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The Commonwealth Games: Is The End In Sight?


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What is it that's so difficult for NZ, don't you have the venues? 1990 isn't that long ago and you've also got a blank canvas city in Christchurch where you can try anything. You don't even need the compelling story, the CGF would bite your hand off if you gave the tiniest signal. Birmingham came in at under £1b so surely you don't go by Daniel Andrews' figures for costs...

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11 hours ago, yoshi said:

What is it that's so difficult for NZ, don't you have the venues? 1990 isn't that long ago and you've also got a blank canvas city in Christchurch where you can try anything. You don't even need the compelling story, the CGF would bite your hand off if you gave the tiniest signal. Birmingham came in at under £1b so surely you don't go by Daniel Andrews' figures for costs...

So that's about $2b in our worthless currency tied to $US. 

The political landscape in NZ is about to swing to the Right so much that it will make your Sunak lead govt look Left. They are not interested in money wasting events. Thanks to neo socialist policies of the last six years...NZ is broke!...and divided. :(

1990 WAS a long time ago in scale...It was also the last feasible original 9 Core Sports games. Victoria BC's 1994 games were considered at the time too small and KL98 would welcome in the mega games era. Manchester 02 was considered the best games until 2022. Melbourne 06 was stupendously over the top and this set up New Delhi 2010 for an epic fail. Glasgow 14 and Gold Coast 18 tried to show an economical way forward but the cost for any city to host alone proved too great when Durban couldn't get support from the SA government.

This will matter for New Zealand...As even in 1990, Auckland had to ask central govt for help and the then Labour govt reluctantly provided enough for the games to get by...hence the ramshackle closing ceremony.

My opinion? Walk away now NZ, Victoria Region and Alberta has proved it.

 

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45 minutes ago, Alexjc said:

So that's about $2b in our worthless currency tied to $US. 

I didn't know you had a currency problem...

The political landscape in NZ is about to swing to the Right so much that it will make your Sunak lead govt look Left. They are not interested in money wasting events. Thanks to neo socialist policies of the last six years...NZ is broke!...and divided. :(

?! Is NZ going full Trump?

1990 WAS a long time ago in scale...It was also the last feasible original 9 Core Sports games. Victoria BC's 1994 games were considered at the time too small and KL98 would welcome in the mega games era. Manchester 02 was considered the best games until 2022. Melbourne 06 was stupendously over the top and this set up New Delhi 2010 for an epic fail. Glasgow 14 and Gold Coast 18 tried to show an economical way forward but the cost for any city to host alone proved too great when Durban couldn't get support from the SA government.

I get a sense a large part of the Commonwealth Games problem is rooted in Melbourne's desperation to outdo Sydney and tell the IOC "have a look at what you could've won" in 06. But at the same time the Glasgow -GC-Brum swing surely brought that down a bit. The CGF should've helped Durban though instead of dumping them. Both for the first games in Africa and to preserve UK and Australia for when they're more needed. 

This will matter for New Zealand...As even in 1990, Auckland had to ask central govt for help and the then Labour govt reluctantly provided enough for the games to get by...hence the ramshackle closing ceremony.

I didn't know that. But I'd have thought Birmingham at least would've made a profit, especially when you throw in a lot of reputation improvement that the city got, and deserved. 

My opinion? Walk away now NZ, Victoria Region and Alberta has proved it.

What does a Commonwealth Games that you'd want NZ to host look like? Being on this board you're obviously not someone who's just opposed to international events full stop - would even something like 2018/22 be too big for NZ?

It's easier to respond within the bits of a quote :)

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5 hours ago, yoshi said:

It's easier to respond within the bits of a quote :)

The NZ Dollar is jokingly referred to as the "Pacific Paso"...it's utter crap...all that wealth undone by Jacinda's Junta of neo socialist money printers!

At the moment just buying a trolley full of groceries is a luxury...Food prices are horrific, not to mention fuel prices. 

We genuinely can't afford frivolous spending on sports events when infrastructure is falling apart around us.

NZ is about to live through the 1990s long depression again...it sucked back then, and will again.

 

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17 hours ago, yoshi said:

You're making it sound like Argentina's currency & inflation problem rn...why is it so bad? I mean everywhere has some level of inflation but are NZ in hyperinflation...

