StefanMUC Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Sigh said: Germany? Perhaps there are some optimists that think a referendum could be won this time. Otherwise I thought they were more interested in 1936. I guess you mean 2036 Also yeah, DOSB very clearly said they‘re not pursuing 2030 *after* the IOC reopened the process. Given this week‘s Fencing 1976 performance on Russia, this will certainly not sway any public opinion in his homecountry in his favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Switzerland, another one AKA - I'll believe in a Winter Olympic bid from them when I actually see one. And in that case too, it's also just their NOC the one "dialoging" with the IOC. What about local/national gov't officials? And then of course the actual citizens of Switzerland, which time-&-again have rejected multiple Olympic proposals presented to them. And as mentioned already, it'll actually be a while anyway if they managed to get anything off-the-ground. So they wouldn't be the answer for 2030 anyway, since time is starting to go against the IOC with that winter edition. And as far as a certain certain Asian place is concerned, if we're to take Dubi's "very 'mature' winter markets" comment at face value, they ain't part of the "six interested parties/regions"/whatever. So let's just put that one aside already. 4 hours ago, Sigh said: And just for the record: The Swedish sports minister is now in direct confrontation with the IOC. In what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sigh Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, StefanMUC said: 4 hours ago, Sigh said: Germany? Perhaps there are some optimists that think a referendum could be won this time. Otherwise I thought they were more interested in 1936. I guess you mean 2036 How right you are. On the other hand I believe I was right anyway. Anything would probably more interesting than 1930 for them. 26 minutes ago, FYI said: 4 hours ago, Sigh said: And just for the record: The Swedish sports minister is now in direct confrontation with the IOC. In what way? He's coordinating with other countries to push back against EB when it comes to Russians and Belarussians participating. It appears he's quite upset. In general the whole Russian thing makes any discussion about olympic games in Europe more "complicated" at present. That may fade but as has been noted: The clock is ticking for 2030. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigh Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 I did it again! It should have been 2030 and not 1930. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 I'm starting to fear that the Olympics as a whole are in real danger now after this week's performance. I can see some countries, especially in the traditional winter sports powers, Scandinavia and Central Europe, seriously considering leaving the IOC if Bach stays much longer. There was already mistrust of the IOC and him in particular, but there's going to be a lot of countries that the IOC really need to attract and win over, who will (rightly or wrongly) now suspect that their President is a Russian asset. Not a good place to be in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Further evidence of the increased interest in the Winter Olympic Games There’s been a lot of discussion in these threads this week about renewed interest in the Winter Olympic Games and particularly the names of the six interested parties who have approached the IOC Future Host Commission. The IOC said they were reassured with this renewed interest but refused at this stage to themselves reveal who these six parties were and saying that their confidentiality must be respected. The IOC further said said its up to those parties themselves if they wish to reveal themselves and the IOC will be guided by their wishes. Well, as first reported by @cfm Jeremie, one of the six has “come out”. Switzerland declares itself “Christophe Dubi was telling the truth on Tuesday 28 March at a press conference on the first day of the IOC Executive Board meeting: the campaign for the Winter Games in 2030 is now attracting increased interest.” “A new possible candidate has just made itself known: Switzerland.” “Its national Olympic committee, Swiss Olympic, says in a statement that it is “examining the conditions for a Winter Games in Switzerland in accordance with its strategy.” ”In effect, the Swiss Olympic Board has asked the IOC to “move from an ‘informal dialogue’ to an ‘ongoing dialogue’ as part of the ‘Election of Future Hosts’ process.” ”The nuance is important. It suggests that Switzerland is now much more willing to engage in the campaign for the Winter Games. Cautiously, Swiss Olympic warned that it would first “verify whether the conditions are right for a possible Swiss Olympic bid“. This is normal.” “But the machine seems to be running. And, as with Sweden, the other guest of the last few months in the campaign, it could well take advantage of an undoubtedly historic opportunity to quickly gain momentum.” ”The