Moved 2022 before its to late.

[Quaker2001]

14 hours ago, Ikarus360 said:

Good. That's what they get for being a bunch of boomers out of touch with the current times. The fact they are still forcing Japan to host the games when COVID is far from over is extremely stupid.

They still have hosts for 2024, 2026, and 2028.  But if Tokyo gets cancelled, then it'll be tough finding a host for 2030 and 2032 and beyond.  Would be really shitty for the Olympic movement to have survived 2 World Wars, all the strife of the 70s, and to be done in by a global pandemic because they're such a terribly run organization.  

[StefanMUC]

1 hour ago, Quaker2001 said:

They still have hosts for 2024, 2026, and 2028.  But if Tokyo gets cancelled, then it'll be tough finding a host for 2030 and 2032 and beyond.  Would be really shitty for the Olympic movement to have survived 2 World Wars, all the strife of the 70s, and to be done in by a global pandemic because they're such a terribly run organization.  

It will also get tough if the IOC forces Tokyo's hand so much to get the Olympics going this year at any cost. Each and every bid from a seriously functioning democracy afterwards will suffer enormous backlash if they want to risk getting into bed with the IOC after such a fiasco. It's pretty much a lose-lose situation for the IOC and I can't say they have my sympathy for this.

 

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

Looks like Biden might order a boycot.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

1 hour ago, StefanMUC said:

It will also get tough if the IOC forces Tokyo's hand so much to get the Olympics going this year at any cost. Each and every bid from a seriously functioning democracy afterwards will suffer enormous backlash if they want to risk getting into bed with the IOC after such a fiasco. It's pretty much a lose-lose situation for the IOC and I can't say they have my sympathy for this.

 

In fact that is more likely - The IOC is unlikely to cancel if Japan think they can safely manage it and major nations are secure in that belief and would publicly oppose cancellation being imposed by the IOC.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

On 1/20/2021 at 5:43 PM, iceman530 said:

This was a very strange thing that the outgoing Trump administration did, because it was the right thing to do, but it was done to attempt to screw over Biden.  So ultimately they did the right thing..........out of spite.  It will have consequences certainly, and I was skeptical of any serious boycott talk, until this. The boycott may happen, the boycott may not happen, but I cant honestly say this means nothing.  This is obvious escalation, and that impetus to "do something" will be forced on multiple parties.  

My worthless opinion, its 30 percent this thing goes forward, 70 percent does not.  Initially I was about 40/60 it going forward, but this throws ten percent on the "no" weights for me.  It is not looking good.  Beating a dead horse, it should have been Almaty.  Sure, they have their own issues, but China has been an unmitigated disaster since awarding the games to them. The bid was tighter, more compact, has actual mountains, but I digress, thats neither here or there.  I don't think anyone could have predicted that things could have gone any worse;  Hong Kong, Corona Virus, Uighurs........  whats next, Taiwan??  It's going to make Sochi look like a well-oiled machine.

I honestly am thinking 2022 will see a boycott over nearly all the main winter countries bar Switzerland and maybe Austria and/or Sweden.

 

[Quaker2001]

7 hours ago, StefanMUC said:

It will also get tough if the IOC forces Tokyo's hand so much to get the Olympics going this year at any cost. Each and every bid from a seriously functioning democracy afterwards will suffer enormous backlash if they want to risk getting into bed with the IOC after such a fiasco. It's pretty much a lose-lose situation for the IOC and I can't say they have my sympathy for this.
 

Neither do I.  The IOC already had a pretty terrible reputation.  Obviously the pandemic isn't their fault, but this has further exposed what a terrible business partner they are.  They're fortunate they have 3 future hosts already locked in.  But tread carefully with Tokyo if they want willing participants for 2032 and maybe 2030

[iceman530]

Japan is looking at an athlete participating, but fanless games.  Thats my diagnosis.  I hope Im wrong though.

[iceman530]

I truly hope this crap is over by end of july/beginning august.......  If it goes much beyond that, this whole thing is going to be as much a mental health crisis as is its a pandemic crisis

[Nacre]

Many of the healthcare workers I know have gotten their first dose, and my parents have signed up for vaccination next month. The USA has done a pretty terrible job with Covid so far, but progress is being made quickly. If production of the vaccine is able to continue without supply shortages, most of the at-risk population should be vaccinated in developed countries by summer.

It won't be "over" by July, though. The only way to host the Olympics with even a modicum of safety would be to vaccinate all of the athletes, officials and games workers by June. And that means putting very healthy people in line ahead of the elderly, immunocompromised and infirm. If the NOC's try to do that they will face a massive PR backlash.

EDIT: Originally wrote "developing" instead of "developed".

