgotten about the forest fires. If finances are that dire then it's hard to see this getting out of the starting blocks. That'd be a shame too because Vancouver is practically as ready as Salt Lake City. They have all the arenas, Calgary's oval could host speed skating, the Whistler venues would get some needed touch ups. The only hamper is the Olympic Village which can be complicated as Paris is finding out. Perhaps UBC could use some new dormitories for student housing?

[iceman530]

The fires have actually gotten worse since then too.  I think Vancouver is on the clock as a potential savior for 2030.  Hopefully the IOC is working hard on them to charm offensive their way forward

[AustralianFan]

B.C. 2030 Olympics, Paralympics bid suggests another Winter Games is within reach - 23Aug21 - The Breaker News

[Australian Kiwi]

I hope the Canadians pull through and get on this one - Salt Lake is great but it would be nice to see Vancouver again in 2030 instead of a double US Olympics. 

[stryker]

On 10/2/2021 at 9:30 AM, AustralianFan said:

B.C. 2030 Olympics, Paralympics bid suggests another Winter Games is within reach - 23Aug21 - The Breaker News

I remember this article when it came out and it has SMH. Any possible Vancouver bid should stay as far away from Furlong as possible this day in age. It's poorly written as well. No mention whatsoever of the fact that there is no government support right now for this. I've said before, if you can't find the cash to fund a WC or the CWGs how are you going to fund an Olympics. I don't buy the argument that it would be entirely private funded either.

[Nacre]

Keep in mind that politics plays a major role in decisions made in B.C. and not just money. (For example trying to block the expansion of the oil pipeline from Alberta.) Local politicians don't want to get in bed with FIFA because of FIFA's bad PR. Meanwhile even if Vancouver has the money for the Commonwealth Games they don't have the land for a new downtown stadium. And Victoria is about the size of Abilene, TX or Swindon in the UK; it's just too small for the Commonwealth Games unless they slash the number of athletes.

For the winter games Vancouver doesn't need to build a lot of new sporting venues and it would only need to build a new athletes village which would become affordable housing after the games. That is a much, much easier sell for politicians than either getting into bed with FIFA or hosting the Commonwealth Games. Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen.

Edited October 8, 2021 by Nacre

[FYI]

On 10/7/2021 at 10:33 PM, Australian Kiwi said:

I hope the Canadians pull through and get on this one - Salt Lake is great but it would be nice to see Vancouver again in 2030 instead of a double US Olympics. 

For the most part for the very international spectator, I seriously doubt that an LA-SLC or an L.A.-Vancouver would make much difference to them. And add Brisbane after either one of those line-ups, & all it'll be to them, is a tri-fecta of Anglo-Saxon, English speaking Games.

[Australian Kiwi]

On 10/9/2021 at 3:19 PM, FYI said:

For the most part for the very international spectator, I seriously doubt that an LA-SLC or an L.A.-Vancouver would make much difference to them. And add Brisbane after either one of those line-ups, & all it'll be to them, is a tri-fecta of Anglo-Saxon, English speaking Games.

As an Australian I can see a big difference. Canada is quite distinctly different to the US. However point taken re: the glut of 'new world' English speaking hosts (a bit of a repeat of Atlanta-Sydney-Salt Lake).

Is there any interest from Lake Placid? Seeing as New York City is unlikely now as an Olympic venue until at least mid century it seems like Lake Placid (perhaps cohosted with Albany) could be intriguing.

 

[Chris_Mex]

On 10/8/2021 at 11:19 PM, FYI said:

For the most part for the very international spectator, I seriously doubt that an LA-SLC or an L.A.-Vancouver would make much difference to them. And add Brisbane after either one of those line-ups, & all it'll be to them, is a tri-fecta of Anglo-Saxon, English speaking Games.

