2030 Olympic Winter Games Bids

[AustralianFan]

“Officials in Haute-Savoie, a region in the Alps of eastern France, bordering both Switzerland and Italy, had claimed that, together with Chamonix, the Aosta Valley in Italy and the Swiss canton of Valais, they were investigating the possibility of submitting a bid.”

“But now Chamonix, a French resort at the base of Mont Blanc and which hosted the first Winter Olympic Games in 1924, has announced it is not interested.”

 

[iceman530]

Could another French mountain/resort check all the necessary boxes like Val D'Isere?

[FYI]

The French are very busy right now in trying to deliver a successful Paris 2024. Can't see another Olympic endeavor from them until at least Paris 2024 is in the rear-view mirror, & if mostly goes off without a hitch. So that means 2034 at the earliest for France. The IOC might very well have to at this point, as you like to say, pull that SLC rip-cord if they want to have a 2030 host at all.

[AustralianFan]

1 minute ago, iceman530 said:

Could another French mountain/resort check all the necessary boxes like Val D'Isere?

The response from Chamoix was rather quick I thought, but that’s up to them.

However, there may be other players who would not mind at all to share the costs of an Olympic Winter Games across two or three countries as this.

I think that there’s a lot more to play out regarding new candidates for 2030, particularly joint cross borders proposals.   I’m guessing this can only have sparked more interest.  We’ll wait and see how this and other potential alternative proposals pan out.

[FYI]

With the warmest January ever recorded in Europe this year, will there even be any snow left in the Alps by then anyway? "We'll just have to 'wait & see' how all this pans out".

[AustralianFan]

Could it be that some of the snow venues in this tri-country bid idea may not have been able to meet the average minimum temperature requirement rule anyway to be below freezing over the previous 10 years that the IOC is currently considering introducing?

There’s now many more moving parts ahead of any election of any combination of 2030 Winter Host/s, inlcluding possibly overlaying a new system of rotating pool of Olympic Winter Games Hosts on top of all of this.

 

[FYI]

Even Chamonix officials cited that they were focusing more on things like climate initiatives, rather than on some Olympic project. There are actually more important things to be worried about in this world right now, than some three-week winter-sports festival, to the dismay of perhaps the IOC (& even as much as some of us here like to gush with joy over it). 

[AustralianFan]

A pivotal 12 months or so for the Winter Olympic Games

Consider this pivotal next 12 months.

How will events pan out over the next 12 months or so in the history of the Olympic Movement around how the Winter Games are awarded under new rules which are in turn under the New Norm framework rules:

• a new previous 10-year minimum average temperature rule to be below freezing at snow venues,
• a new rotating pool of permanent hosts,
• a renewed interest in joint bids across international borders than allowed under the old rigid bidding system.

We saw a quick “No” from Chamoix this week, but that does not mean that we won’t see a re-jigged international bid from these players or brand new combinations emerge in the coming 12 months.

There is now the extra time and flexibility between now and 2025 when the postponed Host Election for the 2030 Olympic Winter Games is due to take place.

What I would give to see now in a crystal ball who the candidates end up being at that unique election in the history of the Olympic Winter Games.

[cfm Jeremie]

The IOC never mentioned 2025 for the election of the 2030 host just it wouldn't happen in 2023.

It is more likely that a decision will be made in 2024 (IOC Session in Paris) since an election in summer 2025 would leave only 4 and a half year until winter 2030 which is a little short, even for well prepared cities such as Sapporo or Salt Lake.

[AustralianFan]

42 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

The IOC never mentioned 2025 for the election of the 2030 host just it wouldn't happen in 2023.

It is more likely that a decision will be made in 2024 (IOC Session in Paris) since an election in summer 2025 would leave only 4 and a half year until winter 2030 which is a little short, even for well prepared cities such as Sapporo or Salt Lake.

Incorrect.

Back told reporters on 7 Decmber 2022 in that media conference (see the youtube link in a post this thread) that, in the context of a double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 hosts that it would need to occur no later than 2025.

Bach also said that 4 years was to too short if a 2030 election was to be held in 2026 if he left it to his IOC President successor.

