Future Olympic Hosts

[FYI]

1 minute ago, baron-pierreIV said:

No; not really. Wow; so confrontational -- over a tier-G Indian city.  

Ummm, you're the one that started this 'confrontation' with your overzealous claims. 

3 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

PLUS there was Savannah and Charleston were there--if the need for docks were needed.  DUH!! 

Atlanta to Savannah - 250 miles

Atlanta to Charleston - 310 miles

Ahmedabad to Mumbai - 280 miles - DUH!!

6 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I mean, you and sebastien go honeymoon in AHmedabad.  No one's stopping you -- least of all me.  

Such a silly, childish & "confrontational" comment. 

[yoshi]

Just a silly thought but given that it's Modi's home state (possibly home city, I don't know), there's not much you could really put past him, his seeming love of a big project, plus how massive the pollution and congestion problems in Delhi are...I wonder if there's a chance Ahmedabad might even be India's capital by 2036? Capital cities have been moved for lesser problems than Delhi has tbh. Can't lie, I'd still be more excited for Mumbai though. 

Edited May 25, 2024 by yoshi

[FYI]

That's actually plausible. Indonesia is basically moving theirs cause Jakarta is sinking.

I think most (including myself), though, have added that either Delhi or Mumbai would be the preference. But it is, what it is. If Brisbane can host an Olympics, than why not Ahmedabad. And at least in this case, it would actually serve a much bigger purpose, rather than just satisfying the whims of a certain single individual.

[FYI]

5 minutes ago, FYI said:

That's actually plausible. Indonesia is basically moving theirs cause Jakarta is sinking.

*And want to center a 2036 Olympic bid around the new capital.

[Sir Rols]

I’d wager that most of us here would be more enthused by Mumbai or Delhi than Ahmedabad, but the IOC can only go with what’s offered to them, and Ahmedabad is where the Indian’s are focussing their sporting investments and energies at the moment. On the plus side, it’s probably the best chance to get an old style Olympic Park in the “New Norm” era. And Mumbai will probably end up getting a package of coastal events - sailing, ocean canoeing etc, and perhaps more. If the Indians stick with surfing, Goa’s probably also the go-to.

You can’t force the Olympics on a city that’s not equipped for them, doesn’t want them or doesn’t have the political will or backing for them. I’d guess that most of us non-American’s top US wish city would be New York, but we’re always told that’s unlikely. Dubai’s the more appealing touristic-wise over Doha, but Doha’s the one chasing all the big sports hostings its wealth can grab. By the time China comes around again, many here would likely be happy with Shanghai, but it’s likely they’d just put up Beijing again, because “New Norm” and “all largesse and glory flows from the capital by the graces of the great Chinese Communist Party” (heck, I’d have been less negative about 2022 if it had been Harbin rather than Beijing, but party doctrine dictates otherwise).

Edited May 25, 2024 by Sir Rols

[FYI]

I wish that Sportzguy was still around here. He hasn't been in like over a year. He was always posting stuff about Ahmedabad when he was around. But I think a lot of us chased him away (including myself) before certain revelations have been made as of late, & before learning a bit more about the city itself. Cause now, Ahmedabad doesn't seem as laughable (well, minus one silly goose) as it may have seemed just a couple of years ago.

[baron-pierreIV]

4 hours ago, FYI said:

Ummm, you're the one that started this 'confrontation' with your overzealous claims. 

Atlanta to Savannah - 250 miles

Atlanta to Charleston - 310 miles

Ahmedabad to Mumbai - 280 miles - DUH!!

Such a silly, childish & "confrontational" comment. 

Yup, going on my IGNORE list.  Schmuck!! 

[baron-pierreIV]

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

Just a silly thought but given that it's Modi's home state (possibly home city, I don't know), there's not much you could really put past him, his seeming love of a big project, plus how massive the pollution and congestion problems in Delhi are...I wonder if there's a chance Ahmedabad might even be India's capital by 2036? Capital cities have been moved for lesser problems than Delhi has tbh. Can't lie, I'd still be more excited for Mumbai though. 