Wow, USA, USA, Australia, well, thats the most boring lineup since well....USA, Australia, USA, I keep thinking that maybe ukraine would be an smart choice, because it would attract many future bidders if they succed, barcelona, if IOC want to avoid having to decide between istanbul or madrid again in 2036, or sapporo, because IOC owes them their life in this one (also because a 2030 success, can make IOC count on japan for future summer bids, else they'll end up only with 3rd world, asian authoritarian hosts). And well for vancouver in this one, I believe it would be far better than USA, (yeah, I can tell there's difference, coming from a mexican guy), but that also could hurt SLC aspirations for an eventual 2034 bid

[Australian Kiwi]

30 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Wow, USA, USA, Australia, well, thats the most boring lineup since well....USA, Australia, USA, I keep thinking that maybe ukraine would be an smart choice, because it would attract many future bidders if they succed, barcelona, if IOC want to avoid having to decide between istanbul or madrid again in 2036, or sapporo, because IOC owes them their life in this one (also because a 2030 success, can make IOC count on japan for future summer bids, else they'll end up only with 3rd world, asian authoritarian hosts). And well for vancouver in this one, I believe it would be far better than USA, (yeah, I can tell there's difference, coming from a mexican guy), but that also could hurt SLC aspirations for an eventual 2034 bid

In fairness though - if we had less non-Anglosphere countries getting cold feet it might not be as much of the USA/Australia/Canada high rotation.

[Chris_Mex]

55 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

In fairness though - if we had less non-Anglosphere countries getting cold feet it might not be as much of the USA/Australia/Canada high rotation.

On the other hand is strange how the only democratic countries where olympics as a whole still have a good reputation is the Anglosphere countries, and thats taking into account that canada voted against a 2026 winter bid. At this point it seems to be like only USA, Australia and UK have good experiences with the games, well those, and probably korea

[Chris_Mex]

Just now, Chris_Mex said:

On the other hand is strange how the only democratic countries where olympics as a whole still have a good reputation is the Anglosphere countries, and thats taking into account that canada voted against a 2026 winter bid. At this point it seems to be like only USA, Australia and UK have good experiences with the games, well those, and probably korea

Oh, and france

[stryker]

On 10/9/2021 at 12:36 AM, Nacre said:

 

For the winter games Vancouver doesn't need to build a lot of new sporting venues and it would only need to build a new athletes village which would become affordable housing after the games. That is a much, much easier sell for politicians than either getting into bed with FIFA or hosting the Commonwealth Games. Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen.

Even so, there's no way the total costs of a CWGs would eclipse the cost of an Olympics regardless of how much is in place for Vancouver. The BC government said no to both the CWGs and the WC. Why would they then spend more money funding an Olympics?

[FYI]

On 10/11/2021 at 3:49 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

As an Australian I can see a big difference. Canada is quite distinctly different to the US. However point taken re: the glut of 'new world' English speaking hosts (a bit of a repeat of Atlanta-Sydney-Salt Lake).

Of course. I'm sure most Americans & Canadians would also agree. But I meant mostly the average non-English speaking international spectators. To them, those distinct differences don't/won't register. It's akin to when ignorant Americans lump all Latino, Asian & African cultures all as 'one'. When obviously, the differences within those cultures are as different as night & day.

On 10/11/2021 at 3:49 AM, Australian Kiwi said:

Is there any interest from Lake Placid? Seeing as New York City is unlikely now as an Olympic venue until at least mid century it seems like Lake Placid (perhaps cohosted with Albany) could be intriguing.

Lake Placid alone is way too small for a 21st century Winter Olympics. That's why when there has been any talk from them, it's always mentioned with a Montreal proposal. An Albany-anchored proposal would surely complement a Lake Placid hosting, but AFAIK, Albany has never expressed any interest.

 

[FYI]

On 10/11/2021 at 6:43 AM, Chris_Mex said:

Wow, USA, USA, Australia, well, thats the most boring lineup since well....USA, Australia, USA, And well for vancouver in this one, I believe it would be far better than USA, (yeah, I can tell there's difference, coming from a mexican guy), 

That's an interesting take you have there, considering as American myself, I would consider Australia much more distinctly different than Canada is to the U.S.