Swiss media report that the IOC received a delegation from Swiss Olympics on Thursday 23 March for “exploratory talks.” On the IOC side, the discussions were led by Director General Christophe De Kepper.” ”The Swiss delegation consisted of Swiss Olympic President Jürg Stahl and Director General Ralph Stöckli, as well as representatives of the national winter sports federations, including Swiss Ski President Urs Lehmann.” Francs Jeux.com - 31 March 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Canada Still At The Table Further reports of Canada still being in discussions with the IOC for future Olympic Winter Games are starting to appear. Renewed Interest in the Olympic Winter Games by Canada “An International Olympic Committee official said March 29 that the Canadian Olympic Committee is “still at the table,” talking about bringing the Winter Olympics back to Vancouver, despite the NDP government’s refusal to provide financial support.” “However, the IOC’s executive director of Games, Christophe Dubi, spoke cautiously after the quarterly IOC executive board meeting in Lausanne, Switzerland.” “Our understanding is that conversations will take place again between the COC and the local authorities. So this is during the next few weeks,” Dubi said during a webconference with reporters. “So until then, no further work to be done either from us or COC. But we understand that discussions will take place, so we look forward to hearing the result of these.” “Pressed further, on whether those discussions are about resurrecting the 2030 bid or mounting a bid for subsequent Games, Dubi said “I would be more comfortable if they do respond to this very question.” “What I can tell you is there was a project with an economical situation that was discussed between the parties and they should confirm whether it’s for one specific edition or a longer-term perspective,” he said.” ”The COC, which partnered with the Musqueam, Squamish, Tsleil-Waututh and Lil’wat first nations, said the proposal has not changed, but did not offer any further details.” “We remain hopeful that there will be an opportunity for all partners to come together to talk about the vision for the Games, and the lasting impact hosting a Games could have on the [Four Host First Nations], the province, and the rest of Canada,” said the statement from the feasibility team’s Chris Dornan.” the Breaker.news - 31 March 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, yoshi said: I'm starting to fear that the Olympics as a whole are in real danger now after this week's performance. I can see some countries, especially in the traditional winter sports powers, Scandinavia and Central Europe, seriously considering leaving the IOC if Bach stays much longer. There was already mistrust of the IOC and him in particular, but there's going to be a lot of countries that the IOC really need to attract and win over, who will (rightly or wrongly) now suspect that their President is a Russian asset. Not a good place to be in I don't know that they'll leave, but some especially in Europe, may be less inclined to offer themselves up. The Summer side might be okay. The Winter side though is in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: Further evidence of the increased interest in the Winter Olympic Games There’s been a lot of discussion in these threads this week about renewed interest in the Winter Olympic Games and particularly the names of the six interested parties who have approached the IOC Future Host Commission. The IOC said they were reassured with this renewed interest but refused at this stage to themselves reveal who these six parties were and saying that their confidentiality must be respected. The IOC further said said its up to those parties themselves if they wish to reveal themselves and the IOC will be guided by their wishes. Well, as first reported by @cfm Jeremie, one of the six has “come out”. Switzerland declares itself “Christophe Dubi was telling the truth on Tuesday 28 March at a press conference on the first day of the IOC Executive Board meeting: the campaign for the Winter Games in 2030 is now attracting increased interest.” “A new possible candidate has just made itself known: Switzerland.” “Its national Olympic committee, Swiss Olympic, says in a statement that it is “examining the conditions for a Winter Games in Switzerland in accordance with its strategy.” ”In effect, the Swiss Olympic Board has asked the IOC to “move from an ‘informal dialogue’ to an ‘ongoing dialogue’ as part of the ‘Election of Future Hosts’ process.” ”The nuance is important. It suggests that Switzerland is now much more willing to engage in the campaign for the Winter Games. Cautiously, Swiss Olympic warned that it would first “verify whether the conditions are right for a possible Swiss Olympic bid“. This is normal.” “But the machine seems to be running. And, as with Sweden, the other guest of the last few months in the campaign, it could well take advantage of an undoubtedly historic opportunity to quickly gain