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24 October 2018:

Mr Matt Carroll, CEO Australian Olympic Committee, today addressed the National Press Club in Canberra.

Mr Carroll spoke and then fielded questions. He said that there was an opportunity for a 2032 Summer Olympic Games bid from Australia and hosted by Brisbane / South Eastern Queensland.

He went on to say that by 2032 the Summer Games will have been in the following hemispheres/continents:

Europe / Northern Hemisphere - 2012 London

South America / Southern Hemisphere - 2016 Rio

Asia / Northern Hemisphere - 2020 Tokyo

Europe / Northern Hemisphere - Paris 2024

North America / Northen Hemisphere - 2028 LA

Australia / Southern Hemisphere - 2032 Brisbane ?

 

He went on to say that the weather in Brisbane/SE Queensland during July (northern hemisphere summer) is more suited to hosting an Olympic Games at that time than other more southern Australian cities.

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1 hour ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

 

Here is your 2028 bid thread. apart from a yet to be approved new arena over the Roma Street station nothing has changed.

What has changed since is the awarding of the 2024 and 2028 Ganes, both to 2 northern hemisphere cities and today’s announcement today by AOC.

There is still plenty of time to get a competitive bid together, 7 years,  before the 2032 Games are awarded.

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https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/21/18/04/queensland-news-brisbane-olympics-bid-one-step-closer

( Source: 9News.com.au )

21 February 2019, 

“Green Light Given To Brisbane Olympic Bid”

A bid by Brisbane for the 2032 Olympic Games has taken a big step towards becoming a reality, after a crucial transport and feasibility study gave the project the green light.

The long awaited report, carried out by French company Lagadere and seen by 9 News, says major infrastructure upgrades would be needed for a successful bid, in particular transport and stadiums.

While many see the Olympics as too expensive to host, the study argues upgrades are already needed in the South East, and an Olympics would provide an extra financial return on the projects.

In particular, the report highlights travel times throughout the South East, expressing concern at the length of the commute from the Sunshine Coast to the Gold Coast. It also identifies the M1 between Brisbane and the Gold Coast as being of particular concern.

The Council of Mayors has already recognised that another major stadium would need to be built in addition to Suncorp Stadium.

Brisbane does have time to invest in the projects though, with the International Olympic Committee won't decide on the host until 2025.

The study, which was commissioned in 2016 by the Council of Mayors, also says South East Queensland's stadiums are adequate, but only if they receive upgrades.”

 

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The report indicates only 60% of venues are in place. Major transport upgrades are also required (maybe read it - it's far from a glowing report).

A new main stadium, at least 3 new arenas and we are thousands of hotel rooms short (a shortfall of 20,000 - and that does not include the 15,000 odd needed for media and sponsors).

I can assure you the local voters will demand a say and it will be a hard sell when most people I know here are baffled why we are bidding when Melbourne is practically ready...

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Australian bidding for huge sporting events including Melbourne 1992 Olympic bid, Brisbane 1996 Olympic bid, Sydney 2000 Olympics, 2006 Melbourne CW Games,  2010 Football World Cup bid and 2018 CW Games Gold Coast.

 I know popular votes thave sunk several Olympic bids in the northern hemisphere on recent years.

But in Australia, of these bids above ever went to a popular vote.

That’s the recent history in sportsmad Australia.

Aussies love sport and being on the world stage with big sporting events, including this potential Brisbane 2032 bid.  There’s no indication (yet) that this bid will buck this history and go to a popular vote if a bid is now developed.

SE QLD:  Gold Coast, Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast combined have  thousands of hotel rooms and more will be built if the bid proceeds. 

Lets see what a formal bid comes up with.

You can be assured it won’t be any half-ass bid but a comprehensive, thoroughly prepared and well financed bid.

 

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In Australia, none of those bids ever went to a popular vote (despite the frequency of popular votes /referenda in the northern hemisphere).

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Melbourne is not bidding this time, nor is Sydney. Both are capable to host but you’ve got to be in it to win it and neither currently look to be interested.

Brisbane’s odds of bidding look to be solid now.

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Good on them, even if Melbourne would be more ready sooner. Don’t understand the thought that the Commies were an embarrassment to Australia - apart from the incident in the marathon (freak event, could’ve happened anywhere) & that total clusterfuck of a closing ceremony (surely nothing like that will ever happen again), didn’t it basically go perfectly?