On 10/11/2021 at 6:43 AM, Chris_Mex said:

I keep thinking that maybe ukraine would be an smart choice, because it would attract many future bidders if they succed, 

Ukraine hosting a Winter Olympics is as crazy as India hosting a Summer Olympics. At this point in time, both are a no-go.

[yoshi]

I don't know anything about Albany, apart from it being the capital of New York state (why?), but would it be a bit small? If Milan Cortina works well though and having indoor and outdoor events well away from each other works, then a NYC/Lake Placid Games...now you're talking. Figure skating or ice hockey at Madison Square Garden? Iconic. 

[Chris_Mex]

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

I don't know anything about Albany, apart from it being the capital of New York state (why?), but would it be a bit small? If Milan Cortina works well though and having indoor and outdoor events well away from each other works, then a NYC/Lake Placid Games...now you're talking. Figure skating or ice hockey at Madison Square Garden? Iconic. 

I believe winter olympics would be benefited from a succesfull Beijing 2022, if that turns to work well, IOC should start encouraging bids that uses summer games legacies, like for example a Tokyo-Sapporo bid, were venues will be separed then by a hour and a half train, or a Paris-Annecy bid (If paris 2024 becomes a success, france will probably push for a winter olympics)

[FYI]

In the U.S. the state capital is not always the largest city. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of U.S. state capitals are the smaller cities within those states.

Only a handful of U.S. states are the largest cities their capitals (i.e. Atlanta, Boston, Indianapolis, Denver, Phoenix, SLC & Honolulu). Even on a national level, NYC is not the U.S. Capitol (although, it once was early on). That obviously now is Washington D.C.

[FYI]

Also, Albany wouldn’t be small at all, it’s metro population is 1.2 million, larger than Sochi’s & on par with SLC’s, for that matter.

The main obstacle would be interest. Which I don’t think Albany has expressed before. Plus, the amount of work & infrastructure it may, or may not already have for a Winter Olympics.

[Australian Kiwi]

On 10/13/2021 at 7:07 AM, FYI said:

Of course. I'm sure most Americans & Canadians would also agree. But I meant mostly the average non-English speaking international spectators. To them, those distinct differences don't/won't register. It's akin to when ignorant Americans lump all Latino, Asian & African cultures all as 'one'. When obviously, the differences within those cultures are as different as night & day.

Lake Placid alone is way too small for a 21st century Winter Olympics. That's why when there has been any talk from them, it's always mentioned with a Montreal proposal. An Albany-anchored proposal would surely complement a Lake Placid hosting, but AFAIK, Albany has never expressed any interest.

 

 

In fact --- just to throw it out there --- why not a New York City Winter Olympics? We all thought Beijing was ridiculous, but given the consideration to Stockholm-Are (which nearly happened) this could be an exciting option. Mountain venues upstate, ice venues in Manhattan. I think it would be thrilling, and would finally scratch the itch of the Big Apple not being an Olympic city.

[Australian Kiwi]

On 10/13/2021 at 9:47 AM, yoshi said:

I don't know anything about Albany, apart from it being the capital of New York state (why?), but would it be a bit small? If Milan Cortina works well though and having indoor and outdoor events well away from each other works, then a NYC/Lake Placid Games...now you're talking. Figure skating or ice hockey at Madison Square Garden? Iconic. 

Should have read ahead! You said what I was thinking.

The more I think about in this weird world of Brisbane-Gold Coast, Beijing-Zhangjiakou and Milan-Cortina (and Stockholm-Are's consideration) I think 'New York 20XX Olympic Winter Games' works (Also the naming would be convenient if promoted as 'New York' as it would be deliberately ambiguous as both host city and host state)

[iceman530]

That would be a nice one one day.  Its practically the same distance from Cortina-Milan (Manhattan-Lake Placid).  In new Olympic world, that is absolutely fair game.  I think a New York City-Lake Placid games would be a great games.  But New Yorkers would murder that with a NOlympics knife