momentum.” ”The Swiss media report that the IOC received a delegation from Swiss Olympics on Thursday 23 March for “exploratory talks.” On the IOC side, the discussions were led by Director General Christophe De Kepper.” ”The Swiss delegation consisted of Swiss Olympic President Jürg Stahl and Director General Ralph Stöckli, as well as representatives of the national winter sports federations, including Swiss Ski President Urs Lehmann.” You’re so desparate and needy for the names, you want the names, you’re demanding the names! Let me let you in on something. You’re acting like a child screaming for their own way. You don’t like that the IOC are actually respecting the wishes of the actual interested parties from these mature winter markets actually want to keep these discussions confidential at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 @Quaker2001 You do realise that Switzerland themselves chose to reveal their identity, don’t you? The IOC has said they will respect their confidentiality and leave it up to the six interested parties if they chose to reveal themselves. Switzerland have just done that themselves. As I said, have patience Grasshopper. It’s up to them if they want to reveal their identity at this early stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Why the Renewed Interest in the 2030 and Future Games? “IOC still discussing strategy for future Winter Games“. “If you look at to those parties that come to the table at this point in time, these are very mature, winter markets. So, I’m definitely not worried with the timing, knowing that we’re going to go to – as we have with Milano and Cortina – a region or a country that have the infrastructure and are used to organizing high-level events, being World Cups or World Championships. So, we’re not pressed by time for the election.” “Pressed for details, Dubi said that the number of “interested parties” has increased beyond Salt Lake City, Sapporo, Vancouver and Sweden and continues to expand to six and more.” “Asked why interest has picked up, Dubi cited: “the new, heavy emphasis on the use of existing facilities which can be located in another region or even another country, and” “the informal nature and low cost of the “continuous dialogue” process.” Credit: The Sports Examiner - 30 March 2023 by Rich Perelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stryker Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, AustralianFan said: Why the Renewed Interest in the 2030 and Future Games? “IOC still discussing strategy for future Winter Games“. “If you look at to those parties that come to the table at this point in time, these are very mature, winter markets. So, I’m definitely not worried with the timing, knowing that we’re going to go to – as we have with Milano and Cortina – a region or a country that have the infrastructure and are used to organizing high-level events, being World Cups or World Championships. So, we’re not pressed by time for the election.” “Pressed for details, Dubi said that the number of “interested parties” has increased beyond Salt Lake City, Sapporo, Vancouver and Sweden and continues to expand to six and more.” “Asked why interest has picked up, Dubi cited: “the new, heavy emphasis on the use of existing facilities which can be located in another region or even another country, and” “the informal nature and low cost of the “continuous dialogue” process.” Credit: The Sports Examiner - 30 March 2023 by Rich Perelman Why do you continue to post fake news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, AustralianFan said: Why the Renewed Interest in the 2030 and Future Games? “IOC still discussing strategy for future Winter Games“. “If you look at to those parties that come to the table at this point in time, these are very mature, winter markets. So, I’m definitely not worried with the timing, knowing that we’re going to go to – as we have with Milano and Cortina – a region or a country that have the infrastructure and are used to organizing high-level events, being World Cups or World Championships. So, we’re not pressed by time for the election.” “Pressed for details, Dubi said that the number of “interested parties” has increased beyond Salt Lake City, Sapporo, Vancouver and Sweden and continues to expand to six and more.” “Asked why interest has picked up, Dubi cited: “the new, heavy emphasis on the use of existing facilities which can be located in another region or even another country, and” “the informal nature and low cost of the “continuous dialogue” process.” Credit: The Sports Examiner - 30 March 2023 by Rich Perelman 4 minutes ago, stryker said: Why do you continue to post fake news? Really ? You’re not a Trump supporter are you? I hope you’re not. You’re sounding like one though using that above phrase. Just saying. Of the six interested parties who have come to the table for 2030, we know of five because they are all over the media. Did you not see all this? I think it’s rather this all goes against your recent posts about the recent surge in irenewed