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It is a different political era now. The Queensland Premier today has it made it abundantly clear a bid is not a priority - transport infrastructure is. 

The Gold Coast mayor also today stated that he will not allow any of the expenditure to come from the GC budget.

No new hotels will be built just because we bid. Some will get built if we win the hosting rights. But put it in perspective - the Brisbane Hilton has 200 rooms. Another 100 of that size is required to meet the MINIMUM threshold. Where are they building those? Who will use them post 2032?

A new stadium is a waste. The Broncos and Roar are committed to Suncorp Stadium.  The Lions aren't leaving the Gabba. The new arena proposed for Roma Street is still to submit plans to the council.

The feasibility report states the Games will cost over $5 billion. $1.7 billion from the IOC and $2.7 billion from "local revenue". Leaving this fabled $900 million "cost".

Where is all that local revenue coming from? Ticket sales and local sponsorship? Rubbish.

Melbourne has asked to bid - but the AOC said no due to weather concerns. This feasibility report shows Brisbane can't host due to a logic concern.

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16 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Good on them, even if Melbourne would be more ready sooner. Don’t understand the thought that the Commies were an embarrassment to Australia - apart from the incident in the marathon (freak event, could’ve happened anywhere) & that total clusterfuck of a closing ceremony (surely nothing like that will ever happen again), didn’t it basically go perfectly?

Much, much smaller scale. Ticket sales were healthy but they missed their interstate and international tourist targets by a wide margin. Basically the locals turned up. Lots of delays transport wise between the GC and Brisbane. They were OK but did not come across as an international calibre event.

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I know Queensland is having a very hard time in building a coal mine and the Australian political leadership is so unstable right now they are likely to have 8 Prime Ministers in under 12 years it's like the Italy of the south now it's not the 1990s any more it will be very hard to get a bid like Brisbane support if they can't even build the coal mine in Queensland now what hope do they have for the Olympic Games. 

Brisbane does not really need a big oval sports stadium the AFL and cricket hardly sells out the Gabba the only real options for Australia right now is Melbourne and Perth the new Perth Stadium can be expanded to 80,000 seats the only issue with them cities are the timing of the dates.

Jakarta Indonesia is right now the strongest Southern Hemisphere bid the Asian Games was a massive plus for them good economy in Indonesia the 2032 race will be likely be between Indonesia and China will the IOC want to go to a new market with the 4th largest population in the world or go back to an establish country like China and continue the developments of sports in a new city the financial hub of a country of 1.4 billion people.

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On 2/22/2019 at 7:10 PM, thatsnotmypuppy said:

The report indicates only 60% of venues are in place. Major transport upgrades are also required (maybe read it - it's far from a glowing report).

A new main stadium, at least 3 new arenas and we are thousands of hotel rooms short (a shortfall of 20,000 - and that does not include the 15,000 odd needed for media and sponsors).

I can assure you the local voters will demand a say and it will be a hard sell when most people I know here are baffled why we are bidding when Melbourne is practically ready...

You throw every bit of alternative accommodation in there. Hostels, camping grounds, caravan parks, even cruise ships and home stays. For the media, a purpose built village and sub villages should be built, they should be able to cope without the need to be accommodated in precious hotel space. 

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Feasibility Study Supports A Brisbane 2032 Olympic Bid That Could Cost AUD $5.3 Billion

By Robert Livingstone | Published Feb 22, 2019 8:39 AM

https://gamesbids.com/eng/summer-olympic-bids/future-summer-bids/feasibility-study-supports-a-brisbane-2032-olympic-bid-that-could-cost-aud-5-3-billion/

A 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games bid by Australia’s South-east Queensland and led by Brisbane would be an important catalyst to much-needed transportation improvements in the region, and could leverage existing facilities to cut other costs – this according to a commissioned feasibility report released Thursday by French company Lagadere.

The 265-page report outlines a plan to upgrade as many as 60 percent existing venues, add temporary seating where possible and build at least one new stadium.  But the plan is contingent on the separate delivery of major transport projects that are needed to protect the state from future gridlock.

The report suggests that coupled with an Olympics, those projects can benefit from an increased financial return.