Edited January 24, 2021 by Nacre

[Ikarus360]

On 1/23/2021 at 9:54 PM, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

I honestly am thinking 2022 will see a boycott over nearly all the main winter countries bar Switzerland and maybe Austria and/or Sweden.

 

Incursions to Taiwan have been happening for months and even years (though not at the same intensity). Its just China typical flexing at Taiwan to intimidate them, specially now that their current president does not want to bend the knee like the previous Kuomitang leaders did. China invading Taiwan, an island with its own army and weapons, would imply bloodshed and a war. If PRC government isn't this level of goddamn stupid, I doubt they will go straight for that option but keep intimidating to make taiwanese citizens feel scared and vote KMT back into power by next election.

[iceman530]

There are some whisperings in the intel community that China might pull a "sochi" and do Taiwan the same way Russia did Crimea  right during the olympics.  

[Nacre]

At this point China is strong enough to take Taiwan if it really wants to. But that would likely trigger the surrounding countries (India, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, etc) to create a formal NATO-style alliance against it.

Hopefully the world is able to handle a rising China better than it handled a rising Germany a century ago.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

A bill to force team USA to boycott is being introduced into the senate - while introuduced by a republicain The Dems might support it.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/sport/china-xinjiang-olympics-genocide-boycott-2022-intl-hnk/index.html#

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/why-we-should-boycott-chinas-winter-olympics/news-story/fb4bd490266bc3a4a327d1a531e05b2b

 

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

On 1/26/2021 at 4:06 AM, Nacre said:

At this point China is strong enough to take Taiwan if it really wants to. But that would likely trigger the surrounding countries (India, Japan, Vietnam, Australia, etc) to create a formal NATO-style alliance against it.

Hopefully the world is able to handle a rising China better than it handled a rising Germany a century ago.

Would Vietnam go against China?

[Quaker2001]

49 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

A bill to force team USA to boycott is being introduced into the senate - while introuduced by a republicain The Dems might support it.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/sport/china-xinjiang-olympics-genocide-boycott-2022-intl-hnk/index.html#

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/why-we-should-boycott-chinas-winter-olympics/news-story/fb4bd490266bc3a4a327d1a531e05b2b

 

No such thing is taking place.  Stop making up false information and sharing it as if it's fact

[Nacre]

13 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Would Vietnam go against China?

If they do it likely won't be through a pointless gesture like boycotting the Olympics . . .

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://milehighsports.com/commentary-its-time-to-talk-about-boycotting-the-2022-winter-olympics/

[Ikarus360]

I'll believe a boycott when I see it. China has way too much influence at this point. If people really cared about not letting China host, their victory in 2015 should had never been allowed to begin with. Now it's too late.

Either way, at the pace we're going their Olympics might get delayed/canceled too because Covid doesn't seem to end either by this year.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

Latest developments increase the likelihood of the UK boycotting.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/how-to-protest-chinas-human-rights-violations-without-boycotting-the-2022-olympics

[Quaker2001]

3 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Latest developments increase the likelihood of the UK boycotting.

 

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/how-to-protest-chinas-human-rights-violations-without-boycotting-the-2022-olympics

The headline is "How to protest China's human rights violations without boycotting the 2022 Olympics"

The entire article talks about how a boycott wouldn't accomplish much.  Why do you continue to be so ignorant as to believe that every time the word "boycott" is mentioned that it's more likely even when the article details why it shouldn't happen?

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/rights-groups-call-for-boycott-of-beijing-2022-winter-games-international-olympic-committee-china-human-rights-abuses-boycott-minorities-b1796734.html

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2021/02/662805/world-leaders-urged-boycott-beijing-2022-winter-olympics

 

I can see it being official policy for at least one country very soon.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

Statement on China tomorrow in the uk commons - I suspect they will be a non committal answer to any boycott demands.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/beijing-2022-180-human-rights-groups-call-for-winter-olympics-boycott

White house not planing a boycot atm.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-senators-introduce-resolution-calling-205300488.html

This is pointless but if the GOP permanently turn on the IOC a republican win in 2024 could see them cancel 2028.

[StefanMUC]

The GOP surely knows how to treat oppressive and abusive regimes. Their resolution to condemn those involved in the Capitol insurrection was remarkable...oh wait...

If, what greater powers may forbid, one of those pro-dictatorship folks wins in 2024, they will happily stand on the podium in summer 2028 and declare the Olympics open. Makes nice photo ops for a re-election campaign, even better than holding a bible upside down with tear gas dissipating in the back.

IOC and GOP are basically the same bunch of self-interest driven, privilege-protecting folks. They would never really get at each others‘ throats over something like human rights abuses that doesn‘t bring them money and/or power.