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16 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-25/should-america-boycott-china-s-2022-winter-olympics

Could we see a rival games if a large boycott happens. Feels very unlikely.

No.  This is a media-driven world.  If a country like the United States boycotts, NBC will have little interest in putting together some sort of rival event on almost no notice.  Especially for a Winter event.  We won't see something akin to the Goodwill Games

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My goodness, man.. get off Pavlovian streak of yours when you get excited anytime you see the slightest hint of what could look like a boycott. You do realize that Trump is about to no longer be

What’s that? Suicide for fear of death?    Never in a million years would athletes en masse go for that idea.

I mean, it's only fair that they are punished and equally get their games cancelled if Tokyo loses them. Even if they did not caused the pandemic, the fact that their lies and constant cover ups of th

Some recent updates.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/index.php/articles/1099084/sport-and-politics-mixed-blog

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1098534/boris-johnson-beijing-2022-boycott

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1099078/usopc-bill-passed-by-us-house-ioc-rules

 

UK government only talking about official dignitaries boycotting at this stage but who knows what will happen if the USA moves towards athletes boycotting.

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10 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Some recent updates.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/index.php/articles/1099084/sport-and-politics-mixed-blog

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1098534/boris-johnson-beijing-2022-boycott

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1099078/usopc-bill-passed-by-us-house-ioc-rules

 

UK government only talking about official dignitaries boycotting at this stage but who knows what will happen if the USA moves towards athletes boycotting.

The USA isn't moving towards athletes boycotting.  That's not a thing that's happening except in this crazy scenario you're building up in your head.

Like I've said saying.. absolutely can see a scenario where politicians and other higher ups refuse to attend.  But I don't see them turning that into something where they are deciding for the athletes that they can't make the trip.

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On 10/3/2020 at 2:59 AM, Quaker2001 said:

The USA isn't moving towards athletes boycotting.  That's not a thing that's happening except in this crazy scenario you're building up in your head.

Like I've said saying.. absolutely can see a scenario where politicians and other higher ups refuse to attend.  But I don't see them turning that into something where they are deciding for the athletes that they can't make the trip.

Plenty of senators have called for the IOC to remove it from China - you think those people wont then try and get an athlete boycot happening.

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What an absolute shitshow awaits us for 2022. And sadly they will most likely either get away with it or not give any care for a boycott and still call it a victory anyway. Anyone who has been following the IOC for years should know already they're spineless, so don't expect anything from them other than having Russia rent free in their heads 24/7. Another associate organization of Winnie Pooh just like the WHO.

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10 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Plenty of senators have called for the IOC to remove it from China - you think those people wont then try and get an athlete boycot happening.

2 senators out of 100 is not "plenty."  No, I don't think those people will then try and get an athlete boycott happening.  It's one thing for a politician to feel strongly about something and work to make it happen.  It's another thing entirely for that same politician to force that on somebody else and basically say "I hate China, therefore I demand that you athletes not go there."

Good luck with that.  

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5 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

2 senators out of 100 is not "plenty."  No, I don't think those people will then try and get an athlete boycott happening.  It's one thing for a politician to feel strongly about something and work to make it happen.  It's another thing entirely for that same politician to force that on somebody else and basically say "I hate China, therefore I demand that you athletes not go there."

Good luck with that.  

It happened in 1980 - why are you so confident it's not going to happen again.

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5 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

It happened in 1980 - why are you so confident it's not going to happen again.

Because this isn't 1980.  That was the height of the Cold War.  The Soviet Union was our sworn enemy.  And because this is how history looks back on what happened.. Jimmy Carter’s Disastrous Olympic Boycott

Folks on this site have a habit of saying "there's this thing that happened, so I think it can happen again" while losing any and all context.  You can't over-simplify this all to say there was a boycott in 1980, so that's why I think there will be a boycott in 2022.

What exactly did the 1980 boycott achieve?  Other than a whole lot of nothing.  The lasting effects where that it hurt a generation of American athletes, many of whom probably still hold a grudge 4 decades later.

More than all that.. it was the President of the United States that spearheaded that movement.  Not 2 senators who had an idea that they tried to push out into the open.  I know there's a prevailing theory that we're angry at China right now and need to expose their human rights violations.  Will a boycott accomplish that?  Do you think China will feel any effects of not having American athletes in Beijing in 2022 to the point where they'll change their ways?

I'm sure there will continue to be politicians and probably more than a couple of athletes who speak out against China.  And can choose to not attend.  But that's much different than an organized effort to take that choice away from them.  And remember.. those "plenty" of senators are not talking about a boycott.  They're asking the Olympics to be moved out of China.  Which is an extremely futile effort because there is zero chance of the IOC entertaining that.  Especially not now when they're still dealing with another Olympics for the next 10 months.

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31 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

Because this isn't 1980.  That was the height of the Cold War.  The Soviet Union was our sworn enemy.  And because this is how history looks back on what happened.. Jimmy Carter’s Disastrous Olympic Boycott

Folks on this site have a habit of saying "there's this thing that happened, so I think it can happen again" while losing any and all context.  You can't over-simplify this all to say there was a boycott in 1980, so that's why I think there will be a boycott in 2022.

What exactly did the 1980 boycott achieve?  Other than a whole lot of nothing.  The lasting effects where that it hurt a generation of American athletes, many of whom probably still hold a grudge 4 decades later.

More than all that.. it was the President of the United States that spearheaded that movement.  Not 2 senators who had an idea that they tried to push out into the open.  I know there's a prevailing theory that we're angry at China right now and need to expose their human rights violations.  Will a boycott accomplish that?  Do you think China will feel any effects of not having American athletes in Beijing in 2022 to the point where they'll change their ways?

I'm sure there will continue to be politicians and probably more than a couple of athletes who speak out against China.  And can choose to not attend.  But that's much different than an organized effort to take that choice away from them.  And remember.. those "plenty" of senators are not talking about a boycott.  They're asking the Olympics to be moved out of China.  Which is an extremely futile effort because there is zero chance of the IOC entertaining that.  Especially not now when they're still dealing with another Olympics for the next 10 months.

The USA now sees China has the biggest enemy.

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30 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

The USA now sees China has the biggest enemy.

In reality, the biggest enemy of the US is the US. Or rather that part of the country still hanging by 250 year old rules totally unfit for the 21st century.

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18 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

The USA now sees China has the biggest enemy.

Once again for those in the nosebleed seats.. this is not 1980.  This is not the cold war.  China as the United States' biggest enemy in 2020 is a completely different situation than the Soviet Union as the United States' biggest enemy in 1980.

I'm losing track of how many times this needs to be said to you... none of this implies there will be a boycott of the 2022 Olympics.  You keep wanting to jump over that step and you need to stop doing that

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10 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

In reality, the biggest enemy of the US is the US. Or rather that part of the country still hanging by 250 year old rules totally unfit for the 21st century.

Let's revisit that one a month from now and hope and pray that there is hope for the future and not that the American dream can officially be dead and buried

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