They just unveiled a NEW CONGRESS building in Delhi -- and you want them to move?   The new Indira Gandhi Int'l Airport serving Delhi is supposedly state-of-the-art and one of the 5 largest in the world now -- and you want them to move?    Is everyone here on Modi's payroll?? 

[FYI]

19 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Yup, going on my IGNORE list.  Schmuck!! 

Oh no!  Okay, AF (I mean Myles).

15 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Is everyone here on Modi's payroll?? 

Yes, that’s it! NOTHING gets passed you. 

[yoshi]

11 hours ago, FYI said:

That's actually plausible. Indonesia is basically moving theirs cause Jakarta is sinking.

I think most (including myself), though, have added that either Delhi or Mumbai would be the preference. But it is, what it is. If Brisbane can host an Olympics, than why not Ahmedabad. And at least in this case, it would actually serve a much bigger purpose, rather than just satisfying the whims of a certain single individual.

Well it still kinda would be for one individual, that individual being Modi - & it'd be settling the debt that Bach seems to owe the Ambani family, I don't know the exact nature of that but their name floats around 2036 discussion. Delhi or Mumbai would probably be a bit less about the glorification of Modi & more about India the country, one reason why I'd rather it was one of those tbh, as anyone who followed the Cricket World Cup last year would see. But given that most of the ideas like Germany or Madrid seem completely out, even Istanbul looks to have faded, so it's basically Ahmedabad or Doha... and it all delays things another few years to increase the chances that Bach won't get to settle his biggest debt - the one with P*tin. 

Also I didn't know about a new Congress building in Delhi, I guess they won't be doing an Indonesia anytime soon. 

[baron-pierreIV]

4 hours ago, yoshi said:

Also I didn't know about a new Congress building in Delhi, I guess they won't be doing an Indonesia anytime soon. 

Here goes . . . 
 

 

[FYI]

9 hours ago, yoshi said:

Well it still kinda would be for one individual, that individual being Modi - & it'd be settling the debt that Bach seems to owe the Ambani family, I don't know the exact nature of that but their name floats around 2036 discussion. Delhi or Mumbai would probably be a bit less about the glorification of Modi & more about India the country, one reason why I'd rather it was one of those tbh, as anyone who followed the Cricket World Cup last year would see. But given that most of the ideas like Germany or Madrid seem completely out, even Istanbul looks to have faded, so it's basically Ahmedabad or Doha... and it all delays things another few years to increase the chances that Bach won't get to settle his biggest debt - the one with P*tin. 

While that's true, it's at least still for India, a country that's now surpassed China in the population dept. (& that gap will surely be bigger by the time 2036 comes around) that is yet to host, VS a country with a relative very small population that's going to host it's third Olympic Games in only 32 years after their last one. That picture seems so lopsided.  But in Ahmedabad's case, they already have their (huge) stadium & are already underway in constructing their sport facilities precinct, all before being anointed hosts. Whereas JC basically just threw the Olympics at Brisbane, & then told them, just handle it. 

Plus, there's a few other past Olympics that can also be mainly attributed to just one person really; P*tin with Sochi, JAS with Barcelona & also Beijing. He was really keen on Beijing winning 2000, & was quite ticked off when that didn't happen (& ironically enough, who do we really have to thank for that one )! Then comes the race for 2008 (which he then invited them to bid again himself), & Beijing runs away with it then. Go figure. And speaking of Beijing, it seems the Chinese also don't like to share their Olympic spotlight with any other cities. Which is bizarre (but not really, when you consider how controlling the CCP is), considering there's quite a few mega cities in China that would dwarf even Ahmedabad, & would be more attractive than Beijing. Shanghai & Guangzhou quickly come to mind there.

As far as the Ambani's go, I know that they're a billionaire ($$) Indian family, which have been playing footsie with Bach lately. I also know that one of them is also one of two of the IOC members from India. So I mean, there's quite several boxes that are being ticked off here as of late, & are still being ticked. And as others have also mentioned (besides myself), all the not-so subtle signs are there for everyone to see. And whoever doesn't see them, is either because they're either blind, or they have their (bias) blinders on. I'm also starting to think that Bach may want India as part of his legacy, just like JAS with China & Rogge with South America. Qatar is another one, but I think Bach & Co. are going to tread a bit more careful there, but who knows, since the Qatari's aren't that willing next time around to be so easily dissed yet again. 

