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Well NZ & Canada have their own thread, so why not a joint home for our gaggle of countries - for some of whom this is the only chance to shine on the global sporting stage. I know it's day 4, but better late than never, eh? Here's where we all are as at now:

England: 14 gold, 13 silver, 6 bronze (7 behind Australia - it's already looking like the Ashes are going back down under)

Scotland: 3 gold, 6 silver, 6 bronze

Wales: 2 gold, 3 silver, 1 bronze

None of the others are in yet :(

Bring on Day 4!

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10 hours ago, yoshi said:

Well NZ & Canada have their own thread, so why not a joint home for our gaggle of countries - for some of whom this is the only chance to shine on the global sporting stage. I know it's day 4, but better late than never, eh? Here's where we all are as at now:

England: 14 gold, 13 silver, 6 bronze (7 behind Australia - it's already looking like the Ashes are going back down under)

Scotland: 3 gold, 6 silver, 6 bronze

Wales: 2 gold, 3 silver, 1 bronze

None of the others are in yet :(

Bring on Day 4!

Hooray for Rhys McClenaghan, emphatically breaking Northern Ireland's duck with a Pommel Horse gold !

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Nobody expected NI's first gold to come like that! And nobody expected Scotland's Duncan Scott to beat Chad Le Clos to gold, as just happened - I'll update the medals at the end of the day, but with gold for Wales & England too it's been a good day for the home nations on the Coast :)

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So at the end of another day in the games, here's where we stand:

England: 19 gold, 19 silver, 9 bronze (Ashes: 31-19 :ph34r:)

Scotland: 6 gold, 7 silver, 10 bronze

Wales: 3 gold, 4 silver, 3 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, nothing else. Welcome to the medal table anyway :)

 

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Yes, a great moment for him & them. And many more like that in the gym today - 9 home nation medals there, & in the pool, something even more seismic - Adam Peaty lost a race :o Lovely to see the Welsh gold there though not long ago. In fact, a big day for Wales generally, 3 golds meaning they're only below Scotland on silvers. A busy day's business, finishing up like this:

England: 22 gold, 25 silver, 16 bronze (Ashes: 39-22 - thought they'd want revenge for Glasgow)

Scotland: 6 gold, 8 silver, 11 bronze

Wales: 6 gold, 6 silver, 4 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 0 silvers, 1 bronze (and no boxing yet - good to see NI diversifying into different sports for medals)

Still nothing for the islands, sadly - it's always nice to see them in the table as it's their only big event.

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I know these games have been a bit low-key here on the board (& in the UK because time zones) but I thought this thread would get some of us talking, at least. Anyway, at the end of day 6, here's the setup, with the big news being Wales overtaking Scotland to be second in our mini-table:

England: 24 gold, 29 silver, 21 bronze (Ashes: 50-24. Yes, we've been lapped :ph34r:)

Wales: 7 gold, 8 silver, 7 bronze

Scotland: 6 gold, 10 silver, 12 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 0 silvers, 1 bronze

And the islands still sadly absent - I don't know if there are even any chances in the rest of the Games for them. Shoutout for Dan Halksworth of Jersey though for competing in 3 different Games in 3 different sports :)

Here's the BBC roundup of things, complete with details of England's cycling administrators being spectacularly inept: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43710507

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6 hours ago, yoshi said:

I know these games have been a bit low-key here on the board (& in the UK because time zones) but I thought this thread would get some of us talking, at least.

From an English viewpoint, the less said the better :wacko:

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Commonwealth Games: ‘Tiny island nation of England is not doing so good’

Team England ticked very few boxes at the Commonwealth Games on Tuesday, from the support officials who incomprehensibly botched the entry form for the cyclist Melissa Lowther to the athletes who became the latest high-profile names to fail to win medals.

With 390 athletes and 198 support staff, the England party is the largest ever sent from home shores to a sporting event, comfortably eclipsing the Great Britain team which travelled to the 2016 Olympics. At a cost of £5m of taxpayers’ and national lottery money to cover a preparation camp in Brisbane, flights, kit and other expenses, it has not come cheap. As the established names, arguably those most likely to inspire the future generation, continued to fall by the wayside on Tuesday through injury or lack of performance, it became increasingly difficult to defend that sum.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/10/commonwealth-games-england-not-doing-so-good-largest-team-5m

 

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3 hours ago, JMarkSnow2012 said:

From an English viewpoint, the less said the better :wacko:

 

Always expectations v reality. 

