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17 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

No it won't.  Paris has already been awarded the 2024 Olympics.  What exactly do you think the No Olympics movement could accomplish at this point?  Even if they did gain traction, explain how that effort could put the 2024 Olympics in danger?  Let alone that a movement in LA could be similar.

These movements have been effective at forcing referendums and getting officials to acknowledge them.  But they've all done this *before* the IOC has voted on a bid, not after.  We're not going to see a repeat of Denver 1976 where local citizens manage to shoot down what in the grand scheme of things is a tiny amount of funding in order to kill a city's Olympic plans.  We all know the socio-economic situation in France is not that great right now.  But the French government is behind it - along with other events the country has an will host - so I don't see anything changing.  Virtually every Olympics in recent memory has had issues that made people question whether or not they should be or will be held.  Paris will be no different in that regard.

I totally agree but why do they keep trying.  The Paris and LA movements are trying to force referendums.   I brought it up before.   It's annoying and antagonizing that they are fighting for something that cant be done

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18 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

No it won't.  Paris has already been awarded the 2024 Olympics.  What exactly do you think the No Olympics movement could accomplish at this point?  Even if they did gain traction, explain how that effort could put the 2024 Olympics in danger?  Let alone that a movement in LA could be similar.

These movements have been effective at forcing referendums and getting officials to acknowledge them.  But they've all done this *before* the IOC has voted on a bid, not after.  We're not going to see a repeat of Denver 1976 where local citizens manage to shoot down what in the grand scheme of things is a tiny amount of funding in order to kill a city's Olympic plans.  We all know the socio-economic situation in France is not that great right now.  But the French government is behind it - along with other events the country has an will host - so I don't see anything changing.  Virtually every Olympics in recent memory has had issues that made people question whether or not they should be or will be held.  Paris will be no different in that regard.

Neither the 2024 Olympics nor the 2028 Olympics are in danger as of right now. In terms of Paris, the threat that a No Olympics movement could arise from the Yellow Vests protests is speculation at best. Right now, the protests are focused on taxation, wages, and cost of living. Most No Olympics movement target what they see as excessive government spending and the Yellow Vests have not taken that angle. If government spending suddenly comes to the forefront, then I could see demands made that Paris give up the Olympics. Yes they have signed a host city contract and the IOC would give Paris as lashing that would make their rhetoric towards Oslo look like a peace offering if they backed out, but the IOC really has no ability to enforce a city keeping the Olympics. All that said, despite the hostility toward Macron's government, I do not believe the Olympics are at risk.

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The only danger is if somehow Macron becomes symbolic of the Olympics or vice versa. The protests seem to be very personal against Macron as well, so Paris 2024 would do well to steer clear of him if he makes an attempt to be the symbolic figurehead of the Games. Making the official opening is all he needs to do, if he’s still in office in 2024. 

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4 hours ago, yoshi said:

The only danger is if somehow Macron becomes symbolic of the Olympics or vice versa. The protests seem to be very personal against Macron as well, so Paris 2024 would do well to steer clear of him if he makes an attempt to be the symbolic figurehead of the Games. Making the official opening is all he needs to do, if he’s still in office in 2024. 

Good thing Trump wont be in office in 2028 huh

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4 hours ago, yoshi said:

The only danger is if somehow Macron becomes symbolic of the Olympics or vice versa.

He's already there don't you think.....it's just a matter of someone realizing that Paris 24 is the perfect target. Of course Paris 24 is smartly staying invisible at the moment.

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41 minutes ago, Maximf83 said:

Good thing Trump wont be in office in 2028 huh

"I decalde open the Games of Los Angeles - and we really have the best Games, no one has better Games than we do - celebrating the 34th Olympiad of the modern - how modern is America, it's really the greatest country because of me since I was the one who got Los Angeles the Olympics - era"

Yea, not upset that won't be a thing at the Opening Ceremony.

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6 hours ago, Maximf83 said:

I totally agree but why do they keep trying.  The Paris and LA movements are trying to force referendums.   I brought it up before.   It's annoying and antagonizing that they are fighting for something that cant be done

Because they don't know any better.  Wouldn't be the first time a group of people have protested without much of a plan in terms of exactly what they're protesting or what they want the outcome to be?  And at this point, to throw around the R word probably gives those folks a false sense of power because they probably think they can "monkey see, monkey do" what other cities have done.  Except, no, they can't.  The word 'referendum' is meaningless unless there is some basis behind it.  I'm not sure what that would be in this point in Paris or especially in LA.