While it is possible for a 2030 election in 2024 I think that is highly unlikely.

The IOC will need every ounce of time between now and 2025 to do all of the below:

1.   have enough time for due consideration of any new candidatures ahead of a double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 Hosts which is very likely to occur just before Bach steps down as IOC President,

AND

2. consider and approve all the intricacies of how exactly the new permanent Olympic Winter hosting pool would work and (which is currently under consideration by the IOC, 

AND

3.  consider, introduce amd gather climate data for the past 10 years of all  potential entrants to the permanent rotating hosting pool, whose minimum average temperatures at snow venues must be below freezing,

AND

4.  conduct dialogue with all poential hosting pool candidatures and then recommend, approve and elect the actual inaugural entrants to the permanant rotating Olympic Winter Games Hosting Pool.  This may require the establishment of a new Hosting Pool Commission if the Pool idea is approved

The IOC will never have been busier and wikk need every second between now and 2025 if it is planning to do all of the above (as discussed at the three IOC EB Media Conferences held last month - Dec 2022)
 

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Summary: 7 December 2022 - IOC Executive Board Meeting - Press Conference

Double Awarding 2030 and 2034 no later than 2025

• “Bach told reporters, cautioning speculation, that he understood a double allocation of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic and Paralympic Games would need to happen no later than 2025”
• “I think it would be too late in ‘26 for a double award. Four years, even if you have extremely well prepared cities and regions four years is pretty short,” he said regarding the timeline.”
• “Earlier this year Bach said the 2034 Games would be awarded by his successor after his term ends in 2025, ensuring good governance. But that changed this week when the IOC’s Future Host Commission raised concerns about climate change impacting potential Winter hosts and proposed new measures to secure “climate-capable” sites for future editions.”

[cfm Jeremie]

And once again, as usual, you fail to mention where the IOC specifically mentioned 2025 for the decision...

Before you posting the same thing over and over again, just read again at what you posted: 2025 is never mentioned (nor is 2024 this I admit). Fact remains : IOC has never explicitely mentioned 2025 for the award. 

[AustralianFan]

32 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

And once again, as usual, you fail to mention where the IOC specifically mentioned 2025 for the decision...

Before you posting the same thing over and over again, just read again at what you posted: 2025 is never mentioned (nor is 2024 this I admit). Fact remains : IOC has never explicitely mentioned 2025 for the award. 

You’re incorrect again.

Bach told reporters on 7 Decmber 2022 in that media conference (see the youtube link in a post this thread) that, in the context of a double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 hosts that it would need to occur no later than 2025.

Bach explicitly said no later than 2025.

You should view the media conferences.  They’re on youtube.

I am expecting that the double awarding of 2030 and 2034 will explicitly occur no later than 2025.  

Bach will then step down.

Mission accomplished.

 

 

 

Bach also said that 4 years was to too short if a 2030 election was to be held in 2026 if he left it to his IOC President successor.

[AustralianFan]

Based on Bach’s comments during the IOC media conferences in December 2022 , this is what I’m estimating how the next 24 months or so might pan out.

2023-2024

• IOC considers, approves and announces new hosting rules for the Olympic Winter Games including the climate-ready rules and the permanent rotating hosting pool framework, guidelines, procedures and timelines

Late 2024

• IOC announces elevation of specific Hosts to Targeted Dialogue for each of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games 

Early 2025    

• Future Host Commission recommends to IOC Executive Board specific candidatures for approval
• IOC EB considers these, approves and announces which Hosts will be put to a Host Election at the next IOC Session

Mid 2025

• Host Elections and double awarding of the 2030 and 2034 Olympic Winter Games
• The 2030 Host/s will likely have hosted previously with most infrastructure in place, will meet the climate rule and will have 5 years to prepare for the Games.
• Bach steps down as IOC President and new IOC President announced.

[StefanMUC]

„No later than 2025“ can mean any day between tomorrow and 31 December 2025.

It does precisely NOT guarantee that it happens in 2025.

[AustralianFan]

Double awarding 2030 & 2034

I think the double awarding of 2030 and 2034 will happen in 2025, immediately before Bach steps down from the Presidency.

