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How would you feel

1) You've been told that you could of had a deal to autoamtically get the 2014 Commonwealth Games

2) You are the Canadian 2014 Commonwealth Games bid than find out your not

THAN you lose. Some serious bullshit going on.

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:) Remember Apple that Canada has to WIN the 2014 CWGs first...

All of a sudden Abuja's bid looks odds on favorites. It even wouldn't surprise me if NZ supports Nigeria as a thank you for having the crucial vote in allowing us to win RWC2011.

Let Halifax take the fall for this one.

Welcome to the world of sports politicking!!!

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Did Hamilton Get A Raw Deal In 2014 Commonwealth Games Bid?

It’s been revealed that Hamilton officials say they were asked and agreed 13 months ago to be Canada’s bid city for the 2014 Commonwealth Games after they lost the 2010 Games to Delhi, India.

The Halifax newspaper Chronicle Herald reports that Jagoda Pike, chairwoman of Hamilton’s 2014 bid that lost to Halifax Thursday, said Friday that Commonwealth Games Canada made the offer in November 2004.

Pike said Hamilton officials met with two Commonwealth Games Canada directors, including its president Claude Bennett, and accepted the offer, but by last March word got out that the national body might have to back out and open the process to other bidders, and in June the organization announced an open bidding process.

Pike, who also chaired Hamilton’s failed bid for the 2010 Games, is the publisher of the Hamilton Spectator, which broke the story on the offer Friday.

Pike said, “it’s a bit remarkable that it didn’t come out earlier, because our city council has known about this since March”.

She said, “obviously we were unhappy initially, as you could imagine. Then we decided for the good of the Commonwealth Games movement and for the good of Hamilton, if we wanted to try to bring the Games back again we had to refocus and get our bid going”.

But although they won the domestic bid the last time, the Chronicle Herald reports that Hamilton officials were not overconfident. Pike said, “I think we did put together a fabulous bid. We gave it our absolute best shot and obviously weren’t successful. We’re disappointed, but we wish Halifax well”.

Commonwealth Games Canada refused to release how the cities were rated, only saying there were 14 categories of competition.

The Spectator reported the categories included facilities, organizing committee, operations and “winnability” – the ability to win the international bid competition. According to the Spectator Halifax scored first in 10 of the 14 categories and second in the other four. Hamilton placed first in six categories (with two ties), second in five and third in three categories, but Pike wouldn’t confirm those figures.

She said, “the only thing I’ll tell you for sure is we have been talking about the winnability factor…Hamilton did actually score on top in that one.

“How is it that you can get the top score in winnability but not be the city to go forward?”

Pike said Hamilton will ask that question at a debriefing with the national body in January.

Fred MacGillvray, chairman of the Halifax bid committee, said he hadn’t heard of the deal involving Hamilton until he was contacted by The Chronicle Herald Friday. He said news of such a deal didn’t shake his faith in the bid process, “not a bit” he said.

“I can tell you, unequivocally, the integrity of this process this time around was beyond reproach”.

Halifax Mayor Peter Kelly said the Hamilton officials’ allegations “surprised” him and that he considered the domestic bid process an open, fair-minded system based on merit.

Donald Boulanger, spokesman for Canada Heritage, the department that oversees Sport Canada, said it’s “absolutely untrue to say that Sport Canada or the Government of Canada interfered to make sure that another city than Hamilton would be chosen”.

Commonwealth Games Canada “was in charge of the bid process and the selection of the city…all we did is strongly encourage that a domestic bid process occur. That’s all we did”.

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Now you understand my frustration?! We got robbed big time.

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Hellooooooo.

Hamilton could have NEVER believed it was going to win without contest.

Their first clue should have been many months ago when the other cities began campaigning. They should have spoke up then, and by speaking up AFTERWARDS this so called "deal" couldn't have existed.

