Jump to content

Doha


hektor
 Share

Recommended Posts

Doha will host the 2019 IAAF championships and the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Now there is the possibility these are disasters. But if they aren't what do you think of the prospects for Doha for the next Olympics, 2032, 2036...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
  • 1 month later...
On 8/23/2017 at 12:45 AM, Roger87 said:

There's still a big elephant in the room - 2022 World Cup scandal. Unless the competition is completely dire, they will avoid Doha as a plague.

Agreed. Doha is already not proving to be the best of cities to work with in terms of planning, I do not think the IOC, especially in a time where for the past few bids, they were struggling to keep their heads afloat, even going as far to award 2024 and 2028 at once, will be awarding a Games to a "chance city" (I like to use the term to describe that cities that the IOC takes a chance on, like Atlanta, Beijing, Sochi, Rio, etc, some proving better than others) for a while. Just to ensure that the Olympics can be sustainable again and don't come with a looming fear of white elephants and economic hardship like Athens, Beijing, Sochi and Rio brought (again, some in some regards, some in all regards, some more than others). For example, if a city like Sydney, Munich, Barcelona, or London steps up, which are all previous cities with massive successes behind them, or even cities like Brisbane, Toronto and Madrid, cities whose country has had success and could also likely put on a successful Games, would step up, Doha stands little chance in my opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 7 months later...
On 8/22/2017 at 9:45 PM, Roger87 said:

There's still a big elephant in the room - 2022 World Cup scandal. Unless the competition is completely dire, they will avoid Doha as a plague.

So, all they have to do to is make everybody else drop out with that plague! :D

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 year later...
  • 2 years later...

Between Doha-ha & AhmedaBAD, the initial 2036 choices are already stellar! :lol:

The article does, though, make quite a few thought-provoking points about such a scenario. But seriously, there's still the big Elephant in the Room question, of what about the dates for a Qatar (not to mention India) Olympics? Is the IOC really going to go outside the currently STRICT July-Aug time-frame to accommodate this? And if so, it makes the actual implementation of such a criteria ITFP a total & absolute FARCE (which is why we got Brisbane instead of Melbourne, but the ITG's piece covered that nicely too, though :lol:)!

Or would Qatar simply do the ole' bait-&-switch once awarded, like they did with the 2022 WC; "ahhh just kidding! We can't host in July-Aug, cause you know, it's OPPRESSIVELY HOT here during that time (& we can't provide those AC stadias like we promised the last time)! So we'll have to do it in WINTER instead, sorry about that, guys!!" :ph34r: What's that saying; "fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on US!" :P

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is also one more factor here: FIFA can, despite the morality of anything, handle stuff like that because they are the football international federation, but can the IOC whitstand the obvious and deserved fall back when everyone and their mothers point out that Qatar still treat their workers in a way that´s looks like slavery, have laws that make adultery and gay people more criminal than rape, etc? 

You know, for worse and worser, football can scoff out of the way a lot of things. It´s FOOTBALL, the one sport that humanity cannot live without, alongside their variants. All of the sports at the same time, in particular with the head of our wonderful IOC, not so much...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, SportLightning said:

I'm not sure if Doha could host 2036 Olympics. They already got the 2030 Asian Games as second time for Qatar after 2006.

Rio hosted panam games 9 years earlier, and Beijing planned to host asian games 5 years prior in 2000. If they got the venues and the needed touristic and broadcasting facilities, they can (in the papers) host the olympics

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, SportLightning said:

I'm not sure if Doha could host 2036 Olympics. They already got the 2030 Asian Games as second time for Qatar after 2006.

 

10 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Rio hosted panam games 9 years earlier, and Beijing planned to host asian games 5 years prior in 2000. If they got the venues and the needed touristic and broadcasting facilities, they can (in the papers) host the olympics

The 2006 and 2030 Asian Games were/are in December.

The IOC does not allow the Olympics/Paralympics to be held outside July/August.

Doha, Qatar will not get the Olympics because it is deadly hot in July/August, day and night.

Doha is not getting the Olympics. Period.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

The 2006 and 2030 Asian Games were/are in December.

The IOC does not allow the Olympics/Paralympics to be held outside July/August.

Doha, Qatar will not get the Olympics because it is deadly hot in July/August, day and night.

Doha is not getting the Olympics. Period.

I mean by then only siberia will be capable of hosting a decent weather olympics, Doha can easily develop air cooling technology in their stadiums as for the wrld cop and have a decent competition

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

I mean by then only siberia will be capable of hosting a decent weather olympics, Doha can easily develop air cooling technology in their stadiums as for the wrld cop and have a decent competition

Yes complete with remote controlled clouds to block out the sun just like they proposed for the WC. Yes this considered. The cooling technology to vastly lower temperatures to a safe level for competition in a place like Doha during the summer months isn't feasible. And it's not just the heat either. I'd argue the humidity is actually worse. I lived in Abu Dhabi for four years and summer humidity levels easily reach 80-90 percent especially in the early hours of the morning and evenings.