There’s a stack of things the IOC need to consider around possible new climate and rotating hosting pool rules, procedures and timelines to sort out and announce before then though.

 

[AustralianFan]

From hostcity.com:

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‘Everyone is concerned’

IOC climate change concerns delay election of 2030 Winter Olympics host and restricts pool of future hosts

“The host of the 2030 Winter Olympic Games will not be elected at next year's IOC Session, to allow more time to study the impact of climate change on prospective hosts.”

“Concerns about the effects of climate change on potential hosts of the Winter Olympics have led the IOC to delay the election of the host of the 2030 Games.”

“Speaking at a press conference following an update from the Future Host Commission for the Olympic Winter Games at the IOC Executive Board meeting in Lausanne, Christophe Dubi, Olympic Games Executive Director said:

“The Commission, building on Agenda 2020, outlined a number of proposals, but also potential uncertainties around hosting the winter Games which could have an impact on future elections.”

“Global warming means the IOC could have a smaller pool of potential hosts of Winter Games to choose from.”

“We have preliminary results on leading academic research on the impact of climate change which shows a potential reduction in the number of climate-reliable hosts in the future,” said Dubi.”

“The IOC Executive Board also heard how winter federations have already started to adjust their event calendars and formats.”

It was also suggested that the Olympic Winter Game hosting rights might rotate “between a certain pool of cities and regions.”

There was also a conversation about further prioritising existing venues in the host selection criteria. “It is felt that for the future we should target hosts that can display all venues to be existing or temporary.”

Another proposal discussed would require future hosts to “show a minimum average of below zero [degrees Celsius] for snow competition venues at the time of the games over a ten-year period.”

“All these being considered, on the request of the Commission, the IOC Executive Board decided to give the Winter Commission more time to study all these factors and opportunities to make the best possible decisions about future hosting.

“It will enable the Commission to consult deeply with interested parties, IFs, NOCs, the athletes, winter sports industry experts and the IPC – because we are operating over a full month and that needs to be considered in a global warming environment.”

“This will give the Commission more time to have a clearer picture and make a sounder decision for 2030.

“This means we are not targeting an election of the host of the Olympic Winter Games 2030 at the 114^th Session in 2023,” said Dubi.

“This is in line with the new flexible approach to electing Olympic hosts under which the Executive Board has the authority to determine the timing of the election in the interest of the Olympic Movement.”

“The Executive Board also discussed the possibility of awarding the hosting rights to 2030 and 2034 simultaneously to “create stability for the winter sport and the Olympic Winter Games.”

“Dubi said “The three interested parties have been informed of those conversations and discussions,” without naming the cities. Sapporo and Salt Lake City are interested parties; Vancouver was out of contention but may be back in the running.”

“The host selection process is still in the “continuous dialogue” stage, Jacqueline Barrett, Director of Future Olympic Games Hosts at the IOC explained.”

“We haven’t opened targeted dialogue yet. So not targeting next year for a session will allow more time to develop these projects before when the commission feels its ready, to open a targeted dialogue.”

“The IOC did not confirm the details of the changed timeframe for opening targeted dialogue, and subsequently electing the host city. “

“We are not going to push this decision many years down the road. We are still in continuous dialogue which is non-committal and open at this stage,” Barrett said.”

“The mandate of the Commission is to ensure that there will always be a healthy pipeline of interest for the future… our door is never closed.”

“There was a collective recognition around the table today… there are these concerns about the future of the Winter Games; the future of being able to practice Winter Games in the future – everyone is concerned about this.”

 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, Aadrew said:

I could see 3 bidding cities very likely for 2030 Almaty Kazakhstan, Sapporo Japan and Salt Lake City USA. 

We won't see Almaty.  That ship has long since sailed

[BigVic]

Almaty tried in 2022 but lost out to Beijing. They've already given up. Would've been a perfect host last year. 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, BigVic said:

Almaty tried in 2022 but lost out to Beijing. They've already given up. Would've been a perfect host last year. 

No, they wouldn't have.  This is still Kazakhstan we're talking about.  They're not free from political strife, so "perfect" is not a word I'd use to describe Almaty.

