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All that Salzburg seems actually thinking about is their presentation during Torino 2006, to fill out the forms of the IOC correctly, to design a new logo, find new "ambassadors", spend a lot of money for a few officials - that´s all they want. This is not enough effort for a serious and successfull bid. There is a lot more to do except this tiny things. Or - maybe the only want to live the Olympic ghost - it´s enough to be part of it. It´s also ok but doesn´t make sense for a city who wants to host Olympic Games. Every city does what it can do the best. Let´s wait and see.
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It´s also ok but doesn´t make sense for a city who wants to host Olympic Games.

I'm starting to be suspicious that Salzburg, more specifically Austria, is simply an experienced IOC endorsed "Plan B" bid if any of the newer cities with minute amounts of experience crash and burn after the election...  :;):

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here is a report from a security meeting in Salzburg regarding great sport events. It is also related to the Olympic bid, Football WC 2006, EC 2008 in Austria etc. It has great influence on future organisation of a possible host of the OG 2014 in Salzburg.

All responsible officials were there: Mr. Jungwirth, head of the OC Salzburg 2014 plus a lot of International officials. What I´ve missed: no other responsible people from Salzburg were there. This seems still not a theme for these people. It´s the same game they are playing like in past bids. Nobody seems to be responsible. The officials should be measured on their success. If they failed they should have to go. See also Salzburg´s homepage and the report of the controlling office reagrding the bid 2010. It seems that Salzburg only wants to be in the race but for a successfull bid there is to do a lot of hard work and the knowledge how to do. It´s not clear who guarantees for the success like a manager in a company. If these people fail the have to be fired. We hear about other cities where a lot of money is invested - but what about Salzburg? There are a lot of people in and around Salzburg who know how to do the job, how to be successfull in the bid. They should give these people the chance to do something for the bid. Salzburg actually tries it with people from Vienna. But as in football: if the coach is not good you should chance it. If someone wants to help they should not be ignored. The have a lot of experience in all necessary segments like marketing, PR, security etc. Please open the process for a more human, active and open minded sense. Don´t play the ball to the first one in your near, try to get the goal. More of energy have to be developed - until now there is only frustration. Most of the people were there in 2010. Nothing happened. We have to talk about more responsibility. Then we will see results. There are a lot of new things to develop but if soemone has a well-paid job, who cares about it? There is a big chance to do something for Salzburg for the next 15 or 20 years. They shoudl not waste this chance.

Sorry, it´s for German readers only:

http://www.salzburg.com/sn/salzburg/artikel/1777525.html

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It is also a fact that the bid committee worked hard for the last bid of Salzburg. The result was only a thid place. For this bid there are only 20 monthes to the decision. As we can see nothing revolutionary happened compared to the last bids. All what can happen is to loose the final against PC. To fail a third time within 10 years is desastruous. Programs have to be improved immediately. The board of the bid committee has a big responsibility so they have to keep the boat on the row. What they now showing us is not very much. The whole campaign of the city government member Ms. Promegger was also a big debate. People were very suspicious about Salzburg´s bid. The responsible people have to take the whole responsibility for the project. What happened: people were coming and going, wasting a lot of money. This also happened in the next bid period. I think these people should be responsible for what they are doing. People have the right to get a guarantee that the bid committee is willing to get the Games. Every arguement is for PC. It´s very difficult to get PC from top place as they are working on this a very long time. People in Salzburg have to ask people who have the knowledge and the experience how to do the job. Actually Salzburg´s people are doing the same mistakes as for 2006 and 2010. They have to realize that they have the full responsibility on this and not let things go and let doing the job by some businessmen from the region. We are talking about people who have no clue, no successfull clue how to organize OG´s. No one of them was in a past bid committee. As in economy they need people with a huge experience. It´s not like an in-group event, it should be an international project. To say we now best what´s the best for Salzburg is absolutely wrong. You can say this when they would be successfull. But now they try it the third time and nothing happens. They have to listen to people from outside of their castle who want to help. Until today there was only frustration. But the fun will come back with changes of  several programs, enthusiasm, knowledge and experience. Someone who was not on Mt. Everest is not allowed to talk about people who were there. The crazyness is still going on. They don´t know how to reach their targets. Listen to other people´s voices and you will reach your targets, people from Salzburg! If they will accept this they will reach it. If nothing happens there will be no miracle for 2014. If there is action, everything is ok and Salzburg will get the Games 2014.
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Is there someone who wants to say something or do you think it´s too late for Salzburg for 2014?

No, certainly not _ I still think Salzburg is second favourite after PC, maybe even with Sofia.

No bid city, expecially onn its third attempt, would go into it half-heartedly. I think you're mistaking lack of public activity for what is suyre to be a lot of behind the scenes work, where the real job of winning is done.