I read the insidethegames editorial and it reminds me a lot of the talk right after South Africa hosted the WC. There was lots of chatter about how it set up South Africa perfectly to bid for an Olympics. Even the late Jacques Rogge said so. It's not possible for Doha and the IOC isn't going to go outside the hosting window and risk alienating NBC if they indeed re-sign for broadcasting rights. An Olympics in fall or winter would put them in direct competition with the likes of the NFL, European football, baseball and college football. That's a crowded sports calendar.

Of note that I found eyebrow raising in the editorial was the fact that privately the Qataris were furious about the way Brisbane was selected which echos the response the DOSB had.  Now that two countries have come out and said the process was opaque and in secret then I'd say it's fairly likely that's how it went down. One country or Olympic committee criticizing the process is one thing. Two makes it even more suspicious.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Chris_Mex said:

I mean by then only siberia will be capable of hosting a decent weather olympics, Doha can easily develop air cooling technology in their stadiums as for the wrld cop and have a decent competition

Easily?  No, if air conditioned stadiums was easy, they'd have done it for the World Cup.  They didn't do that.  And even if they could, why would that be a preferred option as opposed to another country that doesn't need to air condition their stadiums?  More than that, don't think they can air condition the rowing venue or triathlon or golf.  8 stadiums is one thing, but the infrastructure needs of the Olympics are so much greater.  To say nothing of what everyone needs to do when they're not at the venues and it's oppressively hot outside.

The World Athletics Championships in 2019 where in late September/early October and even then, they had to hold a lot of events late into the night because of weather concerns.  So what's going to happen if they have the entire Olympics there?

Doha can propose an Olympics outside the preferred window, but they're not going to win so long as there's literally almost anyone else offering themselves up.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Doha can easily develop air cooling technology in their stadiums as for the wrld cop and have a decent competition

Oh, really? Is that why the 2022 WC was moved to Nov/Dec from the traditional June/July time-frame? :rolleyes:

4 hours ago, stryker said:

Of note that I found eyebrow raising in the editorial was the fact that privately the Qataris were furious about the way Brisbane was selected which echos the response the DOSB had.  Now that two countries have come out and said the process was opaque and in secret then I'd say it's fairly likely that's how it went down. One country or Olympic committee criticizing the process is one thing. Two makes it even more suspicious.

Not just furious, but "incandescent with rage", & made their views about it "clear" to Bach. But of course, it's all part of the New Norm now: "it's a Game changer!" But as long as you-know-who got his "reward", who are the Qatari's to say otherwise! ^_^

3 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Doha can propose an Olympics outside the preferred window, but they're not going to win so long as there's literally almost anyone else offering themselves up.

Sure, & then they can continue to echo their displeasure at Bach about that, or whoever the IOC president may be at that time. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

I mean by then only siberia will be capable of hosting a decent weather olympics, Doha can easily develop air cooling technology in their stadiums as for the wrld cop and have a decent competition

As Quaker2001 said, you  cannot put air conditioning over outdoor events like (to name just a few):

  • Archery
  • Canoe Slalom
  • Equestrian Croos-country
  • Golf
  • Hockey
  • Marathon
  • Rowing / Sprint Canoe
  • Race Walking
  • Road Cycling / Time Trial
  • Sailing
  • Shooting

The IOC’s New Norm process for selecting a Games Host if you go around building venues that will not be used after the Games, those days are gone.  

Yes, Qatar has squillions of dollars to spend on venues but the days of horribly Sochi-style extravagent spending on new venues ate gone.      Under New Norm, you must either use existing venues or you must demonstrate legacy use of those venues after the Games if you’re building new ones.

Also middle east sporting events are ever held, as far as I know, in the worst deadly heat months of July and August - the IOCs Olympic hosting window.

You have to protect athletes, officials, spectators at all times.

A Qatar Olympics is not happening.   Qatar can jump up and down all they want but they are seriously stupid if they don’t realise all this after the first 2032 New Norm host selection, seriously.  Qatar also seem to be deluded that they can host outside the July/August Olympics hosting window.   Seriously, wtf?

As far as Stryker’s comment about DOSB being unhappy about the 2032 selection, that disfunctional DOSB was wracked with infighting and disharmony.   DOSB made a complete mess of their 2032 Candidature and then throigh tinted glasses had the gall to attack the IOC over their non-elevation.  