interest in the 2030 Winter Games that perhaps you cannot accept? So here you are lashing out now actually denying the renewed interest in the 2030 Winter Games and the six interested parties currently in talks with the IOC. Ok, allow me, if I may (?) to bring you up to date: IOC reports “renewed interest” in hosting 2030 Winter Olympics, including from Canada, after new proposals announced in December - Gamesbids.comm- 29 March 2023 IOC Media Conference - 29 March 2023 Transcripts - Key Journalists Questions and Answers to the IOC - page 18 Gamesbids.com Growing interest in hosting 2030 Winter Olympics - ITG - 30 March 2023 More Winter Games host candidates emerge, IOC says, but won’t name names - Deseret News - 30 March 2023 Switzerland in talks with IOC about hosting the 2030 Winter Olympics - iamexpat.ch - 30 March 2023 Switzerland Declares Itself - Francs Jeux.com - 31 March 2023 IOC official still talking with Canadian Olympic Committee about hosting another Winter Olympics - thebreaker.news - 31 March 2023 IOC welcomes Swedish interest in 2030 Winter Olympics - ITG - 12 Feb 2023 Latvia form working group to consider joining Sweden on 2030 Winter Olympics bid - ITG - 10 March 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 it's not his fault, he doesn't understand humor, nuance or irony. we should all just put him on ignore and enjoy rich, fulfilling lives full of happiness and intelligent discussion, but we won't because we hate ourselves and this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: Really ? You’re not a Trump supporter are you? I hope you’re not. You’re sounding like one though using that above phrase. Just saying. Of the six interested parties who have come to the table for 2030, we know of five because they are all over the media. Did you not see all this? I think it’s rather this all goes against your recent posts about the recent surge in irenewed interest in the 2030 Winter Games that perhaps you cannot accept? So here you are lashing out now actually denying the renewed interest in the 2030 Winter Games and the six interested parties currently in talks with the IOC. Ok, allow me, if I may (?) to bring you up to date: IOC reports “renewed interest” in hosting 2030 Winter Olympics, including from Canada, after new proposals announced in December - Gamesbids.comm- 29 March 2023 IOC Media Conference - 29 March 2023 Transcripts - Key Journalists Questions and Answers to the IOC - page 18 Gamesbids.com Growing interest in hosting 2030 Winter Olympics - ITG - 30 March 2023 More Winter Games host candidates emerge, IOC says, but won’t name names - Deseret News - 30 March 2023 Switzerland in talks with IOC about hosting the 2030 Winter Olympics - iamexpat.ch - 30 March 2023 Switzerland Declares Itself - Francs Jeux.com - 31 March 2023 IOC official still talking with Canadian Olympic Committee about hosting another Winter Olympics - thebreaker.news - 31 March 2023 IOC welcomes Swedish interest in 2030 Winter Olympics - ITG - 12 Feb 2023 Latvia form working group to consider joining Sweden on 2030 Winter Olympics bid - ITG - 10 March 2023 Never been a Trump supporter but fake news has been around a while and what you jave here is an organization spinning "interest" as though the IOC has solid Olympic hida on the table for 2030. It doesn't. It has Salt Lake who is the only verified candidate ready to go. Here's a history lesson for you. Olympic races have been filled with interested candidates in almost every cycle. That is fact. How many actually make it through all the hoops to become verified and candidates that can be awarded the Games. Ill give you Switzerland and Canada but the reality remains is Switzerland has a hostile attitude towards hosting and any bid that even gets government approval will have to face a referendum. See the list of failed referendums in recent Swiss bids. BC has said no to any funding. Of even further interest is there has been no statement from either the provincial or municipal government about a bid. NOCs can signal interest all they want but until you get government funding and a public on board (only SLC has that right now) the others are just pipe dreams. Suddenly saying hey Canada is interested is no different than the famed "interest" Tulsa SOGs bid that was announced by some local politician. The folks in Lausanne are spinning this as though they suddenly have viable options for 2030 other than SLC. They don't. Not until one of those bids has the government and public support needed. Not a one. Frankly though i don't blame the IOC for their recent spin job. They needed something to distract the media after the Russia thing and what essentially is Bach's "basket of deplorables" rant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Timing of the 2030 Host Election “The question on the timing is interesting. First and foremost, the Future Host Commission has to respond to these three strategic questions that were posed to the Future Host. “ ”EB wants to know if rotation is a good idea, whether 2030 and 2034 