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Read the article over again. Better yet I'll quote it for you

Hamilton officials met with two Commonwealth Games Canada directors, including its president Claude Bennett, and accepted the offer

Hamilton was Commonwealth Games Canada pick based on an agreement, therefore no domestic bid. That changed when Sport Canada intervened.

There are members in Hamilton's city council that's pushing the Mayor for a federal investigation into this matter. All Hamilton has to do is wave around the previous agreement signed by Claude Bennett on making Hamilton the official 2014 Canadian candidate.

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National bid boss favoured East Coast

By Barb Mckay

The Hamilton Spectator

(Dec 20, 2005)

The man who oversaw Canada's choice for the Commonwealth Games recommended two years ago that international sporting events be directed to the East Coast.

Eric Savard, bid director for the competition that chose Halifax over Hamilton as Canada's 2014 Games candidate, helped draft a 2003 report recommending a world class event be given to the Maritimes in the next decade to "achieve a better regional balance of sport infrastructure and legacy."

Another member of the working group that made the recommendation was Fred MacGillivray, a Halifax businessman who chaired that city's bid.

And the vice-chair of Hamilton's bid committee says he'd like to have that connection explained when Commonwealth Games Canada debriefs the city on its unsuccessful bid.

"That's one question I would have in the debriefing in January," said David Adames, Tourism Hamilton executive director. "I don't want to speculate yet."

The group's recommendation was never adopted by the federal government. But the Ottawa official who commissioned the study says it could well have influenced the bid committee.

Paul DeVillers was Canada's Secretary of State for Physical Activity and Sport when he appointed the working group that made the recommendation.

"I would expect the Commonwealth Games Committee (CGC) would take infrastructure needs into account," he said. "It's possible that was one consideration and that was the reason (Halifax) was chosen."

The federal cabinet has adopted a new policy that does not call for events to be sent to the East Coast. Parliament must still approve that policy.

MacGillivray and Savard said they were only part of the group that made the East Coast recommendation. They insisted the process was fair.

Bid director Savard referred comment to his spokesperson Lynn Gordon, who said Savard was only one of a six-person panel that chose Halifax.

"As far as we're concerned, it was a fair and open process," Gordon said.

DeVillers said he didn't believe there was a conflict of interest in having Savard and MacGillivray take part in the domestic bid process, because the strategic framework was developed for everyone to use.

"I don't feel that developing this strategy should preclude them from taking part in the bidding process," he said.

MacGillivray said he believes the proposal had nothing to do with the bid selection.

"It was very fair, easily understood," he said. "Had we not been successful, I could not have complained to the CGC."

MacGillivray said he's glad the bid was opened up to the rest of Canada after it was believed last year that Hamilton would receive the Games.

"Any city that feels it has the ability to host should be given the opportunity," he said.

Members of Hamilton's 2014 committee say they were approached more than a year ago by CGC's board, which indicated it passed a unanimous vote to make Hamilton Canada's bid at the international level, following its loss to India for the 2010 Games. An internal CGC document indicated the Hamilton bid is "quite winnable."

Last March, city officials heard rumours the bids would be opened to other cities and in June a letter confirmed that.

Canadian Heritage spokes-person Donald Boulanger said Sport Canada contacted CGC, urging them to open the process.

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National bid boss favoured East Coast

By Barb Mckay

The Hamilton Spectator

(Dec 20, 2005)

Uhh. People always make reccomendations like that.

Remember that it's not Ontario applying to be the host nation, it's Canada.

I bet Halifax gets more international votes just be being a non-Ontario city.

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Uhh. People always make reccomendations like that.

Remember that it's not Ontario applying to be the host nation, it's Canada.

I bet Halifax gets more international votes just be being a non-Ontario city.

The problem is that Eric Savard who recommended that East Coast host international events was one member who was to award the domestic Commonwealth Games bid, which Halifax won.

That's an ethical issue.