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5 hours ago, stryker said:

Neither the 2024 Olympics nor the 2028 Olympics are in danger as of right now. In terms of Paris, the threat that a No Olympics movement could arise from the Yellow Vests protests is speculation at best. Right now, the protests are focused on taxation, wages, and cost of living. Most No Olympics movement target what they see as excessive government spending and the Yellow Vests have not taken that angle. If government spending suddenly comes to the forefront, then I could see demands made that Paris give up the Olympics. Yes they have signed a host city contract and the IOC would give Paris as lashing that would make their rhetoric towards Oslo look like a peace offering if they backed out, but the IOC really has no ability to enforce a city keeping the Olympics. All that said, despite the hostility toward Macron's government, I do not believe the Olympics are at risk.

5 hours ago, yoshi said:

The only danger is if somehow Macron becomes symbolic of the Olympics or vice versa. The protests seem to be very personal against Macron as well, so Paris 2024 would do well to steer clear of him if he makes an attempt to be the symbolic figurehead of the Games. Making the official opening is all he needs to do, if he’s still in office in 2024. 

I can't see any scenario where Paris and CNOSF would suddenly decide to back out of the Olympics.  Because to the point that the IOC can't enforce a city to keep the Olympics (although not without penalty, I'm sure), the Olympics can't be taken away from Paris.  They would have to be given away.  And given the political and socio-economic climate of Paris these days, it would probably be worse to hand back the Olympics than to deal with all of their current issues.  Other cities and countries have had to deal with exploding budgets with more serious socio-economic issues than what's going on in France right now and they stayed the course.  No reason to believe Paris 2024 will be different.

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55 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

Because they don't know any better.  Wouldn't be the first time a group of people have protested without much of a plan in terms of exactly what they're protesting or what they want the outcome to be?  And at this point, to throw around the R word probably gives those folks a false sense of power because they probably think they can "monkey see, monkey do" what other cities have done.  Except, no, they can't.  The word 'referendum' is meaningless unless there is some basis behind it.  I'm not sure what that would be in this point in Paris or especially in LA.

The LA movement (maybe the paris one as well i dont know, i dont want to translate every tweet) gets it's power from boston, however it's so laughable, and yet they dont understand that!

Boston needed a lot of new build so it was easy to torpedo the bid, however even if it would've gotten to a vote Boston stood no chance against Paris (didnt Budapest bow out because they knew they didnt stand a chance against LA/Paris? ). And yet those people pump their chests as if they did something huge, no, you torpedoed a bid that had no chance to win

 

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9 minutes ago, Maximf83 said:

(didnt Budapest bow out because they knew they didnt stand a chance against LA/Paris? ). 

No, Budapest withdrew cuz the opposition was able to get the necessary signatures to enforce a referendum. So then the bid committee decided to call it quits before it got around to that stage. They were quite adament, actually, in their argument that the Olympics should start going to medium-size cities instead of huge metropolises like Paris & L.A.

But anyway, this discussion should really be happening in the Paris 2024 thread, since some people here get their panties in a bunch when threads drift off-topic.

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The noolympics movement in LA has been really lame, a growing problem for LA28 will be that there is increasing liberal/socialist infighting, outcry, and triggering about anything that does not funnel more money and power to illegal immigration, the homeless, and entitlements.

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1 hour ago, RuFF said:

Mayor Garcetti was boo’d off stage a few days ago for those very reasons. In many respects I think a lot of discontent in Paris exists in Los Angeles also. I think the big difference, however, is that unemployment is in the low single digits. In general it appears Paris and LA are very similar in expanding public transit, the environment, modernization of public infrastructure, etc. Another difference is in funding. Where Paris is struggling to obtain it LA is getting a free pass by it’s constituents. 

I thought l.a is privately funded 

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4 hours ago, FYI said:

Another off-topic drift that belong in the L.A.’28 thread & not this one.

Are you 1 of those people you referenced earlier that gets your panties in a bunch when a thread drifts off topic? :lol:

And if we're being fair here.. you were the one who brought up L.A. and Paris, so this one is mostly on you :P

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8 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

Are you 1 of those people you referenced earlier that gets your panties in a bunch when a thread drifts off topic? :lol:

No, I’m not “one” of those people. I was being facetious both times for the others that have (recently). :rolleyes:

10 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

And if we're being fair here.. you were the one who brought up L.A. and Paris, so this one is mostly on you :P

Yeah, which you aren’t being fair, since I only brought L.A. It was our favorite “other poster” that brought up Paris in his lame attempt (as usual) of bringing up what’s going on in France ATM against them. So that’s on him. So :P right back at ya!

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