You know who would have been a perfect host for 2022?.. Salt Lake City.  Understandable that the USOC didn't go that route a decade ago after the Chicago loss and their poor relations with the IOC.  Which is a shame because Salt Lake 2022/LA 2028 would have been separated enough to not cause sponsorship issues.  Obviously it's a hindsight argument, but who would have guessed at the time what a spectacular mess that whole situation was.

[FYI]

Actually, Oslo would've been the "perfect" host for 2022, had the IOC not been such a prima donna with their list of 'demands', & then Norway sent them packing in the end. Or Munich, had they not bailed out early on.

At the time, SLC would've been considered too soon since 2002 anyway. But if we were talking between a hypothetical 2022 vote between SLC, Beijing & A-town, then yes, SLC would've been the obvious choice there.

[AustralianFan]

“The IOC said they would not move on electing a future host in 2023. That leaves the earliest possible election date as the IOC all-members Session planned for July 2024 in Paris just prior to the Olympic Games.”

 

[Quaker2001]

16 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

“The IOC said they would not move on electing a future host in 2023. That leaves the earliest possible election date as the IOC all-members Session planned for July 2024 in Paris just prior to the Olympic Games.”

You lost me at "the IOC said"

They can change course whenever it's convenient for them.  If they think Sweden is a viable bid and they want to move ahead on it, they'll do that before July 2024.  Maybe they save the formal announcement for then, but as we know in the "new norm" era, they can make the announcement whenever they feel like it

[AustralianFan]

3 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

You lost me at "the IOC said"

They can change course whenever it's convenient for them.  If they think Sweden is a viable bid and they want to move ahead on it, they'll do that before July 2024.  Maybe they save the formal announcement for then, but as we know in the "new norm" era, they can make the announcement whenever they feel like it

True, but during the current hiatus, the IOC are considering new and major changes such as what climate warming rules they will introduce for winter hosts including minimum snow venue temperatures, gathering climate data, research, possibly introducing a pool of rotating hosts and exactly how that whole process and procedures will work, etc.  

They will need every minute of that time until the IOC Session just prior to Paris 2024 to get all that done and select a 2030 host under these new rules.

 

[Quaker2001]

19 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

True, but during the current hiatus, the IOC are considering new and major changes such as what climate warming rules they will introduce for winter hosts including minimum snow venue temperatures, gathering climate data, research, possibly introducing a pool of rotating hosts and exactly how that whole process and procedures will work, etc.  

They will need every minute of that time until the IOC Session just prior to Paris 2024 to get all that done and select a 2030 host under these new rules.

You actually believe that?  That this is about concerns about climate change?  Come on, you can't be that naïve to buy into that

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

You actually believe that?  That this is about concerns about climate change?  Come on, you can't be that naïve to buy into that

Sorry that you missed the three consecutive Media Conferences the IOC Executive Board held in the first week of December.

Seriously, what part of this series of announcements by the IOC did you actually miss?

Come on, surely you can’t be that naive that you missed these huge announcements  by the IOC @Quaker2001 ?

Do you honestly think that the only thing the IOC EB/ Future Host Commission is doing right now is day-dreaming about “hmm, I wonder who we should get to host in 2030?”

I don’t care whether you or anyone else likes the IOC or not, that’s irrelevant to what’s actually happening in the real world.

For your revision, so that you are not in any doubt, here is the link to the IOC Executive Board Meetings thread in which are the links to the actual media conferences and actual words of the IOC EB.

Fact:   the IOC have announced and have postponed the selection process for the 2030 Host until at least 2024.

Facts:   the IOC have announced they are considering climate-warming sweeping changes to the Winter Olympic Games Host eligibility, including:

- requirements around average minimum snow temperatures and likely some others that they have not announced yet,

- a rotating host pool of rotating Olympic hosts.

-  the IOC EB have not ruled out a double award of the 2030 and 2030 Games

Fact:  the IOC President says he would prefer the 2030 host is locked in before handing over to his successor in 2025.

No, there’s no way on God’s earth will they will announce, or be in a position to announce a 2030 host before the 2024 IOC Session just ahead of Paris 2024.

And you can quote me on that.