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There are strong rumours flying around town that Bob Young, owner of a Canadian football franchise in Hamilton, is talking with City Hall to build a new stadium. So we may just end up with a new stadium even without winning the bid.

Bob Young who is a millionaire was a strong ally to build a new stadium. From what I'm hearing he's proposing a $10 fee on tickets to Ivor Wynne stadium, Commonwealth Games first stadium, to build a new stadium for the next season. So I have my fingers crossed.

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BUILD IT!!! BUILD IT!! BUILD IT!!!

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Halifax springs a surprise over cost of Games

Di Ianni to ask some frank questions

The Hamilton Spectator

(Jan 24, 2006)

Halifax has taken some of the wraps off its 2014 Commonwealth Games bid and is going for the gold.

And Hamilton has some serious questions about how bid business plans were assessed.

Fred MacGillivray, Halifax's bid boss now says the Games will cost somewhere between $750 and $785 million -- at least $250 million more than the $500 million the port city had said it would spend.

Halifax won the right to be Canada's bid for the Games over Hamilton, Ottawa and York Region in December.

The Nova Scotia bid was rated No. 1 for finance in a confidential 2014 Commonwealth Games domestic bid assessment rankings.

Hamilton -- with its $835 million estimate for the cost of the Games -- ranked second.

David Adames, Hamilton bid committee vice-chair and Tourism Hamilton executive director, says the city has some questions about how its business plan was handled.

It will ask in a Commonwealth debriefing for the bidders next month.

"In light of the last couple of days -- with this information (about Halifax's cost estimate) coming out about the budget, we'll definitely have that question."

Adames said the Hamilton wants to know "exactly how the business plans were evaluated.

"We want to walk through how they went through the business plan" for all four cities' bids, he said.

Hamilton Mayor Larry Di Ianni said yesterday the city's bid committee was a little surprised and "talked about it a lot that Halifax seemed to come in with a number that was much lower than ours.

"I wondered how they could pull it off at such a low number."

Di Ianni expects there will be a "full and frank discussion" of the bidding process at the debriefing.

The mayor has already said he wants to know why Hamilton was ranked tops to win the Games internationally but lost out to Halifax which came second in that category.

No date has been set for that meeting.

"Our issue is not with Halifax," Di Ianni said. "(It) is with the process and how the process led to the decision but this is simply more of an indication that maybe the process was not as diligent as we'd been led to believe it might have been."

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Officials fielding queries on Games bid

'It's not about sour grapes. The questions are about process'

By Marissa Nelson

The Hamilton Spectator

(Feb 22, 2006)

Representatives who fought for Hamilton's chance to bid on the 2014 Commonwealth Games will have their chance today to ask tough questions about why this city lost to Halifax.

Commonwealth Games Canada representatives will meet with Hamilton's bid committee at the Sheraton Hotel as part of a debriefing process.

David Adames, one of the vice-chairs of Hamilton's 2014 Commonwealth Games bid committee and the executive director of Tourism Hamilton, said the meeting isn't about second guessing.

"It's not about questioning the decision or having sour grapes. The decision is made. The questions are about process," Adames said.

"It's important we learn for each bid. The community invested a lot both financially and in terms of community spirit."

Halifax won the right to be Canada's bid for the Games over Hamilton, Ottawa and York Region in December.

Hamilton's bid team, including Mayor Larry Di Ianni, will meet with Commonwealth Games representatives from 10 a.m. to 12:30 p.m.

Lynn Gordon, spokesperson for the Canadian Games representative, said Games officials wouldn't be making any comments to the media.

So what questions still linger about the Games and Hamilton's loss? Here are some:

1) Was Hamilton promised the Games?

David Adames, one of the vice-chairs of Hamilton's 2014 Commonwealth Games bid committee, said the city was approached in late 2004 by Claude Bennett, Commonwealth Games Canada president.

Adames said Bennett indicated that CGC's board had passed a unanimous resolution to name Hamilton as Canada's representative and asked the city if it would be interested in running again after its loss to India for the 2010 Games.

