Moved 2022 before its to late.

[Ikarus360]

Controversial country with controversial government which was elected in 2015 despite all of the previously mentioned causes controversy.

Imagine my shock.

[Quaker2001]

On 11/26/2020 at 4:57 PM, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

https://observerxtra.com/2020/11/26/plenty-of-reasons-to-boycott-2022-olympics-in-china/

More calls in Canada for a boycott.

That's an opinion piece from a publication based on a town with a population of 12,000...

[ulu]

Just now, Quaker2001 said:

That's an opinion piece from a publication based on a town with a population of 12,000...

An opinion piece that doesn't even have the authors name.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

I feel the latest prove that China actions have killed millions from covid will make the public's attitude to boycotting stronger.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

'Proof' - Apologies for the misspelling and lack of ' '.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6213253120001

An Aussie Tv host calls for a boycott.

I believe Sky News Australia is popular and influential with supporters of the current Aussie government.

 

[olympikfan]

It took an Aussie to tell like it is, Come on world get with it. Over a trillions of dollars lost in economic activity. China hasn't take the responsibility  for Covid 19. Their will be a huge public outcry to boycott if Coivd doesn't go away. The WHO still hasn't declare the pandemic over.

[Quaker2001]

16 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6213253120001

An Aussie Tv host calls for a boycott.

I believe Sky News Australia is popular and influential with supporters of the current Aussie government.

Are you going to continue to post every time you see someone call for a boycott?  I get that's the purpose of this thread, but it's going to get annoying and overbearing really quickly.  If it hasn't already.

2 hours ago, olympikfan said:

It took an Aussie to tell like it is, Come on world get with it. Over a trillions of dollars lost in economic activity. China hasn't take the responsibility  for Covid 19. Their will be a huge public outcry to boycott if Coivd doesn't go away. The WHO still hasn't declare the pandemic over.

Sure, because the Aussies are really influential when it comes to the Winter Olympics.

Once again, to point out the obvious.. did you forget there's another Olympics on the calendar before Beijing?  How we view China in relation to the pandemic could be a lot different a year from now.  And thru the lens of the Olympics, we need to be on the other side of Tokyo before we can make an assessment on that one.

More than that.. calls to boycott the 2022 Olympics are not and should not be about COVID.  The central issue with China is human rights abuses.  That's what would lead to a boycott.  You didn't start this thread because of COVID.  Remember that

[ulu]

Sky News is basically the Australian equivalent of Fox News and even has the same owner.

[ulu]

It's also nowhere near as popular in Australia as Fox News is in the US.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

17 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Are you going to continue to post every time you see someone call for a boycott?  I get that's the purpose of this thread, but it's going to get annoying and overbearing really quickly.  If it hasn't already.

Sure, because the Aussies are really influential when it comes to the Winter Olympics.

Once again, to point out the obvious.. did you forget there's another Olympics on the calendar before Beijing?  How we view China in relation to the pandemic could be a lot different a year from now.  And thru the lens of the Olympics, we need to be on the other side of Tokyo before we can make an assessment on that one.

More than that.. calls to boycott the 2022 Olympics are not and should not be about COVID.  The central issue with China is human rights abuses.  That's what would lead to a boycott.  You didn't start this thread because of COVID.  Remember that

 I think people will hate China even more in a year's time when more and more evidence emerges about how the vaccine came around.

[Quaker2001]

7 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

 I think people will hate China even more in a year's time when more and more evidence emerges about how the vaccine came around.

Countries aren't going to boycott an Olympics out of hate.  That's dumb and pointless.  For years, the criticisms about China have been about major political issues.  That's why the talks to boycott go back much further than the start of the pandemic.

For the umpteenth time.. I know you get excited anytime you hear any talk of athletes or nations skipping the 2022 Olympics, but what is that supposed to accomplish?  If it's about "hate" and payback for the pandemic, how does that hurt China or make them change their ways?  You think they'll care if even a major country like Canada or Great Britain doesn't send its athletes and the platform behind that is about the virus?  That doesn't make any sense.

If there's any national backing behind these efforts (i.e. a country withholding funding so as to not support the sending of athletes to China), then that's a pretty big political statement.  That needs to come with some sort of message of what they hope China will do in response.  Sitting out from the Olympics on its own won't accomplish anything.  It needs to be backed up with a "we are doing this because ________."  Better have something there or else it's nothing more than an empty gesture that serves no real purpose.

