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I have heard that Manchester may be interested in bidding for the European Games in 2023. if it does go to Manchester in 2023 it would be 21 years since the 2002 Commonwealth Games. 

I certainly hope it is true.

 

 

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Krakow and Małopolska Region to Host 2023 European Games

Reported by Mark Bisson   06/06/19

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Krakow, Poland


(ATR) Krakow and the province in southeastern Poland will host the third edition of the European Games.

Around the Rings has learned that Krakow was the only bidder for the multisport event. The city delivered its bid dossier by the European Olympic Committee’s May 31 deadline.

Kazan in Russia was thought to be in the running to host the Games. But a bid dossier failed to materialize following the EOC’s discussions with the Russian NOC and Kazan officials.

“The European Olympic Committees is pleased to confirm that one application has been received from the NOC of Poland as a joint bid from the city of Krakow and the Malopolska Region,” the EOC told ATR in a statement.

“The official election of the European Games 2023 host will take place at an extraordinary EOC General Assembly in Minsk on 22 June.”

In May, Krakow replaced Katowice as Poland’s candidate city for the 2023 European Games. The Polish NOC had eventually favored Krakow over the city in southern Poland, despite initial meetings involving Katowice officials and EOC representatives in recent months.

The EOC appeared happier with the choice of Krakow, which was backed by strong regional and city governmental support and the necessary financial guarantees, following meetings with Polish NOC leaders in May.

The choice of Krakow as the host of the European Games after the second edition in Minsk later this month comes after the EOC’s fast-track bidding process launched last September.

Krakow’s bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics may have been torpedoed in the early stages by a failed referendum, but its work on the project is likely to be valuable in delivering the 2023 European Games.

The Polish Olympic quest collapsed in May 2014. At the time, the bid said that 67.7 percent (143,796) had rejected the Olympics, answering “No” to the question: Are you in favor of Krakow hosting the 2022 Olympic Winter Games?Only 30.3 percent of residents who voted (62,453) backed the bid.

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Oh, that’s a big surprise. Never even knew anyone was bidding for this. Good for Krakow, great city & the first host to not (yet, officially) be an out & out autocracy, but 1) do they have the venues & 2) how are they gonna get this past the public, as they rejected even bidding for the Winter Olympics? Especially as if the answer to 1) is no, they’ll need quite a budget. Also the games seem to be slowly going west - maybe our Danish member will get his wish in 2027? :p 

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European Games? How is this still a thing?

However, that is one smart move the Polish put out. Public rejects your fancy sport events dreams? Don't even bother asking again. No one needs to know until you start selling tickets, anyway.

Here's hoping this will get us a surprise Winter Olympics in Norway asap. :D

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It's offical, Kraków will host the 2023 games, i actually didn't know we did bid. After Kraków 2024 winter olympic games bid debacle... im really happy about it, maybe it will improve confidence in hosting bigger events if done well ^^

https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/article231857403.html

Well i hope we manage to boost popularity of those games since i like the idea, this will be biggest event since Euro 2012 in Poland imo, it will definitely be bigger then World Games 2017. Since Athletics is our main Olympic discipline i hope we will manage to fix this aspect of the those games.

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Strange how this "3" phenomenon parallels so many things in international sports:

1.  3 Asian Olympics in a row:  PyeongChang 2018, Tokyo 2020 and Beijing 2022

2.  The first 3 European Games held in 3 ex-communist countries: Azerbaijan, Belarus, Poland  (note the heavy feel of Communist/Soviet influence in their shows.) 

3.  By 2028, 3 major global cities will have been 3x Olympic host cities: London, Paris and Los Angeles.  However, I would question that I think Athens with 2004 actually became the first 3x Olympic Summer host.  Athens 1906 was, for awhile, considered like a "misplaced" SOG, even being called the "Intercalated Games" once.  However, because it messed up the symmetry of the Olympic quadrennials, Olympic historians, on the urging of the IOC, downgraded and ultimately removed Olympic status of those Games, in which MANY world records were actually broken.  So, to some degree, Athens 2004 would actually have been the first 3x hosting of a Modern Era SOG by the same City.  

Strange things. 

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I really could hope that the joined European Championschips with Swimming and Athletics etc. and the European Games could match together and be one European Games. I think it would demand that the European Games switch year to the even years, because swimming and athletics have World championschips the year that European games are in. So switch it to 2022 and get it matched together then we have a good European games. I cant see any hosted picked for 2022 European Championschips yet? Is it possible for Krakow and Poland to raise it and change the year to 2022? or is it totally nogo? 

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5 hours ago, Hansfromdenmark said:

I really could hope that the joined European Championschips with Swimming and Athletics etc. and the European Games could match together and be one European Games. I think it would demand that the European Games switch year to the even years, because swimming and athletics have World championschips the year that European games are in. So switch it to 2022 and get it matched together then we have a good European games. I cant see any hosted picked for 2022 European Championschips yet? Is it possible for Krakow and Poland to raise it and change the year to 2022? or is it totally nogo? 