Hamilton officials were so confident that the CGC's decision was final that airline tickets were booked for several delegates to attend the Commonwealth Games international general assembly in Melbourne, Australia, in April 2005.

But by late March, city officials were hearing rumours that the CGC was considering reopening the process to other bidders.

The trip to Australia was cancelled.

It wasn't until June that the city was formally told by letter that instead of unilaterally naming Hamilton, the CGC had decided to hold an open competitive bidding process.

The decision was made after discussions between the CGC and other agencies, including Sport Canada, which oversees the hosting of international sporting events in this country.

2) What weight was given to each city's "winnability?"

Hamilton came first in the "winnability" category. Hamilton's bid team was told "winnability" was a significant category. If the whole point is to win the international bid, why wouldn't the committee pick the Canadian city that has the best chance of winning the ultimate goal?

3) What criteria were used to rank Halifax's finances?

The original Halifax budget -- a category Halifax ranked first in -- came in at $500 million. Weeks after winning the bid, the Halifax team upped its budget by more than $200 million. City officials were confused by how Halifax could host the Games for so much less than what Hamilton had estimated -- $835 million.

4) How much did a federal policy to bring an international sports event to the east coast play into the decision to pick Halifax over Hamilton?

Eric Savard, bid director for the competition that chose Halifax over Hamilton as Canada's 2014 Games candidate, helped draft a 2003 report recommending a world class event be given to the Maritimes in the next decade to "achieve a better regional balance of sport infrastructure and legacy."

The group's recommendation was never adopted by the federal government but the Ottawa official who commissioned the study says it could well have influenced the bid committee.

5) What changes will occur to ensure there is a more open and transparent process next time?

City officials have had many questions about the process since losing the bid. The bid process was shrouded in secrecy, as Games officials ordered bid cities to keep details under wraps, fearing releasing any information would tip their hand to future international competitors. Adames said he hopes to learn from the experience and today's meeting, but added there could be valuable learning on both sides of the table.

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Why doesn't Hamilton bid for the 2011 World Athletics Championships.

I am aware that Edmonton just hosted in 2001, but so did Seville just host in 1999, and that didn't stop Valencia bidding for 2009 and now 2011.

The city has a brand new stadium on offer (the one planned for the 2010/14 commonwealth games) . The existing capacity plan: 42,000 is adequate for a world championship, but the capacity could be increased to 60,000 (like Edmonton's commonwealth stadium) to add spice to the bid.

A Hamilton world athletics championship bid would be a good way the city could pick itslef up after the 2 CG bid losses.

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This stadium would be suitable for the world championships. They increase the size/ capacity of the yellow seating sections, to bring the capacity up to 50-60,000.

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Hamilton could repeatedly bid for the world athletics championships- 2011, 2013, 2015.

Japan will be hosting after 16 years (Tokyo 91- Osaka 07), Germany hosting after 16 years (Stuttgart 93- Berlin 2009), so 2010+ who knows Canada could be givne the thumbs up again, especially if other countries (eg USA) are not interested in bidding/ hosting

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Don't stop Games bids, city told

But Di Ianni says Hamilton will have to assess the risks: 'We've been bitten twice'

By Peter Van Harten

The Hamilton Spectator

(Feb 23, 2006)

Officials of Commonwealth Games Canada, grilled for 2 1/2 hours yesterday about why Hamilton lost out to Halifax in bidding for the 2014 Commonwealth Games, say they want the city to bid for future games.

But Mayor Larry Di Ianni said council will have to decide whether Hamilton is willing to risk it.

"You know the old adage, once bitten twice shy. Well, we have been bitten twice," he said.

Both the mayor and Thomas Jones, chief executive officer of Commonwealth Games Canada (CGC), said that there were "frank" and "productive" discussions about Hamilton's losing bid.

That's "diplomatic language," the mayor said.