makes sense, but also to look – and that’s slightly more complicated – the development of winter sports.” “This work is ongoing. I would anticipate that, first, a report would be made to the Executive Board, then to the Session in Mumbai [in October] … which leads us to a calendar after Mumbai for the election.” “Now if you look at to those parties that come to the table at this point in time, these are very mature, winter markets.” “So, I’m definitely not worried with the timing, knowing that we’re going to go to – as we have with Milano and Cortina – a region or a country that have the infrastructure and are used to organizing high-level events, being World Cups or World Championships.” ”So, we’re not pressed by time for the election.” Credit: The Sports Examiner.com (Olympic Games Executuve Director, Christophe Dubi - 29 March 2023) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, stryker said: Never been a Trump supporter but fake news has been around a while and what you jave here is an organization spinning "interest" as though the IOC has solid Olympic hida on the table for 2030. It doesn't. It has Salt Lake who is the only verified candidate ready to go. Here's a history lesson for you. Olympic races have been filled with interested candidates in almost every cycle. That is fact. How many actually make it through all the hoops to become verified and candidates that can be awarded the Games. Ill give you Switzerland and Canada but the reality remains is Switzerland has a hostile attitude towards hosting and any bid that even gets government approval will have to face a referendum. See the list of failed referendums in recent Swiss bids. BC has said no to any funding. Of even further interest is there has been no statement from either the provincial or municipal government about a bid. NOCs can signal interest all they want but until you get government funding and a public on board (only SLC has that right now) the others are just pipe dreams. Suddenly saying hey Canada is interested is no different than the famed "interest" Tulsa SOGs bid that was announced by some local politician. The folks in Lausanne are spinning this as though they suddenly have viable options for 2030 other than SLC. They don't. Not until one of those bids has the government and public support needed. Not a one. Frankly though i don't blame the IOC for their recent spin job. They needed something to distract the media after the Russia thing and what essentially is Bach's "basket of deplorables" rant This is not about confirmed candidates ready to go, so have patience grasshopper. This is only about the very recent surge in interested parties who are now in discussions with the IOC. That’s all. In time, we will see what comes of this. Right now, the names of 5 of the six seem to be known. Switzerland came out of the dialogue closet and revealed themselves in the last 48 hours. But who is the 6th one? A few posts back we’re trying to guess sho that might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 correction: But who is the 6th one? A few posts back we were trying to guess who that might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quaker2001 Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, AustralianFan said: correction: But who is the 6th one? A few posts back we were trying to guess who that might be. You’re so desparate and needy for the names, you want the names, you’re demanding the names! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AustralianFan Posted March 31, 2023 Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said: You’re so desparate and needy for the names, you want the names, you’re demanding the names! Nah, … just guessing. not demanding, not desperate …… just wondering. There’s absuloutely no question that the IOC do indeed have six interested parties they’re in talks with. We think we know 5 of the 6, but who is the 6th one? The media are on to this and I don’t think it will be too long before a journalist manages to find out. Or the 6th one might out themselves, as Switzerland have just done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustralianFan Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 38 minutes ago, Sigh said: Sochi? Well yes, it’s technically possible for sure that Sochi might be the 6th. But if I was a betting man, and of all the mature winter sports markets, I’d probably go for an Austria, Norway or Germany agead of Sochi, purely because of the current situation. The three I’ve mentioned yes do have public support mountains to climb but I guess that can’t stop them having early talks with the IOC. Especially, with it seems, that their interest may have been piqued with the possibility of a Rotating Host Pool. The potential economic benefits of a regular returning Olympic Winter Games seems to have been the catalyst for this sudden surge in interest in 2030 and beyond. They don’t want to miss the boat….. so here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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