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1 hour ago, Quaker2001 said:

I'm amazed that you're following all this and buying what the IOC is selling. This isn't us trying to cobble together a list of interested parties through media reports. If Dubi is being asked a direct question and he can't answer it, maybe we should be questioning what's going on and not blindly taking him at his word that there might be 6 possibilities out there to host the 2030 Olympics, but he can't say who any of them are

What's amazing is that they're basically the "only one" who's buying into all of this IOC propaganda. They've literally just littered a whole bunch of threads with this ambiguous stuff (to say the least) in less than the last 24 hours alone. I'm starting to think that they're nothing more than a planted AI IOC bot at this point. It's the only reasonable explanation left anymore. Cause it's hard to believe that anyone can be this brainwashed over something that is so trivial to the world at large.

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Now, let’s assume there is truth to all this and Canada (in whatever form) would be back at the table.

Would it even be worth it knowing that it is already all but ensured that 2034 is SLC’s? Twice in North America? Would really expose the dire situation of the IOC after there was already the need to do Asia back-to-back for lack of willing what is still the essential core market winter sports countries in Europe.

Also, all that talk now about six countries/regions/whatever reminds me about what Fencing 1976 said shortly after the failed Munich 2022 referendum: (not literally quoting) “I’m not worried. We have six excellent candidates to choose from.” And we all know how that turned out. Six seems to be a magic number for the IOC.

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So let's see, those six regions/countries/whatever are;

The U.S.

*Canada

Sweden/Latvia

**Japan

South Korea

* "renewed interest"

** on pause

And they can all fall under the guise of "very mature winter markets". So in other words, absolutely nothing new that we didn't already know here.

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2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

I'm amazed that you're following all this and buying what the IOC is selling. This isn't us trying to cobble together a list of interested parties through media reports. If Dubi is being asked a direct question and he can't answer it, maybe we should be questioning what's going on and not blindly taking him at his word that there might be 6 possibilities out there to host the 2030 Olympics, but he can't say who any of them are

It actually looks like from your response that you haven’t read much of the media conference nor actually read the transcript.  From you especially that surprises me because you usually take a more analytical approach of what is taking place, what is beung revealed and why.

It’s surprising that you and a couple of other here in this thread are so busy working yourselves up into a denial frenzy and busily trying to back each other up in a schoolyard pile-on, you’re completely missing the important details while the game goes on without you.

If you actually read the transcripts of the media conference and the exchanges between the IOC and the various journslists , or actually listen to them, you might just have noticed that:

The six interested parties are from very mature Winter markets with existing winter sports infrastructure

  • we can guess the identity of four of them, but who are the other two?

The six interested parties who have come forward to the IOC may increase further with another interested party

  • sounds like a 7th interested party has literally only just approached the IOC very very recently. The existing six, all from mature winter markets and winter sports existing infrastructure, have approached the IOC with their interest in hosting future games since the 6-8 December EB Meeting.

The IOC have to respect their confidentiality and cannot at this stage reveal who the interested parties are.  In these early discussions, the IOC will be guided by the wishes of each of those parties on if and when their name is revealed.

  • fair enough. If I was an interested party wanting to have discussions with the IOC about my country or region’s interest in future Games, I would not want my name to be revealed until I was good and ready. The clue here:  these are early discussions from these parties from mature winter markets who have approached the IOC with their renewed interest.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Guilga said:

In here before the supposed mysterious newcomer is actually China.

I agree. I think China is definitely in this group of interested parties in future games especially a rotating pool if that idea takes hold.

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3 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

It actually looks like from your response that you haven’t read much of the media conference nor actually read the transcript.  From you especially that surprises me because you usually take a more analytical approach of what is taking place, what is beung revealed and why.

It’s surprising that you and a couple of other here in this thread are so busy working yourselves up into a denial frenzy and busily trying to back each other up in a schoolyard pile-on, you’re completely missing the important details while the game goes on without you.

If you actually read the transcripts of the media conference and the exchanges between the IOC and the various journslists , or actually listen to them, you might just have noticed that:

The six interested parties are from very mature Winter markets with existing winter sports infrastructure

  • we can guess the identity of four of them, but who are the other two?

The six interested parties who have come forward to the IOC may increase further with another interested party

  • sounds like a 7th interested party has literally only just approached the IOC very very recently. The existing six, all from mature winter markets and winter sports existing infrastructure, have approached the IOC with their interest in hosting future games since the 6-8 December EB Meeting.

The IOC have to respect their confidentiality and cannot at this stage reveal who the interested parties are.  In these early discussions, the IOC will be guided by the wishes of each of those parties on if and when their name is revealed.

