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It feels like I subscribed to a newsfeed from a local paper in South Queensland.

Here's the issue the IOC has right now and I've seen some people echo this on Twitter... The IOC wants to play it both ways.  I am sure that they will gladly push the narrative this summer - assu

Nikki Haley talking about “upholding America’s guiding principles” on Faux News is absolutely hysterical! Considering that’s not what they were doing at all when they were peddling the big, fat lie fo

‘A number of colleagues mentioned the issue of the winter Olympics. The Prime Minister has made it clear that we are not normally in favour of sporting boycotts, and of course the participation of the national team at the Olympics is a matter for the British Olympic Association, which is required to operate independently of the Government under International Olympic Committee regulations.’

 

The British Minster for Sport. 
 

 

However at least two British Poltical Parties have now adopted the position that the Games must be moved so the pressure is now on the BOA.

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The problem is trying make it government thing. This is about money. Unless you can show the voting members of the IOC that putting the Olympics in China will not yield a profit they will keep doing it.

That means sponsors and viewership.

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31 minutes ago, AmaniS said:

The problem is trying make it government thing. This is about money. Unless you can show the voting members of the IOC that putting the Olympics in China will not yield a profit they will keep doing it.

That means sponsors and viewership.

For 2022, they were left with a choice between China and Kazakhstan.  And Kazakhstan nearly won.  Almost goes without saying that the voters are in it for the money.  They're happy at this point to get in bed with a dictatorship where there's little risk of public backlash.  That's probably going to bite them in the ass at some point though.

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On 4/24/2021 at 1:43 AM, Quaker2001 said:

For 2022, they were left with a choice between China and Kazakhstan.  And Kazakhstan nearly won.  Almost goes without saying that the voters are in it for the money.  They're happy at this point to get in bed with a dictatorship where there's little risk of public backlash.  That's probably going to bite them in the ass at some point though.

With how the republicans now seemingly hate the IOC it could well cost them 2028 if Trump returns and pulls the USA out of the IOC as he is crazy enough to do so. 

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53 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

With how the republicans now seemingly hate the IOC it could well cost them 2028 if Trump returns and pulls the USA out of the IOC as he is crazy enough to do so. 

Sure, and I can start training for the Olympics and maybe I can win a gold medal in 2028, wherever the Olympics are held!!

Don't even joke about Trump like that.  As tiny as a chance of there is of that happening, best not to think about it.

The USOPC and LA2028 have contracts with the IOC.  As crazy as Trump is, he would have to breach those contracts in a huge way and the IOC would sue them into oblivion, and Trump would be the face of that.  Plus I'm sure he has some buddies in LA that would get hurt by that.

Let's see how much Republicans still hate the IOC a year from now, when the Beijing 2022 Games are in the rear view mirror.  They may cease to care at that point about what happens with the IOC and perhaps they'll set their sights on getting behind an Olympics held on U.S. soil rather than hindering the relationship this country has with the IOC.  Because what's the point?

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You know, y'all can keep yelling at REDWHITEBLUE24 all you want, but he's deadfast in what he wants, and he won't let anyone on here change his mind. And how is his boycott "fetish" any different to the ceremony "fetish" a lot of people on here have? Regardless,  yelling at him is as fruitless as trying to get a PS5.

 

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Or the Brisbane fetish, Almaty fetish, L.A. fetish, or whatever else tickles your Olympic fancy fetish. It’s not even worth the  bother with BFB (boycott fetish boy).

I’ve mainly commented when articles of Republican hypocrite politicians have  come into play. Cause yeah, trying to have any sort of discourse with BFB is really a moot point with the boycott blinders they have on.

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This week the Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved an amendment to a comprehensive bill on China that would require a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Winter Olympics.

The amendment, offered by Senators Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Tim Kaine (D-Va.),  would permit athletes to participate in the Olympics while withholding funding for high-level U.S. government participation in the Games. Such a move would express formal U.S. disapproval while stopping short of a full boycott—something which would dash American athletes’ Olympic dreams for political reasons, with little real impact.
 

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/responding-beijings-hosting-2022-olympics-should-be-team-effort

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11 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

This week the Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved an amendment to a comprehensive bill on China that would require a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Winter Olympics.

The amendment, offered by Senators Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Tim Kaine (D-Va.),  would permit athletes to participate in the Olympics while withholding funding for high-level U.S. government participation in the Games. Such a move would express formal U.S. disapproval while stopping short of a full boycott—something which would dash American athletes’ Olympic dreams for political reasons, with little real impact.
 

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/responding-beijings-hosting-2022-olympics-should-be-team-effort

This seems....very sensible.

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3 hours ago, Rob. said:

This seems....very sensible.

Yes it does.  This I could see happening.  Romney of all people knows how the optics would look if he tried to prevent athletes from attending the games knowing he can't directly cut off their funding sources.  But the funding that might send politicians and dignitaries to the games.. that he might have some control over.  And IMO sends a much stronger statement to the Chinese government

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7 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Yes it does.  This I could see happening.  Romney of all people knows how the optics would look if he tried to prevent athletes from attending the games knowing he can't directly cut off their funding sources.  But the funding that might send politicians and dignitaries to the games.. that he might have some control over.  And IMO sends a much stronger statement to the Chinese government

No way a boycott by politicians and dignitaries is a stronger staement than not sending anyone at all. 

