FYI Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 The real thing, though, is that the IOC needs to worry about finding a 2030 host first, before they can even begin worrying about 2034. They don't have the luxury anymore of saying "well, L.A. is hosting 2028, so SLC 2030 will be too soon after that". Let's also remember how close SLC came to getting the 1998 Winter Games, despite Atlanta already slated for 1996. They lost to Nagano by a mere four votes. And that was at a time when the IOC actually had many choice to choose from. Not so much today, & that's particularly true for the Winter Games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 hours ago, stryker said: Let me be clear. A double award of Salt Lake City and Vancouver is a long shot. Given the IOC's new process and with Salt Lake City already engaging with the IOC, I would expect the IOC will try to move quickly as they did with Brisbane. Most recent news about a possible Vancouver hid was a formal bid could be as much as a year off. I don't think the IOC will wait that long if SLC is ready to get serious now. Still doesn't solve the sponsorship money issue though. In an era of diminishing availability of quality hosts, the IOC have shown in 2017 they will not hestitate to act decisively to lock in two high quality successive Hosts (Paris 2024 & LA 2028) rather than risk one of them dropping out 4 years down the road due to changing circumstances such as a slump in public support. Right now, we are still in that era for both the 2030 and 2034 Games. A unique situation re 2030/2034 is developing as we speak - Sapporo’s chances are fading fast from a catastrophic slump in support from the Japanese people, Vancouver 2.0 enjoys majority public support right now and SLC 2030 has a big sponsorship problem. What the IOC did in 2017 showed that in uncertain times, double awarding of Hosts is an important strategic option that the IOC now have up their sleeve to use when required for the continuity and survival of the Olympic Games. FIFA is another world sport governing body one who use it when required as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 6 hours ago, AustralianFan said: In an era of diminishing availability of quality hosts, the IOC have shown in 2017 they will not hestitate to act decisively to lock in two high quality successive Hosts (Paris 2024 & LA 2028) rather than risk one of them dropping out 4 years down the road due to changing circumstances such as a slump in public support. Right now, we are still in that era for both the 2030 and 2034 Games. A unique situation re 2030/2034 is developing as we speak - Sapporo’s chances are fading fast from a catastrophic slump in support from the Japanese people, Vancouver 2.0 enjoys majority public support right now and SLC 2030 has a big sponsorship problem. What the IOC did in 2017 showed that in uncertain times, double awarding of Hosts is an important strategic option that the IOC now have up their sleeve to use when required for the continuity and survival of the Olympic Games. FIFA is another world sport governing body one who use it when required as well. Vancouver has some hoops to jump through before it can be considered for either 2030 or 2034. The poll showing 77% public support was a very small sample size. It reminded me of the surveys the Democrats conducted in Pennsylvania showing Biden with 15 point lead prior to the election. A poll with more recipients and from a wider representation is necessary to gain a more accurate view of what the public support is for another bid The other issue is money. B.C. passed on Vancouver as a 2026 World Cup venue and Victoria as a potential 2026 CWG host. If you can't find the cash for a WC or CWG how are you going to come up with the cash and government support for an Olympics which will require significantly more capital. Don't forget the forest fires as well which are sapping public funds. Vancouver had also been on record stating a regional bid is at least a year away. 2030 is a major problem for the IOC. SLC is ideal but the IOC will have to make some financial concessions for that to happen. There are no other realistic options at this time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Hightowerio86 said: The thing is that the IOC will think that 2030 will be too soon after LA 2028 so I think that they will come to an agreement that Salt Lake will host in 2034. Exactly. There will be "Olympic fatigue" in the US between 2028 and 2030. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 4 hours ago, stryker said: Vancouver has some hoops to jump through before it can be considered for either 2030 or 2034. The poll showing 77% public support was a very small sample size. It reminded me of the surveys the Democrats conducted in Pennsylvania showing Biden with 15 point lead prior to the election. A poll with more recipients and from a wider representation is necessary to gain a more accurate view of what the public support is for another bid The other issue is money. B.C. passed on Vancouver as a 2026 World Cup venue and Victoria as a potential 2026 CWG host. If you can't find the cash for a WC or CWG how are you going to come up with the cash and government support for an Olympics which will require significantly more capital. Don't forget the forest fires as well which are sapping public funds. Vancouver had also been on record stating a regional bid is at least a year away. 2030 is a major problem for the IOC. SLC is ideal but the IOC will have to make some financial concessions for that to happen. There are no other realistic options at this time Actually the poll i was looking at was this from Inside the Games in May which was not as high as the one you mentioned so a different one: “Poll suggests slight public support for potential Vancouver 2030 Winter Olympics - May 8, 2021 - Inside the Games “An independent poll has found public support for a potential Vancouver 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games stands at 55 per cent, rising to 77 per cent should public money not be required.” “The poll has been published by Insights West, a marketing research firm based in Western Canada. The online study was conducted from April 28 to 30, with a sample of 883 residents across British Columbia”. “Support viewed as higher in the City of Vancouver where 60 per cent of respondents are seen as supportive, compared to between 48 per cent and 57 per cent in other areas.