  • fair enough. If I was an interested party wanting to have discussions with the IOC about my country or region’s interest in future Games, I would not want my name to be revealed until I was good and ready. The clue here:  these are early discussions from these parties from mature winter markets who have approached the IOC with their renewed interest.

 

 

The Rotating Host Pool concept:  the IOC Executuve Board advised that they are waiting for the report from the Future Host Commission to advise if this is a good idea or not.  The IOC said the renewed interest in the Winter Games includes attraction to the potential rotating host pool concept

  • I was surprised that Christophe Dubi was quite candid and frank about this last night. The IOC are investigating this concept and discussing with the interested parties but have not committed to a rotating host pool until having considered the Report when it is tabled with the IOC EB.

 

Election of 2030 and 2024 Host:      The IOC indicated last night that following this year’s Mumbai full IOC Session that the pathway to election of the 2030 and possibly also the 2034 host at the following IOC Session.

  • the IOC are clearly heartened and openly reassured about the renewed interest in the 2030 and other future Games.  Looks like the odds of a double 2030/2034 Award at the Session following Mumbai just went up quite dramatically.

 

 

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"Denial frenzy"?! :lol: That's just RICH coming from the likes of you! :P

"Schoolyard pile on"?! :rolleyes: Sorry if the rest of us can/want to think for ourselves, instead of swallowing PR propaganda hook, line & sinker like you so blindly choose to do.

The IOC is trying to sell all of this mumbo-jumbo like a group of used car salesmen. Maybe reflect, that if the rest don't follow, that perhaps there's something majorly wrong with the message that they're so desperately are wanting to 'shove' into people's faces. And that's quite obvious, when so far, regardless of all the IOC's recent rhetoric, there's still no other credible candidate to take on 2030 besides SLC.

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44 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

The six interested parties are from very mature Winter markets with existing winter sports infrastructure

 

  • we can guess the identity of four of them, but who are the other two?

The six interested parties who have come forward to the IOC may increase further with another interested party

  • sounds like a 7th interested party has literally only just approached the IOC very very recently. The existing six, all from mature winter markets and winter sports existing infrastructure, have approached the IOC with their interest in hosting future games since the 6-8 December EB Meeting.

You're proving my point for me.  Why is it that no one seems to know who these "interested parties" are?  Why is the IOC being so secretive about this as if one day completely out of the blue, they'll tell us the 2030 host is a city we haven't been talking about?

So the important detail here is that there are 6 interested parties.  Good job, IOC.  Do those parties even know they're interested?  Are they capable of hosting an Olympics in less than 7 years time?  These aren't early discussions.  If we were talking about 2034 and the IOC wanted to keep things close to the vest, that would be understandable.  But if they're looking for a savior to take care of 2030 for them, maybe confidentiality is NOT the way to go.  And that you don't want to spring this on a country and their citizens with little warning.  What if Sapporo is 1 of these parties?  How would that go if it's so secretive that the public doesn't get to weigh in until it's already too late?

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14 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

You're proving my point for me.  Why is it that no one seems to know who these "interested parties" are?  Why is the IOC being so secretive about this as if one day completely out of the blue, they'll tell us the 2030 host is a city we haven't been talking about?

So the important detail here is that there are 6 interested parties.  Good job, IOC.  Do those parties even know they're interested?  Are they capable of hosting an Olympics in less than 7 years time?  These aren't early discussions.  If we were talking about 2034 and the IOC wanted to keep things close to the vest, that would be understandable.  But if they're looking for a savior to take care of 2030 for them, maybe confidentiality is NOT the way to go.  And that you don't want to spring this on a country and their citizens with little warning.  What if Sapporo is 1 of these parties?  How would that go if it's so secretive that the public doesn't get to weigh in until it's already too late?

You’re so desparate and needy for the names, you want the names, you’re demanding the names!  

Let me let you in on something. You’re acting like a child screaming for their own way.

You don’t like that the IOC are actually respecting the wishes of the actual interested parties from these mature winter markets actually want to keep these discussions confidential at this stage.

 

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8 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

You’re so desparate and needy for the names, you want the names, you’re demanding the names!  

Let me let you in on something. You’re acting like a child screaming for their own way.

You don’t like that the IOC are actually respecting the wishes of the actual interested parties from these mature winter markets actually want to keep these discussions confidential at this stage.

No one is desperate.  A journalist asked a question.  Do you consider him a screaming child?  Perfectly reasonable to ask and yet Dubi couldn't tell us.

You have no idea *why* he couldn't tell us.  You're inventing a narrative about respecting wishes and parroting his "mature winter markets" that the IOC is just feeding you bullshit and your response is "yummy, I want to keep eating."