Seven members of Hamilton's bid committee met with three officials from CGC for a debriefing on the city's bid at the Sheraton Hotel yesterday.

Hamilton's loss to Halifax in December was a surprise upset for the city.

City officials felt they had the upper hand over the three other Canadian bidders, especially after being selected Canada's choice for the 2010 Games bid later awarded to New Delhi, India, and after being promised an uncontested bid by Commonwealth Games Canada for 2014.

Hamilton officials say they will make a full report to their own Games bid committee and council in the days ahead, but it was clear they were less than satisfied after yesterday's debriefing session.

Di Ianni said they were satisfied Hamilton got a "fair hearing" yesterday and satisfied all the bids had been assessed as "independently as possible."

But the bid review process that decided on Halifax, "had a fair amount of subjectivity built into the scoring process," the mayor said.

Both Hamilton and CGC officials said a lot of time and questioning yesterday was spent on the 14 scoring categories and weightings assigned to each one.

The specific weighting of the various scoring categories was not disclosed to bidders in advance so they would treat each category equally and not just those with the highest scoring potential, Hamilton bid committee members were told yesterday. Hamilton bid committee vice-chair David Adames said the city bid might have been handled differently if the city had been aware of the weightings and that there were sub-categories within the categories.

Hamilton was told, however, at the outset that international winnability for the 2014 Games was most important, said Adames.

The city made that a major focus in its bid.

But winnability turned out to be worth only 10 per cent of the total score.

Hamilton came first in the "winnability" category for being able to trump Glasgow, Scotland and Abuja, Nigeria, in the upcoming international bidding.

But "the definition of winnability wasn't clearly spelled out, as we learned today," said the mayor.

"It clearly meant some things but it was defined differently by the (CGC) committee."

Di Ianni said Hamilton was hurt because there were bids from Hamilton, Ottawa and York Region in Ontario but only the Halifax bid from the Maritimes.

That meant not all bidders ended up, "with the same level of support from their provincial government."

Jones of CGC said it was clear that changes would have to be made in the confidentiality aspect of bids in future because of the strong argument that was made by the mayor and Hamilton officials at yesterday's debriefing.

"The sharing of information to a degree that is more comfortable for the community in which that support is coming from is something all bid committees will look at," Jones explained.

Commonwealth Games Canada insisted on bid confidentiality so as not to give Glasgow and Abuja an advantage in the international bidding.

Hamilton bid officials said that meant they couldn't generate as much enthusiasm about the bid in Hamilton.

Hamilton did, however, report its Games budget and the costs facing its taxpayers.

But Adames said it is clear now that Halifax submitted a much larger budget figure than initially reported to its taxpayers and the larger amount was only disclosed after the bid decision.

Jones declined to say after the debriefing yesterday whether Halifax -- which scored first in the financing and administration and government relations categories -- had in fact submitted different figures in its bid than were outlined to its own residents.

"We have learned there needs to be a balance between confidentiality of the bid process to respect our chances internationally but at the same time there is a need for the local communities to have a level of information and comfort," he said.

Hamilton Games committee vice-chair Roger Trull said the group made CGC aware of how disappointed Hamilton felt about being initially promised an uncontested bid opportunity but "didn't dwell on it" at the debriefing.

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I think we will see Hamilton going for a big international bid soon. Hamilton City Hall DESPERATELY wants a new stadium and the current owner of the Tiger Cats (Hamilton's CFL franchise owner) is begging the city and province for a new stadium as well. Since our current stadium Ivor Wynne Stadium is over 75 years old and should have retired 30 years ago.

I know a year or two ago the city was pondering on a Youth Commonwealth Games but backed out to support a Caribbean island. But that’s just baby stuff.

The city needs to bid on stuff that will require a new stadium to be built. Stuff like Pan Ams Games and World Athletics Championships.

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Di Ianni said Hamilton was hurt because there were bids from Hamilton, Ottawa and York Region in Ontario but only the Halifax bid from the Maritimes.