Hans, the even years between the Olympic/Leap years belong to the Men's World Cup, the CWG, the Olympic WOGs and the Summer Youth OGs -- all competing for the same global sponsor dollar, hence Swimming and Athletics do not join the Euro Games.  Besides, you would be adding another 2,000 - 2,500 athletes (+ coaches, judges, referees)  to the Euro Games if you included Swimming & T&F; so that would be nearing the demands of an Olympic Games -- which is now very dicey.  BTW, notice that the IOC is meeting while the Euro Games are going on, so I think you will see the Euro Games as big as they are right now.  

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13 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Hans, the even years between the Olympic/Leap years belong to the Men's World Cup, the CWG, the Olympic WOGs and the Summer Youth OGs -- all competing for the same global sponsor dollar, hence Swimming and Athletics do not join the Euro Games.  Besides, you would be adding another 2,000 - 2,500 athletes (+ coaches, judges, referees)  to the Euro Games if you included Swimming & T&F; so that would be nearing the demands of an Olympic Games -- which is now very dicey.  BTW, notice that the IOC is meeting while the Euro Games are going on, so I think you will see the Euro Games as big as they are right now.  

I don't think problems are not sponsors, you got European Athletics Association hosting outdoor european championships between football Euro and 1.5 month to go Olympics, 2 biggest sport events for European countries in the year. I think major obstacle is events calendar and actual willingness for athletes to participate, as the major focus for EAA and main star athletes this year is world championship, and as you can see they don't multi sport event on even between Olympic year near World Cup (in fact they do that to get more sponsors interested), but they don't want to give up as European Championship (which btw is probably worst name they could pick, it near impossible to find any news about it) is a bundle of already established events associated to those European federations to EOC and Olympic banner independent to them. So there lot of conflicts and issues not really related sponsors to those two events and i think thats the main problem

If European games fails (as it's in worse situation from the two), they either will need to give up the idea or talk to European Championship Management to give some kind of patronage to European Chempionship at least (for example to move European qualifier to Olympics to there)... or even turn entire thing to european Games as Hans suggests, which i think is valid possibility.

WOG does not count as it concerns complitly different set of sport federations and YOG as well as junior sport events live in compliantly different layer of minor sport events which only interest really hardcore fans. There is really no major european events in those years and again you got european sport federations willing to make multisport event in that time spot.

 

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I really don´t see the sponsors as any problem. They now have the joined European Championschip which as i recall was a bigger succes than the first European Games. The problem in my eyes are that European Games want the spot en odd years. But there are Athletics and Swimming (as the biggest) NOT interested at all. By moving the European games to even years, and to august then the European soccer championschip are over. Winter Olympics not an issue at all. Athletics and swimming are the main sport in a joined event. Cycling are also getting up there. What sport in the current European Games would not accept it in the even years? It would boost the smaller sports if the event became bigger. So I think most of the sport would accept it. 

Regarding the number of participants would be higher. Yes of course. But the last and first joined European Championschip was also in 2 cities. (Glasgow and Berlin) The goal is one as i understand, but the next is still not picked? A European Games could (again looked with my eyes) be in 2 cities close together and spred the sports in them according to what fascilities there already are there. As joined bid it could be Hamborg/Berlin. Amsterdam/Bruxelles. Copenhagen/Malmö (i would love the last one of course), and not being wellknown in Poland cities and fascilities, why not Krakow and another Poland city? This stadium in a Katowice near by could easily be the Athletics for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Stadium). And it would not be much bigger than the European Games and the joined European Championship are today. But just under 1 name and 1 time period and boost the whole thing! Swimming and Athletics will still have there own European championschips every 4. year. (and yes that is in the same years as the summer Olympics, but that they allways has had).

Sorry for bad English :(  

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And i off course mean the World championschip in football are over. Except in 2022 when it will be in december! Perhaps a perfect year to match it together and fill the summer and have a base before 2026

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I assume it’s to do with Olympic qualifying as a reason for these events, but it’s always struck me as odd that there’s almost no major quadrennial sports events held in the first year of the Olympic cycle. The European Games (in any form) would own 2021, 25, 29 etc if they went there. 

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But those years you would not get the big sports athletics and swimming because they have World championschips in those years. 

For me the optimal in all sports based in the Olympics. 
2020: Olympic games
2021: Continental Championschips (European, asian, african etc)
2022: World championschips
2023: Continental games (European games, African games, Asian games etc.)
2024: Olympic games 
And so on. 
Some sports have world champions every year, Badminton for example, exept Olympic years. They could still have it that way. 

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10 hours ago, Hansfromdenmark said:

As joined bid it could be Hamborg/Berlin. Amsterdam/Bruxelles. Copenhagen/Malmö (i would love the last one of course), and not being wellknown in Poland cities and fascilities, why not Krakow and another Poland city? This stadium in a Katowice near by could easily be the Athletics for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Stadium).