We all know how you feel about the new norm way of doing things, but at some point, the IOC might want to tell everyone who they're talking to.  If they don't, it's going to lead to an awful lot of bad press if they start engaging with 1 of those parties without any prior knowledge.

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16 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

No one is desperate.  A journalist asked a question.  Do you consider him a screaming child?  Perfectly reasonable to ask and yet Dubi couldn't tell us.

You have no idea *why* he couldn't tell us.  You're inventing a narrative about respecting wishes and parroting his "mature winter markets" that the IOC is just feeding you bullshit and your response is "yummy, I want to keep eating."

We all know how you feel about the new norm way of doing things, but at some point, the IOC might want to tell everyone who they're talking to.  If they don't, it's going to lead to an awful lot of bad press if they start engaging with 1 of those parties without any prior knowledge.

Spit the dummy all you like,  demand the names, demand the names, waste your breath.

But   you  are   not  getting  each  of   their   names until  each  of   those   interested   parties   are   ready   to   tell    you.

 

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12 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Spit the dummy all you like,  demand the names, demand the names, waste your breath.

But   you  are   not  getting  each  of   their   names until  each  of   those   interested   parties   are   ready   to   tell    you.

 

Lol, the guy that's rage posting about this is telling me not to waste your breath.

I really don't care if the IOC names these interested parties or not.  I'm just curious as to why they refuse to answer the question directly (not from me, but from reporters) because the fact they don't is extremely shady. 

Once again, for the folks in the cheap seats.. how interested can a party possibly be if not one knows anything about it?  Let alone that we're talking about an Olympics that would normally have been awarded this summer.  So it's not like they have extra lead time to work with

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4 minutes ago, Sigh said:

Personally I see no point in bothering about the mystery candidates (Sochi?) until they possibly stop lurking in the shadows.

They are not candidates.

They are interested parties in early confidential discussions with the IOC.

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7 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

Lol, the guy that's rage posting about this is telling me not to waste your breath.

I really don't care if the IOC names these interested parties or not.  I'm just curious as to why they refuse to answer the question directly (not from me, but from reporters) because the fact they don't is extremely shady. 

Once again, for the folks in the cheap seats.. how interested can a party possibly be if not one knows anything about it?  Let alone that we're talking about an Olympics that would normally have been awarded this summer.  So it's not like they have extra lead time to work with

“One must have patience, grasshopper”

(from the wise old man in the 70s show Kung Fu)

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Just now, AustralianFan said:

They are not candidates.

They are interested parties in early confidential discussions with the IOC.

Early?  It's 2023!!  Where were all these "interested parties" before?  Suddenly now at the last minute they're interested?  Does it start to make sense why there's a reasonable narrative that the IOC is completely full of cow manure?

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Just now, AustralianFan said:

“One must have patience, grasshopper”

(from the wise old man in the 70s show Kung Fu)

Do you understand how difficult it is to host an Olympics with 7 years lead time?  Being patient is asking a location to host on 6 or maybe even 5 years time.  That's a problem.  Unless you think this is really about climate change and not just about stalling so that the IOC doesn't reveal how screwed they are right now

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Just now, Quaker2001 said:

Early?  It's 2023!!  Where were all these "interested parties" before?  Suddenly now at the last minute they're interested?  Does it start to make sense why there's a reasonable narrative that the IOC is completely full of cow manure?

Yes, yes, yes, they’re suddenly interested now.  Finally you got it.

With a permanent hosting pool possibly in the mix since now do you get why these six winter sports mature markets with lots of infrastructure have commenced or renwed interested in talking with the IOC?
 

 

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Their *NOC's* are the ones "suddenly" interested. Their citizenry & (local) gov't's, not so much (i.e. Sapporo, Vancouver, Sweden, etc). That's a big problem to 'suddenly' overcome in a year's time (which would be the extreme latest the IOC can drag this 2030 show out for).

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23 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, yes, yes, they’re suddenly interested now.  Finally you got it.

With a permanent hosting pool possibly in the mix since now do you get why these six winter sports mature markets with lots of infrastructure have commenced or renwed interested in talking with the IOC?

And this is why "interest" is often meaningless.  I could have renewed interest in dating a supermodel.  Doesn't really get that model any closer to saying yes to me.

But go ahead and keep parroting the "mature markets" as if you would have ever used that phrase before a few days ago

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10 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

And this is why "interest" is often meaningless.  I could have renewed interest in dating a supermodel.  Doesn't really get that model any closer to saying yes to me.

But go ahead and keep parroting the "mature markets" as if you would have ever used that phrase before a few days ago

That’s what’s happening.  Don’t get left behind now.

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