The operating cost for the Games is estimated at AUD $5.3 billion (USD $3.77 billion) which could be partially funded by a $1.7 billion cash and in-kind contribution from the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and $2.7 billion in domestic revenue leaving a tax-funded deficit of about $900 million.

The Commonwealth Games hosted in Gold Coast last year had a net cost of $1.2 billion, but that bottom line was not supported by a contribution from the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF).  The IOC contributes funds to the organization of an Olympic Games based on a share of broadcast revenue, much of which is already locked in for 2032.

On Friday Queensland’s Premier Annastasia Palaszczuk underlined the need for strong support from all level of government before moving forward.

She said, according to the Sydney Morning Herald “first and foremost, there would have to be agreement on all levels of government.

“Secondly we would have to see a very strong contribution from the federal government, the likes of which we saw for the Sydney Olympics, and we have not had any of those conversations with the federal government.”

“And thirdly I don’t think Queenslanders want an Olympics just concentrated in the south-east.

“We’re a very big state and it would have to be inclusive of Queensland.”

The Premier promised to examine the newly-released report in further detail.

Brisbane’s lord mayor Graham Quirk said a bid was first considered based on the IOC’s recent efforts to reduce the costs under the organization’s Olympic Agenda 2020 reform package.

“We were keen to see whether SEQ could deliver a cost-effective plan to host the Olympic Games by reusing the region’s existing facilities, and in turn, creating a catalyst for infrastructure delivery and job creation,” Quirk said.

“This study has shown that SEQ could mount a successful bid without the need to build venues just for an Olympic Games.

“In doing so, we would be able to keep costs to a minimum while maximizing the potential benefits and legacies for the region.”

The report outlines plans for Brisbane to host 21 of the venues with the Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast each providing five and Ipswich and Toowoomba two.  Three other venues would be leveraged elsewhere in the region.

Brisbane would be home for the main Olympic Village with athletes also housed in additional facilities in the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast

https://gamesbids.com/eng/summer-olympic-bids/future-summer-bids/feasibility-study-supports-a-brisbane-2032-olympic-bid-that-could-cost-aud-5-3-billion/

 

 

 

 

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Check out my post on Skyscrapercity's 2032 Olympics thread.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=158269620&postcount=259

I think Brisbane could pose a significantly stronger bid/plan with some innovation involved. Let's assume that a new arena is already built or being built come bid time. You don't factor in these costs for the overall plan. The 250 odd million or so on a new arena could be spent in upgrading Suncorp Stadium/Lang Park. Put a retractable roof on it and it could host indoor sports in 2 divided halls like Georgia Dome did for the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. These two halls could host Basketball, Gymnastics and Swimming, Waterpolo respectively. 

Make it more compact using Sunshine Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast and Toowoomba only. No outer Brisbane suburbs like Logan or Ipswich. Perhaps just make them live sites. 

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Could and should are different things. Could Brisbane theoretically host the Olympics? Yes. But if you run down the list of the major facilities the Olympics require and the facilities that either exist or make sense for Brisbane, they don't overlap much.

Brisbane's professional sports teams have no use for a 60,000+ seat stadium. Retrofitting Suncorp Stadium for basketball, gymnastics and swimming is a project that would likely never be useful again after the Olympics. And there's no reason to assume that a large new arena will be built. Why spend all of that money on facilities that will only be useful for a three week festival? 

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6 hours ago, Nacre said:

Could and should are different things. Could Brisbane theoretically host the Olympics? Yes. But if you run down the list of the major facilities the Olympics require and the facilities that either exist or make sense for Brisbane, they don't overlap much.

Brisbane's professional sports teams have no use for a 60,000+ seat stadium. Retrofitting Suncorp Stadium for basketball, gymnastics and swimming is a project that would likely never be useful again after the Olympics. And there's no reason to assume that a large new arena will be built. Why spend all of that money on facilities that will only be useful for a three week festival? 

A retractable roof on Suncorp Stadium greatly boosts a bid as providing a solution for indoor sports and swimming. 

The legacy goes beyond the Olympics. Brisbane now has a large multi use indoor facility for indoor concerts and major sporting events. It can be closed when it rains and during the hot summer. I see it as the only feasible way of solving the arena issue without the need of building more arenas. 

Brisbane only needs a new modern arena downtown. Should Thas project not go ahead, Suncorp with a retractable roof is still an option. 