9 hours ago, yoshi said:

I guess they won't be doing an Indonesia anytime soon. 

They're really small potatoes (in the BNC world of the 'new-norm'), just like all the others who aren't India or Qatar. For starters, it's not like Bach & Co. have any real debts to settle with Indonesia, etc.

[baron-pierreIV]

More on developing Delhi --
 

 

[yoshi]

Not sporting development though - all that does seem to be Ahmedabad. Also I was referring to Indonesia as a country that's moving the capital city, rather than bidding to host. I know they were considering it with the new capital but a) Ahmedabad does exist as a city & b) like you say, Bach doesn't owe anything to anyone in Indonesia. 

[sebastien1214]

In any case, even if Bach owed something to Indonesia, I doubt that in 2036 Nusantara will be sufficiently advanced to claim to be able to organize the Olympics. They should rather aim for 2044 or 2048 (I imagine that 2040 is promised to Europe).

[FYI]

Besides Nusantara not being ready in time, you can only promise, in this case, only one party at a time anyway (not two, or three). Cause only one country is going to get 2036. 

As far as Europe being 'promised' 2040, I'd imagine that's more of a slippery slope, considering the bidding track records from democratic countries from there in recent years have that been far from stellar, particularly on the summer side (the IOC really lucked out with Paris 2024). So delving in feet first there, would seem to be premature at this point.

I've said once before, which would go more into making 'settling debts', making more than one party happy at once, that some sort of 'double' could play out again in awarding both India & Qatar an Olympics. Therefore, completely shutting out Europe for 20 years, so by that point, they'd be starving for an Olympics (since Europe has never gone more than 12 years without a Summer Games) & they'd be much more receptive again of the demands that the Games entail. Just a random thought, but wouldn't put it past BNC at this point (in the 'new-norm' era) if that was their angle, in order in a way to get back at them for all the referendums & bad PR that was associated with all that.

9 hours ago, yoshi said:

Not sporting development though - all that does seem to be Ahmedabad.  

What I meant by that, is Ahmedabad would be an Olympics for India. Just like Beijing was an Olympics for China. And Rio was an Olympics for Brazil (& South America as a whole). The Brazilians, after all, carried 'the map' quite effectively during their 2016 bid campaign. 

[Australian Kiwi]

On 5/25/2024 at 9:28 AM, FYI said:

I'm sure many said the same thing about Seoul, Barcelona & Atlanta back then, too. And it's not like Brisbane is some sort of tourist hot spot, either. For all the talk around here of Olympic "transformation" that the Games can bring to a city, I'm starting to see that can actually be the case with Ahmedabad as well. Plus, it actually sounds more Indian than Delhi or Mumbai. 

Brisbane itself is not - but its a major hub for tourism: the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast are nearby. I expect much of the marketing for 2032 to be centred upon Queensland itself - which is a big part of 'Brand Australia'.

[SportLightning]

Charlotte (North Carolina, USA) is interested of hosting the 2040 edition.

https://sports.yahoo.com/could-charlotte-host-2040-olympics-215555981.html

[FYI]

 The PanAm's is one thing, but NOT the Olympics!

[Roger87]

On 5/27/2024 at 8:16 AM, sebastien1214 said:

In any case, even if Bach owed something to Indonesia, I doubt that in 2036 Nusantara will be sufficiently advanced to claim to be able to organize the Olympics. They should rather aim for 2044 or 2048 (I imagine that 2040 is promised to Europe).

Indonesia can perfectly wait for at least late 2040s. 

Now, for the Europe side, if Turkey is not picked, the only country (Not named Russia) which would be willing to bring that thirst is mostly Italy considering their recent push for different events. Now, if the recent economic and political revisions for the next years are true Poland may be in a better position, but it will take some years.