That meant not all bidders ended up, "with the same level of support from their provincial government."

Does this mean that in the future there will be only 1 Ontario bid?

If Halifax loses 2014, then for 2018 they could be a mini-competition to see which city from Ontario puts forward for the 2018 commonwealth games.

There could be a provincial race between Hamilton, Ottawa, London, and various suburbs of Toronto (eg. Mississauga, Brampton, Richmond Hill, Markham, York region) to see which city/ suburb is put forward as the "Ontario bid."

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We've been screwed by CGF for 2010 because of geopolitics. And now we've been been screwed by Commonwealth Games Canada. The boss had the balls to pick Halifax to represent Canada's bid! Don't take me the wrong way. Halifax is a great place to hold special events. My question is can they control the economics? Can they facilitate the large numbers? I'm just hoping Singapore or an African country steps up to the plate. Not likely someone would. Like I said, the Hammer has been screwed. Big Time. Doesn't seem right.
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If Delhi's preparations for the 2010 CG is as shaky as that news piece claims to be the case, then could Hamilton be chosen as the alternate host?
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I remember about a year ago New Delhi was getting shaky because at the time the government didn't want to fund the games so during that time Hamilton city officials was saying Hamilton can be prepared if New Delhi backs out.

But if that happens now it only gives Hamilton 4 years to prepare which will be tight for the city to build a new stadium on time.

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Bidding for Games left 'sour taste'

City politicians call for independent, formal review of complex Commonwealth Games bid process

By Peter Van Harten

The Hamilton Spectator

(Apr 19, 2006)

Upset Hamilton politicians want an independent, formal review of the bidding process that lost the city its hopes last year of hosting the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

Councillors say the bid judging by Commonwealth Games Canada (CGC) was unfair and left a "sour taste" in Hamilton and they wanted to make sure no other Canadian city ever faced a similar ordeal.

Members of Hamilton's planning and economic development committee yesterday endorsed a report which strongly condemned the CGC bidding process for its excessive complexity, lack of clarity and failure to meet transparency and equity requirements.

The report, which now goes to council, calls for a formal review by the federal Sport Canada body which funds Commonwealth Games Canada.

The councillors also want Hamilton's bid officials to meet with Ontario's Minister of Health Promotion to outline their concerns about the bid judging and the need for a provincial sport hosting policy.

Hamilton was seen as a strong favourite -- and a shoo-in by many -- to win Canada's bid to try for the international Commonwealth Games after winning the national games 2010 bid in 2002 before ultimately losing out to India in the international bidding

The city's most recent bid cost $425,000 with community contributions providing $120,000.

But last Dec. 15, Commonwealth Games Canada awarded the domestic bid to Halifax over bids by Hamilton, Ottawa and York Region.

Commonwealth Games Canada spokesperson Lynn Gordon, said it would not comment on Hamilton's request for a review from Sport Canada.

CGC was "comfortable" with its bid review process and the outcome debriefing it had provided to Hamilton on Feb. 22 outlining the results and judging.

Sport Canada spokesperson Dominique Collin said it also could not comment because it had not yet received Hamilton's request.

David Adames, executive director of Tourism Hamilton and a vice-chair of Hamilton's bid committee, told councillors yesterday there was a real "disconnect" between the Commonwealth bid review specialists who indicated what was required in the bids and the bid review committee picking the winner.

There were no weightings revealed to the bidders for the 14 judging categories and 121 sub-categories at the outset of the process, he said.

The ability to win an international Commonwealth bid was cited as a crucial factor but that category turned out to be worth only 10 per cent of the marks, and others requiring a lot of detailed information were worth even less, said Adames.

An analysis of the judging prepared for yesterday's report said the failure to provide weighting factors to bidders, suggested that it "significantly increased the chance that a city could have inadvertently been alerted to a heavily weighted area through casual conversations with members of the BRC (Bid Review Committee) or staff attached to it."