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I can´t imagine that Salzburg want to host the Games 2014 and nothing happens today. It seems they think on the one hand: yes, we want the Games and on the other hand: let´s hope we don´t get the Games. I assume, other than most people, there is nothing behind the scene, out of publicity. Luck is only with the people who are willing to do something. Not like Salzburg today who want to go the easy way - and loose at the end as in the past.
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There are about 3 monthes when to hand out the questionnaire in February 2006. After that there are presentations of the bid cities during Torino 2006 and then Salzburg will wait for the short list in June 2006. It´s exactly the same like in the last 2 bids which failed. They didn´t get special points for their work and they still won´t do anything. It´s like in football club which lost a number of matches and don´t want to learn from the mistakes of the past. If only they would change their concept they would have success. Sure, these are all critical words but it is because people with a lot of experience want to help Salzburg. But the responsible people there are very "limited" to do something positive to be in the run. People who have experience to organisize such big events are not welcome whereas people who already lost bids are in the race. Olympic Games are world games and not limited to one country, one organisation. People shouldbe hired without prejustifications regarding nationality, colour, religion etc. They should take the best they can get. If they keep this in mind they won´t fail like in the past.That was the reason for the past failures of Salzburg. We are the best and we don´t need anyone - this is the wrong way of thinking.
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IOC has opened today phase 1 for the application cities which all candidates have to fulfill. Salzburg is part of it. That´s what officially goes to the IOC. But what has an impact on winning the bid - nothing has moved. When all have very good classifications what´s the difference? We have to bring out the very special of the bid cities. That´s what it makes and what the IOC moves to get Salzburg the Games. Have a look at the web-sites: PC and Sochi have done something, they are active - in opposite to Salzburg, Almaty and the others. That nonchalance will lead into a catastrophe. There never will be a successfull bid.
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You are a f*cking idiot.

At the same time in the 2006 and 2010 races very few bid cities – including Pyeongchang – had much of a web profile – and having watched the IOC as a media representative for years I can assure you the IOC members don’t care how much of a promotional campaign a city has – they vote strictly according to their own interests.  

Frankly Salzburg is doing the right thing – getting everything locked in place and ready to go.  It doesn’t matter one iota whether or not you think they are doing anything – they only have to get about 60 votes from the IOC.  Nothing else will win them the Games so just stop your tired little rants and get back into your spider hole.

Damn you newbies - get over yourselves!

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You are a f*cking idiot.

At the same time in the 2006 and 2010 races very few bid cities – including Pyeongchang – had much of a web profile – and having watched the IOC as a media representative for years I can assure you the IOC members don’t care how much of a promotional campaign a city has – they vote strictly according to their own interests.  

Frankly Salzburg is doing the right thing – getting everything locked in place and ready to go.  It doesn’t matter one iota whether or not you think they are doing anything – they only have to get about 60 votes from the IOC.  Nothing else will win them the Games so just stop your tired little rants and get back into your spider hole.

Damn you newbies - get over yourselves!

GOOD LORD

SIMMER DOWN!

Promotion is almost EVERYTHING during the first year of bidding. It shows how much constant effort you're putting into something. It's not unlike a job interview. If the election was today, Salzburg, being sluggish, not very active, and seemingly out of ideas would definitely not be "hired" compared to Pyongchang, the city with motivation and events and campaigns coming out of its ears for the sole reason of it looks like they actually give a damn.

Right now Salzburg looks Salzboring and it doesn't seem they're doing much. Even Almaty looks like it's more active than Salzburg.

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Promotion tours etc are not all that´s sure. That´s only for the open publicity. What really counts should be behind the scene to win the respect of the IOC. As you already said IOC decides on own interests. Behind the scenes, that´s important. These points will convince the IOC members. When only facts are counting there is no place for any kind of manipulation. But as you said Salzburg is more Salzboring and it seems they will still live in their dreams.
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Listen to puppy! It'sonly been a few months since the first expresions of interest were handed in and you're exspecting Salzburg to have issued almost its full bid and embarked on a full-on promotional campaign. Get it thrtough your head, the Austrians are not stupid, they are not bidding for the sake of it or half-heartedly, they have done this befopre and know what they're doing, the race will be won in two year's time, not the next few weks. If anything, go too hard too early and they'll lose momentum. Wait till 2007 before you start pointing out what they've done wrong.
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Listen to puppy! It'sonly been a few months since the first expresions of interest were handed in and you're exspecting Salzburg to have issued almost its full bid and embarked on a full-on promotional campaign. Get it thrtough your head, the Austrians are not stupid, they are not bidding for the sake of it or half-heartedly, they have done this befopre and know what they're doing, the race will be won in two year's time, not the next few weks. If anything, go too hard too early and they'll lose momentum. Wait till 2007 before you start pointing out what they've done wrong.

Salzburg hasn't done anything wrong, but that's not to say they have done anything RIGHT.