If Melbourne can solve their arena "problem" with Marvel/Docklands Stadium, Brisbane can pose a far serious bid with Suncorp having a roof. 

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Australia must get behind 2032 Games before bidding: IOC president

Credit - Brisbane Times, 4 May 2019:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/australia-must-get-behind-2032-games-before-bidding-ioc-president-20190504-p51k2d.html

International Olympic Committee president Thomas Bach says Australia must decide whether it wants to 'host the entire world' once more before it makes a final call about diving headlong into a bid for the 2032 Games.

Bach was in Sydney to address the annual general meeting of the Australian Olympic Committee. It was the first time a sitting IOC president had done so and Bach also fronted a press conference where he addressed a suite of local and more global Olympic issues.

Australia last hosted the Games in 2000 but Brisbane and the surrounding regions of Queensland's south-east are contemplating a bid. Paris and Los Angeles will host in 2024 and 2028 with Queensland a potential site for the next installment.

A feasibility study by regional mayors said SEQ could host a Games but it would require $900m, not including vital upgrades to road and rail links. Brisbane's then Lord Mayor, Graham Quirk, said that figure was less than the cost of hosting the Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast in 2018.

Bach said he was impressed with initial details, which conform to the Olympic Agenda 2020 ideals that require potential hosts to make use of existing venues, but there was a more fundamental decision to be made at the various levels of government.

"We can't go into details at this very early stage. What I can read is that this concept is really reflecting the reforms of Olympic Agenda 2020 by making excellent use of existing facilities," Bach said.

"There would be no need to have any infrastructure being built for the purpose of the Games. This would lead to, I think, a pretty strong candidature. As has to be taken into consideration at the first stage is, for the Australians to say, 'Yes, we want to be a host to the entire world'.

"That's the first decision. Yes, we want to host all athletes from the 206 national Olympic committees. If this will is clear, then the reforms offer them the chance for that to come true.

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Brisbane Times,  6 May 2019

Lord of the Olympic rings says SEQ could host Games 'for free'

The president of the powerful International Olympic Committee is "pretty impressed" with the level of detail in south-east Queensland's feasibility study into hosting the 2032 Games.

With a motorcade of imposing all-black luxury vans parked out front of City Hall, IOC president Thomas Bach met Brisbane's new lord mayor Adrian Schrinner, telling him south-east Queensland could host an Olympic Games essentially for free.

And when asked if 32 years would be enough time between two Australian Olympic Games - the same time period between Atlanta 1996 and the coming Los Angeles event in 2028 - the IOC president answered simply, "yes".

Dr Bach and Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates are in Queensland for SportAccord 2019, one of the world's largest events for sporting and event officials, being held on the Gold Coast this week.

The Olympic supremos rolled into Brisbane on Monday to meet with Cr Schrinner, who chairs the Council of Mayors South East Queensland, as well as Brisbane's former lord mayor, Graham Quirk.

The Council of Mayors is considering a multi-city bid for the Olympic Games with events across Brisbane, the Sunshine Coast, the Gold Coast, Ipswich, Toowoomba, Redland, Moreton Bay and Logan instead of the traditional single-city bid.

feasibility study commissioned by the group revealed a total operating budget of $5.3 billion.

It was expected the cost could be offset by a $1.7 billion contribution from the International Olympic Committee and $2.7 billion of domestic revenue, leaving a net cost of $900 million.

However, it was on Monday revealed the International Olympic Committee would pitch in more cash than expected.

Dr Bach said the committee would contribute US$1.8 billion to the Los Angeles Olympic Games to be held in 2028.

"At least so far we have no indication that this will be less for 2032," he said.

"I think this figure was new to the mayors and I could see them starting calculating in their heads and what this means for their feasibility study and for their budget."

That translates to $2.58 billion coming in from the International Olympic Committee if south-east Queensland went ahead with the Games, rather than the $1.7 billion previously expected during the feasibility study.

The net figure excludes the cost of infrastructure, including public transport, which Cr Schrinner said was already needed for the growing region.

"The operating costs of the Games can be done in a cost-neutral manner," Cr Schrinner said.

"This is a better outcome than we anticipated in our feasibility report."

Last year's Gold Coast Commonwealth Games cost $1.2 billion.