Adames also told the councillors Hamilton was disadvantaged with three Ontario cities bidding while Halifax could rely on strong government support in its bid from the various Maritime provinces.

Councillor Bill Kelly who, along with Adames, cited the "sour taste" left in Hamilton said it was obvious politicking played a major role in winning a bid.

He said it was a clear "conflict" that CGC bid director Eric Savard had previously c0-authored a report saying a major sport event should go to the Maritimes.

Perhaps it was time for Hamilton to "get down in the mud" using lobbyists and political insiders to win bids instead of playing by the rules if it was going to continue bidding for sport events.

"We played by the rules and the rules got turned against us," he said.

Kelly said it appeared Halifax was already backing off from its financial bid commitments and the trick was to promise anything because a judging committee never took back a bid decision.

Councillor Bob Bratina pointed a finger of blame at bid co-chair and former Hamilton Spectator publisher Jagoda Pike who he said did not even live in Hamilton and had not presented a "strong voice" championing the bid.

Councillor Terry Whitehead disagreed, however, and said Pike had also co-chaired the national 2010 bid which Hamilton won and which impressed the international judges so much that the city was deemed a backup host if India couldn't deliver.

The bidding process was different this time, the numbers were changed and the process was not as transparent, he said.

Adames said Hamilton became aware of the previous report by CGC's Savard during the process, but chose not to raise the issue because Hamilton's bid committee did not want to "change its values."

Hamilton's bid committee did not want the CGC decision reversed but wanted to ensure the same process was not used again, or by other sports organizations, he said.

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If I was from Hamilton, I'd be quite hacked off as well at the Halifax decision, especially since the post mortem practically revealed that Halifax was pretty much gonna win from day 1, no matter what.

But .....Hamilton now needs to move on and forget about this ordeal. Firstly, they could be in with a chance of 2018, if Abuja or Glasgow wins.

Secondly- they to forget about the commonwealth games for a few years no and in the meantime bid for other events, for example world athletics championships, Pan Americans, world gymnastics championships etc. Theres so many other tournaments to bid for.

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If I was from Hamilton, I'd be quite hacked off as well at the Halifax decision, especially since the post mortem practically revealed that Halifax was pretty much gonna win from day 1, no matter what.

But .....Hamilton now needs to move on and forget about this ordeal. Firstly, they could be in with a chance of 2018, if Abuja or Glasgow wins.

Secondly- they to forget about the commonwealth games for a few years no and in the meantime bid for other events, for example world athletics championships, Pan Americans, world gymnastics championships etc. Theres so many other tournaments to bid for.

well as far as Hamilton goes and the bitter taste. it is two or three fold. First they beat Halifax in the domestic bid in 2002.Second hamilton is then beaten New Delhi the next year. The to add injury to insult the very city they beat in 2002 wins over them in the domestic bid of 2005. Those are very bitter pills to swallow.

I think you are right in regards to other games. The commonwealth games have little value as far as TV as the tv rights for India were a little over $200.000 us for the manchester games, $ 600.000 us was asked for but but probably not received by the 2006 committtee in the eleventh hour. The Tv rights for the CWG's in manchester for south africa were about the price of a Cheap Hyundai Excel at $ 12,000 dollars us.

The Pan Am games atleast have interest from a centre like buffalo or the midwest for a Hamilton with US atheltes in a pan am games. The time zones differences make the TV good for all your nations taking part in the americas as opposed to the commonwealth which is spread over all times zones around the globe.

The population of england and nigeria combined is within a days drive of hamilton with the united states teams on the field. The spectators for a canadain commowealth games have to basically come from canada or 1500 to 3000 miles minimum away with an airflight to the games.Much more potiential for a canadain city hosting a Pan Am games. There may be a smaller tv audience without India but who in india is going to get up at 3 am to watch the CWG's. no one does in Canada for australia

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