They are still in the same position they were at the 2003 2010 election, and need to make some revisions or SOMETHING. Without trying different angles or making big adjustments to the bid, Salzburg could end up the winter equivalent of Istanbul (although probably not as chronic.)

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Salzburg does the same like in the last 2 bids and this is not the base for the right result. This is the third chance. They have to fulfíll the expectations from IOC and they have to change soemthing in the background. Otherwise, as IceNarcissus said, they will fail in the first round. But the people there should know how to do. I don´t have the impression that they really have understood.
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Maybe Salzburg expects to have another chances after failing a third time (see Sweden 9 times or Switzerland 6 times) but this was in the past. I think the chance for another bid will be very small as there are also candidates in Austria like Innsbruck or Kitzbuehel who want to be bid city. Also in Europe there are a lot of cities and regions which never had the chance to host games like Sofia, Tatre, Hungary, Russia and of course the candidates from Scandinavia and Switzerland which failed in the past. If the responsible people from Salzburg realize this they should not get pass by the chance for 2014. In this actual bid there is the only chance. Now or never. The actual generation won´t see OG´s in Salzburg for the next 30 years as Europe normally get´s the Games only every 12th or 16th year because or the huge number of candidates in world. That´s why it is incredible that the phlegma of the organisation of Salzburg is still sleeping. Only to do something short before the decision is not the right way. The fire has to burn constantly the whole 20 monthes. IOC knows it´s role. They are collecting the candidates like in school. All candidates will do their homework but the IOC will decide between the 5 scholars. A candidate has to be convincing in his skills doing the organisation. There has to be no chance to manipulate things. Only the best should get the Games not the one the IOC favors. This would be a big scandal. That´s why I´m forcing the idea that Salzburg has to give IOC no chance to do what they want. But like they are acting today there is no chance to get the Games 2014.
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In next time until winter the next development of Salzburgs OC will be the logo. That might be the only thing they are able to do. They might not need any help from people outside which want to help to make Salzburg´s bid a success. To bring out the logo will be gigantic and helpful for their bid. Salzburg is far away from veni, vidi, vici ....
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In next time until winter the next development of Salzburgs OC will be the logo. That might be the only thing they are able to do. They might not need any help from people outside which want to help to make Salzburg´s bid a success. To bring out the logo will be gigantic and helpful for their bid. Salzburg is far away from veni, vidi, vici ....

but, is there any date to show the logo? or, is there any public contest to find a logo? :help:

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They missed to show the logo on Halloween. Maybe they get it done for New Year´s day (but I don´t know the year).

Ok  :laughlong:

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Finally there happens something in Salzburg´s bid. The bid company has got a new managing director. Let´s hope this will let the people there start to do something. The capital of the company is about 1.95 million Euro but they will need about 7 to 10 million Euro for a successfull bid as the other candidates are supported with a lot of money. Salzburg´s last bid for 2010 was about 7 million Euro but for the third time, ig they really want to have success, they have to invest about 10 million Euro. The necessary projects they still have to do are expensive so they need the money to win. Until IOC´s decision there are about 20 monthes to Guatemala 2007 and this is not very much time.
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After the founding of the Olympic bid company Salzburg 2014, the people will have a lot of work upt o now. "We will have the Olympic flame in Salzburg" are nice words but we have to realize that the top favorite is PC. To go on top there is a lot of work. There was also a lot of euphoristic mood during the last bid - and nothing happened. It might be clear after Torino 2006 that the Games normally do not come back to Europe 2014. That´s why Salzburg has to go another way and do some other projects to eliminate deficits and reach the top position - to finally get the Games 2014.

But only with very special projects. Contacts to IOC members and other sport legends which argue for Games in Salzburg 2014 are welcome but have no impact on the decision on IOC executive commission. I.e. maybe a lot of the IOC members are for Salzburg but in Guatemala 2007 the decision will be completely different. Salzburg should be prepared for this. They should have a clear vision of what they want, doing the right actions to find solutions for the right result. There should be no way to manipulate the result at the end. The situation at the end should be that there could be only one possible candidate - Salzburg. This way is very hard and long but it is possible.

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Besides PC and Salzburg there are Sofia and Sochi which have a realsitic chance to get under the last three, maybe Almaty. In Summer IOC will decide for the short list. Actually Borjomi and Jaca are far away to be an acceptable candidate. At the end in Guatemala the final match will be between PC, Salzburg and Sofia. That´s my actual understanding of the situation but this maybe change. All facts and figures are actually for PC. It´s important for the remaining candidates what they will do during the next 20 monthes, besides the homework of the IOC. The homework will not bring the final solution as they are all very close, so a lot of other influences will be needed to get the final winner. The elbowroom is very tight but if another than PC will win, this space have to be conquered to win the Games 2014.
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