NZ has to import everything...

Inflation is falling...but very slowly and everyday items are still expensive.

We are now in election mode and infrastructure is front and centre...Yes there are plans for a future sports event hosting in NZ, but needs to be chosen wisely.

Commonwealth Games isn't a sound idea...But a potential FIFA WC bid with Australia is...

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On 8/11/2023 at 7:30 AM, Alexjc said:

I think we are going to see the NZOC either quietly drop the 2034 proposal or propose a much-scaled back Games. The cost is horrific for what is a carnival event.

As someone who has lived through the CWGs glory years and it's fall to insignificance...Also watching NZ's last two realistic chances to host (2006 and 2018) fizzle out because of no real plan and objectives. A shame really because 2018 was handed to NZ on a plate...Gold Coast would have withdrawn it's bid.

Honestly, I cannot see the CWGs in the nation's event planning up to 2042. Easier for it to host the World Track and Field Championships. There was a proposal to host an APEC regional games many years ago...

NZ has a World Cup to cohost in 2034! Its going to need to bring more to the table than Eden Park. Will the new Chch stadium hold the minimum 40,000?

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And now only a bit more than a year since the CWG, and Birmingham declares itself in bankruptcy....really feels like more nails in the CWG's coffin. :unsure:

Councils in England in crisis as Birmingham ‘declares itself bankrupt’

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/councils-in-england-in-crisis-as-birmingham-declares-itself-bankrupt.

 

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33 minutes ago, Rob2012 said:

Zero connection.

Although an ex adviser to the council is saying it was a mistake.   Not the cause of the bankruptcy but a risk too far for a council under financial pressure.    Regardless of opinion on the 2022 games being a factor it confirms that they won't be the saviour for 2026.   Indeed there may be questions over the European Championships if they're reliant on council funding.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66724469

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6 minutes ago, Brekkie Boy said:

Not the cause of the bankruptcy but a risk too far for a council under financial pressure.

Maybe, but the bankruptcy would've happened without the Games. At worst you could say they were a distraction when there were more serious issues to be dealt with.

And yes, obviously Brum coming in as a replacement for 2026 is now firmly off the menu (I don't know if was ever seriously on it).

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It's inevitable that the Commonwealth Games will be blamed, at least in some quarters, for Birmingham City Council's financial problems now and it will not help the search for new hosts going forward. But Birmingham is by no means an isolated case. Councils up and down the country have been struggling with their finances for years. While others have already gone down that road, the miracle is many more haven't so far. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if more do in the coming months.

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13 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Yeah, you can feel the solemn tone here. 

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"It'll be a pity, but I honestly think it is coming to an end," he said.

"[I say that] Just because of the professionals at the very, very top of sport - the pressure at the very, very top of sport is immense," he told BBC Radio Jersey's Sport Matters podcast.

"At the World Swimming Championships in Doha, masses of the world's best swimmers are not there because there's an Olympics this year.

"They're happy to miss the World Championships because they can't afford to miss the Olympics, so there's already a pecking order within the sport.

"The Commonwealth Games is way down the shopping list for those people."

What else can be said really? It seems the world grew too large for the Commies. It doesn't help that these games also have the Britsh Colonial Baggage included, which is another point that is not only hurting the multi-sport event as time goes on. 

But there is also another point here: how much the olympic gold actually ofuscate everything else, it's glitter so shiny that even a sport's world champioships becomes empty. You have to wonder, is it going to cast a shadow over more multi-sport events too? I can see the Francophonie Games getting a Commonwealthic realization, if some current political shifts in Africa mantain themselves, or France becomes nastier in it's politics with the people from and descended from their former colonial territories (and the current ones as well). Or it could just happen by osmosis, after all, if it's not the Olympics, or something linked to it like most continental games (who could also be in trouble themselves for the same reason), does it matter in terms of multi-sport events?

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The CGF have asked Malaysia as a last resort to host the failing event.

They will most likely say no as we are only two years away. 

This SHOULD be the cue for the Commonwealth Games Federation to finally call it a day for the FULL VERSION of the games...And move up the Youth CWGs as its focus.

That version seems for in line to what the Commonwealth should be about...global youth development.

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