If a certain target isn't reached everyone starts pointing fingers. I'd be quite happy with the result so far for England... Remembering the badgering you all gave Australia four years ago... And now reaping the consequences of them hosting a Home games with a vengeance. 

In four years time it will be your turn again. England just has to be ready for it. 

IMO I do believe England has fallen back a little but I am disappointed in Scotland and Wales. And where are the off shore  Home islands? A classic case of the locals moving to the mainland to succeed? 

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"As the established names, arguably those most likely to inspire the future generation, continued to fall by the wayside"

Ever since this one was wheeled out with London's 2012 Olympic bid its become such a tired, meaningless narrative. England/Team GB will be fine. Naturally they'll go through ups and downs in the years that follow the hugeness of 2012 (similar to Australia's comedown about a decade following Sydney 2000). At least you guys have 2022 for a shot in the arm! :)

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I'm hoping the high spirits of 2018 motivates Australia to kick back into form in Tokyo - I don't expect to hit the same mark our 4th placing in Sydney and Athens but hopefully something between 6th and 8th finish might be possible.

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To be honest I doubt even the most ardent England fans expected to win the Ashes down under. I also doubt anyone expected Australia to bounce back from Glasgow in quite such astounding style - especially in the pool (a level of dominance rarely seen in any Games) - & that might be making England's performance seem worse than it is. I'd be interested in some comparisons with this stage in previous Games. But the story of the games for the home nations IMO is how well Wales have done already. Plus Scotland reached their target of a best overseas games ever today. 

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12 hours ago, Alexjc said:

If a certain target isn't reached everyone starts pointing fingers.

It's not so much about formal targets as a sense that progress is no longer being made. We saw the same sort of thing with Team GB in PyeongChang; hitting a wall which probably can't be broken simply by throwing lottery money at it.

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And after a day 7 where Scotland made their history, & the home nations reserved 10 medals for later, here's the new standings:

England: 25 gold, 30 silver, 21 bronze (Ashes: Let's not :P 57-25 if you really want the score)

Scotland: 7 gold, 11 silver, 14 bronze (Their most successful overseas games ever :))

Wales: 7 gold, 8 silver, 8 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 0 silvers, 1 bronze

And look who's turned up:

Isle Of Man: 1 silver

Just the Channel pair to go now. Here's the BBC roundup: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43723305

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On 10/04/2018 at 9:35 PM, JMarkSnow2012 said:

From an English viewpoint, the less said the better :wacko:

e.g.

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England’s Zharnel Hughes was disqualified from the men’s 200 metres final after catching Trinidad and Tobago’s Jereem Richards in the face with his arm.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/12/england-zharnel-hughes-disqualified-commonwealth-games-200m-drama

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here was Michael Johnson analysing Zharnel Hughes' semi-final before today's final got under way:

He looked really good yesterday, ran a really good bend, but I think that in order for him to ultimately get to sub-20 seconds, he's going to have to clean up his technique a little bit at the end.

He's a bit jerky there and there's some wasted motion, some rocking from side-to-side that comes with the arm swing.

Those are some things for his coach to work on to clean up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/commonwealth-games/43377299

 

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Yes, a little embarrassing - still one man's ceiling & all that - it got NI on the podium again, as you can see in this table after day 8 - so late it's in day 9:

England: 28 gold, 32 silver, 27 bronze (Ashes: 63-28)

Scotland: 7 gold, 13 silver, 15 bronze

Wales: 7 gold, 8 silver, 10 bronze (Wales' most medals at a non-UK games :) )

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 0 silvers, 2 bronze

Isle Of Man: 1 silver

Poor Jersey & Guernsey still out - wonder what could be there for them now. 

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Jack Laugher making an early run for the SPOTY title, Scotland getting a new record medallist, & Wales actually confirming their overseas record - on a pretty good day for home nations medals on the Coast:

England: 31 gold, 34 silver, 34 bronze (Ashes: 65-31 - England are catching up :lol:)

Scotland: 9 gold, 13 silver, 19 bronze

Wales: 7 gold, 10 silver, 12 bronze (Wales' most medals at a non-UK games :) )

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 1 silver, 4 bronze (boxing medals are starting to be won - NI will climb)

Isle Of Man: 1 silver

Channels: :(

Here's the roundup: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43750400

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20 hours ago, yoshi said:

Poor Jersey & Guernsey still out - wonder what could be there for them now

In case anybody's wondering, Guernsey last won a CwG medal in 1994, Jersey in 1990- both in shooting events.