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11 hours ago, Rob. said:

This seems....very sensible.

Romney is a sensible person. 

28 minutes ago, ulu said:

No way a boycott by politicians and dignitaries is a stronger staement than not sending anyone at all. 

If it not a stronger message, it is at least a more constructive message.

Doing nothing lets China believe there are no consequences for its bad behavior. Meanwhile publicly insulting the Chinese people through an outright boycott will drive China to become more jingoistic and make it harder for moderate politicians in the Chinese Communist Party to work towards reforms.

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Moving on to the global stage, respondents to the poll were also asked about a possible boycott of the 2022 Winter Olympics in China, a country often cited for human rights violations. Asked if they would support a boycott of the games, 55 percent of the U.S. general population said yes, with only 23 percent saying no, and 22 percent saying they did not know or held no opinion. Among sports fans, support for a boycott rose to 57 percent vs. 27 percent opposed to a boycott, and among avid fans, 65 percent said yes to a boycott vs. 23 percent saying no. The don't know/no opinion responses were 16 percent and 12 percent respectively for these self-described fans.

With Allies?

When Americans were asked if they would support an Olympic boycott if multiple countries joined in, the "yes" numbers (in favor) rose to 60 percent for the general population, 62 percent for sports fans and stayed even at 65 percent for avid fans.

Should Athletes Be Able to Participate Independently if Their Countries Boycott the Olympics?

On the question of whether athletes should be able to compete without representing their countries (if their countries were boycotting), the general population said yes by more than a 2 to 1 margin (49-23 percent), with 28 percent registering don't know/no opinion. Among sports fans, the yes margin was even greater at 54-23 percent (with 23 percent don't know/no opinion). Support for athletes competing individually rose again among avid fans to 63-23 percent with 14 percent saying don't know/no opinion.

 

https://www.shu.edu/business/news/sports-poll-finds-support-for-response-to-voting-laws.cfm

 

Could we see teams attending next year but like Great Britain did in 1980 compete under the Olympic flag and anthem?

 

 

 

 

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On 4/28/2021 at 11:20 PM, Nacre said:

Romney is a sensible person. 

If it not a stronger message, it is at least a more constructive message.

Doing nothing lets China believe there are no consequences for its bad behavior. Meanwhile publicly insulting the Chinese people through an outright boycott will drive China to become more jingoistic and make it harder for moderate politicians in the Chinese Communist Party to work towards 

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Sponsors makes it a lot harder to only do diplomatic boycotts. Every single spooner of even a single athlete is getting targeted in the UK and who wants to be seen as genocide supporter. I have heard rumours that letters to likely athletes are going out soon urging them to call for the games to be moved or vow to not participate. And those that do participate will get marked ad putting personal ambition ahead of human rights. I do think people underestimate how well organised the boycott movement can be in the UK if all those opposed to China did start calling for it. 

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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/chinas-communist-dictators-must-not-allowed-host-winter-olympics

 

Senator for the Govering Libreal Party in Australia calls for the games to be moved away from Bejing. Feels like Australia is moving towards a total boycott. 
 

More significant is that this might make Brisbane 2032 harder as it is clear an anti IOC position is developing in Australia.

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I've heard of the Liberal Party, but the Libreal Party? That's a new one.  

As for

2 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/chinas-communist-dictators-must-not-allowed-host-winter-olympics

 

Senator for the Govering Libreal Party in Australia calls for the games to be moved away from Bejing. Feels like Australia is moving towards a total boycott. 
 

More significant is that this might make Brisbane 2032 harder as it is clear an anti IOC position is developing in Australia.

judging by the comments on 7, 9 and 10 News' Facebook pages, I have seen plenty of support for permanently cutting Australia off from the rest of the world forever to keep deadly viruses like COVID19 out. Those people sound exactly like the Trumpists, wanting to ban foreigners from ever coming to their country again, (and as a consequence surrendering the 2023 Women's World Cup and the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games,  they be awarded to Queensland), the only difference is the people posting on said pages, for the most part, are taking the threat of COVID19 seriously.

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4 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/chinas-communist-dictators-must-not-allowed-host-winter-olympics

 

Senator for the Govering Libreal Party in Australia calls for the games to be moved away from Bejing. Feels like Australia is moving towards a total boycott. 
 

More significant is that this might make Brisbane 2032 harder as it is clear an anti IOC position is developing in Australia.

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In the grand scheme of things, who is Eric Abetz?

Here's the thing.. the 2022 Olympics are going to be in Beijing no matter how many inconsequential politicians make their case in the media that the games *must* be moved.  Those singular opinions do not represent an anti IOC position on behalf of an entire country.

More importantly.. the IOC has already pretty openly told the world that Brisbane is who they want for the 2032 Olympics.  If they IOC turns their back on Australia, then what?  It's not going to matter though.  A year from now, the Beijing Olympics will be in the rear view mirror and I doubt anyone will remember who raised a meaningless and nonsensical objection, let alone to hold that against an NOC for a political figure that doesn't speak on their behalf.

In short.. stop trolling.  It's getting old and increasingly dumbassical.

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