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes yet Qatar does have thing in common with "common" olympic bids. Experience, venues in place, and a developing sporting community. As someone said in another thread this was australia's golden decade because of the sporting event they will host. Well qatar will not only do the same, since 2006 they have been hosting a lot of sports world cups, incluiding athletics, handball, gymnastics, not mentioning the upcoming FIFA world cup (the largest single sporting even in the world), the FINA world cup and of couse the asian games 2006 AND 2030 (the 2nd biggest multi-sport even in the world), so its not like we are going into an ahmedabad bid without the venues. By the time qatar would be selected as olympic host, they would have quite an arrange of venues, sporting facilities and touristic facilities. The only real con is the time frame, but if FIFA moved it why olympics dont

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

The IOC’s New Norm process for selecting a Games Host if you go around building venues that will not be used after the Games, those days are gone.  

Yes, Qatar has squillions of dollars to spend on venues but the days of horribly Sochi-style extravagent spending on new venues ate gone.      Under New Norm, you must either use existing venues or you must demonstrate legacy use of those venues after the Games if you’re building new ones.

Also middle east sporting events are ever held, as far as I know, in the worst deadly heat months of July and August - the IOCs Olympic hosting window.

 

 

 

Under the New Norm, the IOC encourages the use of existing or temporary venues if possible but that is not mandatory. There's nothing to prevent a Sochi style splurge on a future Olympics especially from the likes of China,Istanbul, or India just to name few (all run by despots as well). As for legacy, well, it's easy to create a bogus legacy and the IOC will bite it hook, line, and sinker.

Actually September is worse, at least it was in the UAE. October starts to see a sip in temperature but it is still hot. A hypothetical Qatar bid would likely have to be in November or December.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Yes yet Qatar does have thing in common with "common" olympic bids. Experience, venues in place, and a developing sporting community. As someone said in another thread this was australia's golden decade because of the sporting event they will host. Well qatar will not only do the same, since 2006 they have been hosting a lot of sports world cups, incluiding athletics, handball, gymnastics, not mentioning the upcoming FIFA world cup (the largest single sporting even in the world), the FINA world cup and of couse the asian games 2006 AND 2030 (the 2nd biggest multi-sport even in the world), so its not like we are going into an ahmedabad bid without the venues. By the time qatar would be selected as olympic host, they would have quite an arrange of venues, sporting facilities and touristic facilities. The only real con is the time frame, but if FIFA moved it why olympics dont

Simple.

Because the IOC do have a July/August Hosting requirement.

FIFA does not have a July/August hosting requirement.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, stryker said:

Under the New Norm, the IOC encourages the use of existing or temporary venues if possible but that is not mandatory. There's nothing to prevent a Sochi style splurge on a future Olympics especially from the likes of China,Istanbul, or India just to name few (all run by despots as well). As for legacy, well, it's easy to create a bogus legacy and the IOC will bite it hook, line, and sinker.

Actually September is worse, at least it was in the UAE. October starts to see a sip in temperature but it is still hot. A hypothetical Qatar bid would likely have to be in November or December.

Are you speaking for the IOC?

New Norm only started in July last year.  Sochi was one of the main culprits as to why the biggest host selection changes in Olympic history have been made.

Brisbane 2032 was the first elected in history under the New Norm legacy venue rules.

The 2030 Winter Host will be the second in history.

Don’t go mouthing off that this is all a passing phase because you have basis for that, since it has only just started.

What has just started?    In case you missed it, New Norm has just started, the biggest and most radical Host Selection changes in the entire history of the Olympic movement.

Wake up, like it or not, be cynical or not, this the new way of Host Selection:   New Norm - it’s a Games Changer

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, stryker said:

Under the New Norm, the IOC encourages the use of existing or temporary venues if possible but that is not mandatory. There's nothing to prevent a Sochi style splurge on a future Olympics especially from the likes of China,Istanbul, or India just to name few (all run by despots as well). As for legacy, well, it's easy to create a bogus legacy and the IOC will bite it hook, line, and sinker.

Actually September is worse, at least it was in the UAE. October starts to see a sip in temperature but it is still hot. A hypothetical Qatar bid would likely have to be in November or December.

I agree, if a Qatar Olympics was to be ever held, then November/December temperatures are more viable temperature-wise.

But even passing the temperature test and a Qatar Olympic Games in December, it still fails the New Norm legacy test.

No-one in the IOC Future Host Commission would believe for many years believe Qatar can make good use of all the new Olympics sports venues that would be needed.    Seriously, this is New Norm reality, not Qatar’s disneyland wish to build all the venues it need and never use most of them again for years, if ever.

Let’s not live in a fantasy land that Qatar could demonstrate ongoing use of all the new Olympic venues after the Games that would be required.

Yes it is a developing sports country but its not that developed yet.  

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

New Norm indeed started last year. It’s main new novelty was it’s introduction of the ridiculously opaque new host selection process. It incorporated Agenda 2020, the new set of policies, including more flexibility in venues and encouragement of existing venues (though indeed NOT mandatory). It was a adopted at the 2014 IOC session in Monaco. It was the “guiding document” that shaped the 2024, 26 and 28 host selections.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...