[ulu]

9 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

 I think people will hate China even more in a year's time when more and more evidence emerges about how the vaccine came around.

And how has the vaccine come around?

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

On 12/3/2020 at 6:38 AM, Quaker2001 said:

Countries aren't going to boycott an Olympics out of hate.  That's dumb and pointless.  For years, the criticisms about China have been about major political issues.  That's why the talks to boycott go back much further than the start of the pandemic.

For the umpteenth time.. I know you get excited anytime you hear any talk of athletes or nations skipping the 2022 Olympics, but what is that supposed to accomplish?  If it's about "hate" and payback for the pandemic, how does that hurt China or make them change their ways?  You think they'll care if even a major country like Canada or Great Britain doesn't send its athletes and the platform behind that is about the virus?  That doesn't make any sense.

If there's any national backing behind these efforts (i.e. a country withholding funding so as to not support the sending of athletes to China), then that's a pretty big political statement.  That needs to come with some sort of message of what they hope China will do in response.  Sitting out from the Olympics on its own won't accomplish anything.  It needs to be backed up with a "we are doing this because ________."  Better have something there or else it's nothing more than an empty gesture that serves no real purpose.

Canada is likely to have an election next year and the opposition leader is known to be pro-boycott so if he wins I don't expect to see Team Canada in Beijing.

[Quaker2001]

2 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Canada is likely to have an election next year and the opposition leader is known to be pro-boycott so if he wins I don't expect to see Team Canada in Beijing.

You need to stop taking any slight hint of a boycott as a strong indication it's going to happen.  It's probably not going to happen.  It'll take more than a leader that is "pro-boycott"...

John Ivison: Boycott of Beijing Olympics is no substitute for a proper foreign policy

Canada won’t lead boycott of 2022 Olympic Games in Beijing

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

Slowly more and more sport stars are turning on China and Chinese companies so even if no nations boycott I think we might get some athletes boycotting.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

If the UK puts sanctions on President Xi how could any British competitor attending the opening ceremony where he will open the games.

[Quaker2001]

21 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

Slowly more and more sport stars are turning on China and Chinese companies so even if no nations boycott I think we might get some athletes boycotting.

See, this I agree with.  Individuals may say that their personal ideals are worth sacrificing the Olympics for and decide to say they refuse to go to China.  Or at the very least speak out against them.

7 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

If the UK puts sanctions on President Xi how could any British competitor attending the opening ceremony where he will open the games.

This OTOH I don't agree with.  Brits are not going to completely sever ties with China over government sanctions.  I know it's a strange scenario involving Olympic athletes because they are government funded, but sanctions should not imply that a boycott is then automatic.  Especially since that's a big "if" you're offering up there

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

On 12/11/2020 at 7:11 PM, Quaker2001 said:

See, this I agree with.  Individuals may say that their personal ideals are worth sacrificing the Olympics for and decide to say they refuse to go to China.  Or at the very least speak out against them.

This OTOH I don't agree with.  Brits are not going to completely sever ties with China over government sanctions.  I know it's a strange scenario involving Olympic athletes because they are government funded, but sanctions should not imply that a boycott is then automatic.  Especially since that's a big "if" you're offering up there

True but who knows.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

More and More politicians in the uk calling for Boycotting China - can't see how the government will be able to allow team GB to go.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

Debate in the UK Commons tomorrow on China - I think Raab likely to repeat his open to a boycott stance when it is inevitably raised as part of it.  I think the aftermath of him saying that might be when the BOA and British winter Olympians comment on it - they need to starting preparing for a full scale debate on their participation.

[ulu]

I wouldn't be surprised if @REDWHITEBLUE24is having wet dreams each night about boycotting the Olympics.

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

With more and more news from Hong Kong I can't see the UK government allowing the team to go.

[Nacre]

I understand that you want a boycott to happen. And that is your prerogative.

But the rest of us doubt it will happen unless there are statements to that effect from groups like the British Olympic Association or the US Olympic Committee.

EDIT: And as I write this the US Capitol Building is being stormed by protesters in the American equivalent of the era of the Gracchi Brothers of the Roman Republic. We have much bigger things to worry about as a country than whether we will snub a Chinese-hosted Olympics.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Nacre

[REDWHITEBLUE24]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/politics/why-joe-biden-should-boycott-china’s-2022-winter-olympics-175292