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 14 hours ago, AustralianFan said: Actually the poll i was looking at was this from Inside the Games in May which was not as high as the one you mentioned so a different one: “Poll suggests slight public support for potential Vancouver 2030 Winter Olympics - May 8, 2021 - Inside the Games “An independent poll has found public support for a potential Vancouver 2030 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games stands at 55 per cent, rising to 77 per cent should public money not be required.” “The poll has been published by Insights West, a marketing research firm based in Western Canada. The online study was conducted from April 28 to 30, with a sample of 883 residents across British Columbia”. “Support viewed as higher in the City of Vancouver where 60 per cent of respondents are seen as supportive, compared to between 48 per cent and 57 per cent in other areas.” This was the poll I was referring to. I remembered 77% from somewhere. That's a small sample size. More polling is needed to get a more accurate picture of what type of support a Vancouver bid would have. Also remember that the 2010 bid did have to pass a referendum which it did. The IOC and Olympic bids have a rather long losing streak when it comes to referendums. Any future Vancouver bid could face a referendum again. Of note though about Insights West, they correctly predicted a Donald Trump victory in the 2016 elections so they have some credibility IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 Salt Lake City Olympic bid delegation set to visit IOC headquarters in November - 6Oct21 - Gamesbids.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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baron-pierreIV Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 /\/\ Duh! Of course! What does the ORIGINAL post even mean?? Of course the existing venues COMPRISE the value of the whole bid! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Will Salt Lake need new Olympic venues? Organizers weigh in - 6Oct21 - Salt Lake City Tribune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 16 hours ago, AustralianFan said: Will Salt Lake need new Olympic venues? Organizers weigh in - 6Oct21 - Salt Lake City Tribune Bit of a misleading headline. Salt Lake City does not require any new venues. They have everything. The question becomes how much needs to be spent on upkeep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, stryker said: Bit of a misleading headline. Salt Lake City does not require any new venues. They have everything. The question becomes how much needs to be spent on upkeep. I don't think it's misleading at all. You're not reading it right. The article & the way it's worded are for the possible No-Olympix people and their supporters who will shout that "new contruction again will be required" for another round of hosting. The article DIRECTLY addresses that -- including apparently Univ. of Utah's dorms which it seems are now enough to host 3,000+ athletes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Salt Lake City 2002 Cauldron Re-built and Moved from South to West Side of Rice-Eccles Stadium SALT LAKE CITY 2002: UTAH COMPANY CELEBRATES OPENING OF OLYMPIC AND PARALYMPIC CAULDRON PLAZA (VIDEO BY KLS NEWS) - 1 Nov21 - Architecture of the Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 An inside story of how Salt Lake City's 2002 Olympic cauldron came to be - 30Oct21 - Deseret News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 I wonder if a potential Salt Lake Olympics might use LaVell Edwards Stadium for one of the ceremonies while Rice-Eccles Stadium hosts the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, stryker said: I wonder if a potential Salt Lake Olympics might use LaVell Edwards Stadium for one of the ceremonies while Rice-Eccles Stadium hosts the other. It’s certainly possible for the ceremonies to be at Lavell Stadium. I think though having just spent all that money completely stripping down, reinventing and rebuilding the 2002 Cauldron and a new Olympic plaza around it at it’s new west side location, I think the spiritual home of the Winter Olympics will remain at Rice-Eccles Stadium in a 2030 or 2034 Games homecoming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, stryker said: I wonder if a potential Salt Lake Olympics might use LaVell Edwards Stadium for one of the ceremonies while Rice-Eccles Stadium hosts the other. Why would they even consider that? Why re-invent the wheel each time? And even in 2002, Rice-Eccles was also the Paralympic ceremonies venue. I really fail to see how this can even be considered?? Are you suffering from the Tony Estanguet Syndrome -- proposing changes, etc., just for the sake of putting forward something "new" without thinking through the realities and consequences of such proposals -- to appear as an "original thinker" -- when there is really nothing NEW under the sun?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 8 hours ago, stryker said: I wonder if a potential Salt Lake Olympics might use LaVell Edwards Stadium for one of the ceremonies while Rice-Eccles Stadium hosts the other. What baron said.. the Olympic village in 2002 was on the University of Utah campus, so it made perfect sense to have the ceremonies there. Seems like more trouble than it's worth to have to transport everyone down to Provo just so they can be a part of the action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FYI Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 11/1/2021 at 1:09 PM, baron-pierreIV said: Are you suffering from the Tony Estanguet Syndrome -- TES 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 Here is the sparkling Rice-Eccles Stadium. Posted on twitter by Populous, the Olympic/Stadium venue design firm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 USOPC says “tremendous progress” has been made towards hosting Salt Lake City Winter Olympics as early as 2030 - 18Dec21 - Gamesbids.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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