Ever since renovated stadium since PZLA trying to get major event on that stadium, since we one of top athletics nations (specially on field) but we never had venue to host any bigger athletics event until now. Ironically this stadium titled "national stadium" by football fans as we usually win qualifiers with big teams there, British even called it "Coldron of Witches", which to this day polish media nicknaming this stadion that way, but ever since new "National Stadium" for EURO 2012 was build in Warsaw they name was moved there, you can still hear some hardcore football fans saying that true "national stadium" is in Silesia xd. Now PZLA try to make this stadion "National Athletics Stadium".

But PZLA really don't like idea of multi sport European Championships as it complicates things for them. They try to propose candidature for 2022 but plan supposedly involved multiple polish cities but they give up the idea as ECM wants to host everything in single city and now trying to get pre-Olympic European Championship in 2024. But i hoping since now we got big event in Kraków year before and farther away from Olympics they might be more interested to participate, but i can see them go opposite way if they get that 2024 event.

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Are there any good arenas for swimming in Krakow/Katowice? if it would be matched together (i know it probably wont). 

And are there any views of arenas that they will use in the Krakow 2023 bid? A bid book? anything? 

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7 hours ago, Hansfromdenmark said:

Are there any good arenas for swimming in Krakow/Katowice? if it would be matched together (i know it probably wont). 

And are there any views of arenas that they will use in the Krakow 2023 bid? A bid book? anything? 

Them most biggest venue is Kraków Arena which now have sponsor name Tauron Arena, is a largest indoor arena in Poland, 5th in Europe with capacity of 22k. In sports so far was used as volleyball (which is probably most successful team sport in Poland), handball (which we had successes but know it in downfall outside of clubs) and ice hokey (which we stuck in doorstep of elite group),  It definitely be used someway. It's newest and most ready for anything venue in there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauron_Arena

Biggest outdoor venue is probably Stadion Miejski stadium with capacity of 33k, the football club Wisła Kraków which is it's operator had a lot of financial problems this season barely making alive this season. In Kraków 2024 winter Olympics plans it was considered as ceremony venue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadion_Miejski,_Kraków

Other then that i don't know much of venues in Kraków, but in case of indoor venues there should not be a problem as every polish city has plenty of them.

I found this articule showing pictures of variues of them in current state in perspective of European games:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ar/c2-14233331

I will translate them, in case of stadium it is mention it needs some renovation most impotently it needs road way in for vehicles if it will be considered for ceremony.

The biggest pain ofcorse is outdoor atletics venue, there not much of those in Poland (ofcorse except small once that looks like one used in YOG in Buenos Aries) and it's main reason why regardless of being one of top nations (top in Europe always competing with UK in European medal tables) we never host any outdoor senior championships, as said before newly reopened Silesia Stadium is the first stadium in Poland which is top IAAF class stadium that can host serior europe and world events. The articule above mentioned Wawel Arena bad condition but with new tracks:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901571

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901577

There possibility of using AWF (university) atletic stadium, but it would need ot be expanded:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901575

Therep plan to build 50m olympic swimmingpool, they mention that local area people do protests over it

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901627

New planned Wisła indoor hall, they mention they have problem financing it so far:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902139

Planed Yacht dock in near by Płaszów, also looking for extra cash

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902131

There already build mountain canoe track :

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901585

Near by there "4th stage" of expantion of sport complex with tenis courts, also looking for extra cash:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902135

There also old courts near Wawel, but it needs renovation:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901573

Articule also mentioned there plan of building stadium of 4.5k cappacity in Garbarni sport club

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901581

There also Carcovia (2nd Kraków football club) Stadium with capacity of 15k, articule mention one of the sides is made to easily transform in to concert field

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901579

Nowa Huta stadium that is considered to be replaced:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901561

AWF hall with capacity of 1k

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901587

Hutnik sport club hall with cappcity of 1k

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901563

New Cracovia indoor hall also 1k capacity

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901559

Newly build stadium of Prądniczanki sport club also 1k capacity:

https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901567

Rest of galley shows venues in Minsk to compare

I cal also tell that city have a large expirance to host street cycling as it frequently been used as a time stage for Tour de Pologne which is biggest cycling event in Poland also part of UCI tour. Entire region around Kraków is used multiple time for it.

The indoor cycleing track can be the problem as only such track in Poland is Prusków Arena near Warsaw, but it very good venue hosting top UCI events but in different part of Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Pruszków 

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Sorry for double post but forgot to mention. Kraków by it self is probably number 1 place you can go to Poland as tourist, it's formal capitol of Poland and has lot of our history in it, there lot of things to visit. Entire surrounding area is probably most colorful and traditional one, including Zakopane which is called "winter capitol of Poland" it vicinity was reason why Karków was considered winter Olympic candidate. It's a lot of better region then Warsaw which lot of historic sites been destroyed in WWII or vicinity of Silesia Stadium (Chorzów) which is mainly industry mining region (but it has own traditional taste).

Also worth mention there famous salt mine in Wieliczka new Kraków which sometimes alos used as event venue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieliczka_Salt_Mine

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You heard it here first: European Championships 2022 will be in Munich. Olympiapark has been posting sime cryptic countdown the last few days, promising big news 50 years after the Olympics.

I guess there’s an announcement tomorrow (including which sports will be involved).

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