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A massive 4 gold medals were on offer on day 10 - and 14 of them came to the home nations! This is the (big) effect on the table:

England: 42 gold, 40 silver, 41 bronze (Ashes: 75-42 - even when England win 11 golds, Oz go & win 10 :lol:)

Wales: 10 gold, 12 silver, 14 bronze (Overtaking Scotland to lead the Celts again, & getting their joint most golds ever - I suspect some regret that they weren't bolder in going for 2022 :( )

Scotland: 9 gold, 13 silver, 21 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 7 silver, 4 bronze (spare a thought for NI - getting 6 silvers in one day must be some record)

Isle Of Man: 1 silver

Apparently I was being too generous to the Channels - I genuinely thought they tended to win the odd medal at most Games. Obviously not.

The roundup: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43764636

Just the one more day (well half-day really) to go, the highlight of which will surely be (whatever the result) another of those early-hours sporting moments as England make their first netball final.

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1 hour ago, yoshi said:

A massive 4 gold medals were on offer on day 10 - and 14 of them came to the home nations! This is the (big) effect on the table:

England: 42 gold, 40 silver, 41 bronze (Ashes: 75-42 - even when England win 11 golds, Oz go & win 10 :lol:)

Wales: 10 gold, 12 silver, 14 bronze (Overtaking Scotland to lead the Celts again, & getting their joint most golds ever - I suspect some regret that they weren't bolder in going for 2022 :( )

Scotland: 9 gold, 13 silver, 21 bronze

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 7 silver, 4 bronze (spare a thought for NI - getting 6 silvers in one day must be some record)

Isle Of Man: 1 silver

Apparently I was being too generous to the Channels - I genuinely thought they tended to win the odd medal at most Games. Obviously not.

The roundup: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43764636

Just the one more day (well half-day really) to go, the highlight of which will surely be (whatever the result) another of those early-hours sporting moments as England make their first netball final.

Home nations merged Medal total isn't all that bad. Actually equals Australia who have had home advantage...Remember who has home advantage in 22.

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:lol::lol::lol:

UNF***ING BELIEVABLE!!!!!

England are Netball Commonwealth Games Champions!!!!

52 - 51 in a no seconds Cliffhanger!!!

The stadium is just stunned!!!

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If you're gonna end a Commonwealth games, end it in style :lol: As reasons to get up at 4am on a Sunday go, that was a great one - unbelievable. As Gold Coast 2018 hits the buffers, here are the final standings for the home nations:

England: 45 gold, 45 silver, 46 bronze (so close!) (Ashes: 80-45 - as good as it was, the netball couldn't do anything for that. Congrats Oz - a remarkable bounce back from Glasgow)

Wales: 10 gold, 12 silver, 14 bronze (No change from yesterday, but still enough for those records, and to win the Celtic rivalry)

Scotland: 9 gold, 13 silver, 22 bronze (below Wales, but still a record-breaking Games for the Scots - a best overseas finish)

Northern Ireland: 1 gold, 7 silver, 4 bronze (20th place doesn't sound great, but it's a bit misleading - boxing is a lottery, & if a few bouts yesterday had ended differently they'd have been up close to Scotland)

Isle Of Man: 1 silver (not having Mark Cavendish was always gonna bring them down - but they still got something)

Jersey & Guernsey - the wait goes on for 4 more years. Hopefully Birmingham can bring them that long-awaited medal. 

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Mixed fortunes for the home nations at this edition of the Commonwealth Games. There's no getting away from the fact that England were soundly trounced by Australia in the medal haul and the Aussie media were predictably not slow to spot it. Such a disappointing turnaround from 2014! What the heck happened?<_<

Maybe we've been getting a bit too cocky and complacent at beating the Aussies in the Olympics lately?:blink:

BBC report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/commonwealth-games/43768878

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Mainad said:

Such a disappointing turnaround from 2014! What the heck happened?

Mostly, home advantage shifted. What might be worth pondering is that, unlike in Melbourne 2006 (and even in Kuala Lumpur 1998- it may be no accident that the video game Koala Lumpur was released in 1997) Australia did not get more medals than all the Home Nations put together. 

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1 hour ago, JMarkSnow2012 said:

Mostly, home advantage shifted. What might be worth pondering is that, unlike in Melbourne 2006 (and even in Kuala Lumpur 1998- it may be no accident that the video game Koala Lumpur was released in 1997) Australia did not get more medals than all the Home Nations put together. 

Host nations get to load events to favour home advantage...There were 150 events in the pool as an example for Gold Coast.

Get smart England - do the same!

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