Dr Bach said the committee was "pretty impressed" with how detailed south-east Queensland's studies were but he did not want to compare it with other cities' planning because the 2032 Games were still 13 years away.

Cr Schrinner said he did not believe a decision would need to be made on whether to progress to a formal bid until 2020.

"The next step is getting the state and federal governments involved, we have been working closely with them already," he said.

Gold Coast mayor Tom Tate said the city would be happy to make its facilities available for the Olympic bid.

"However, I said that we won't be adding any dollars towards the funding part because we did a lot of our heavy lifting during the Commonwealth Games as far as our funding and budget's concerned," he said.

"It's time that Gold Coast takes a break and lets Brisbane write the cheques."

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk, who will meet with Dr Bach on Tuesday, said any decision to stage a bid would be on the basis that it was in the best interests of "all of Queensland".

"If there is to be a successful bid to host the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games in south-east Queensland, it will require support from all levels of government - local, state and federal - as well as the private sector," she said.

A potential Olympic Games bid for south-east Queensland was first flagged in 2015.

Australia last hosted an Olympic Games in 2000, when Sydney was the host city.

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I think this is seismic. It might not look like more than an IOC President saying ‘please bid’ but given the current (yet another) review into the bidding process, the link to Coates, the opportunity for a reboot created by the very long gap between Summer bid processes, & in particular the constant comments from Bach about producing ‘too many losers’ with the current process, I suspect that we are seeing the start of the IOC adopting the IAAF’s model of hand-picking host cities without a bid process or election. They seem to have locked their sights on Queensland since the Commonwealth Games, & with the two candidates for 2026 & Salt Lake looking ready for 2030, the Winter Games are out of mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if these introductory talks turn into very serious negotiations & plan-making soon. 

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Which sounds good in theory until you have a Shanghai or Dubai lobbing into a race.  If the IOC doesn't need to give up $2+ billion they wont.  It really isn't something a bidding city should build a bid on.  Crunch your numbers, take it to the public and if it all makes sense and the locals want the Games then you go forward.

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To me it doesn't seem terribly wise for a city as small as Brisbane to bid (the entire state of Queensland has only 36.4% of the population of the London metropolitan area), but if Brisbane can host without building any white elephant facilities then it could work. And as the spearhead of a new model for the IOC a Brisbane games could potentially put the Olympics within reach of cities like Liverpool, Copenhagen, Casablanca, Durban, et al.

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That’s all fine & dandy in theory. But since 2000, the Summer Olympics have gone, & will go to for at least the next three summer cycles, to either very large cosmopolitan or financial/political capitals. And I don’t see the IOC diminishing their ways that drastic anytime soon. Also, in order for those type of smaller cities to actually host, the size of the Games need to be drastically reduced, which would be a fight among all the different sporting federations as to which sports would get to stay, or not. It’s all easier said than done.

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Didn't someone from the IOC (JAS jr.?) already say Calgary could host "for free"? Well, we all know how that one ended.

I do agree though that the IOC could be well-advised to go for a "targeted" approach and talk to cities and see what's possible and what's not instead of just waiting which crazy-money spending dictatorship is willing to offer itself. Though of course that would be a radical change of mind (and probably loss of money) for the folks in Lausanne.

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On 5/7/2019 at 9:40 PM, StefanMUC said:

Didn't someone from the IOC (JAS jr.?) already say Calgary could host "for free"? Well, we all know how that one ended.

I do agree though that the IOC could be well-advised to go for a "targeted" approach and talk to cities and see what's possible and what's not instead of just waiting which crazy-money spending dictatorship is willing to offer itself. Though of course that would be a radical change of mind (and probably loss of money) for the folks in Lausanne.

Christophe Dubi said hosting the Olympics in Calgary would cost nothing (it's not the first time he's had speaking gaffes and if the IOC was smart they'd keep him as far from a  microphone as possible).  While the targeted approach makes some sense, I still think if the IOC wants Australia (and I think they do as the media market is simply too large not to go back to) they are aiming at the wrong city. A Brisbane bid would be far too costly with too many unused venues (Brisbane does not need another 600,000+ stadium). I've said it before that Melbourne is their best most cost-effective option. Yes I am aware of the weather issue, but if the IOC is willing to bend the bidding rules they can bend the time frame for a few weeks. This Australia not Qatar. Australia has the media market to make it work.

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