Los Angeles 2028

[Quaker2001]

Well, Kamala Harris is from California, although not LA.  Would certainly be appropriate if like in 1984, a POTUS with ties to California opened the games.  G-d help us if it's the other guy.  Not so much just for the Olympics, but for the world in general

[baron-pierreIV]

Hopefully, a California gal to open the 4th California Games.  (Nixon opened the 1960 Squaw Valley Games.)  It was named Squaw Valley.  Madam Vice-President is half-Indian (OK, that Indian but same thing!)  And then of course, Paris 2024 is the 1st OGs of full gender parity!  Are these portents of things to come in November?  HOPEFULLY!!  I just donated $25 to the campaign this evening!  
 

Edited July 22 by baron-pierreIV

[Bear]

the emblem that will be used for the olympic handover ceremony has been released:

https://la28.org/en/newsroom/la28-releases-custom-emblem-to-celebrate-paris-2024.html

[baron-pierreIV]

4 hours ago, Bear said:

the emblem that will be used for the olympic handover ceremony has been released:

https://la28.org/en/newsroom/la28-releases-custom-emblem-to-celebrate-paris-2024.html

So, it's not dynamic?  

[ejaycat]

On 7/21/2024 at 7:17 PM, Quaker2001 said:

Well, Kamala Harris is from California, although not LA.  Would certainly be appropriate if like in 1984, a POTUS with ties to California opened the games.  G-d help us if it's the other guy.  Not so much just for the Olympics, but for the world in general

When not in DC, she's a Los Angeles resident.  Yesterday on the local news, there's already talk of security beef ups around her home in the Brentwood area.   

[antiperspirant]

On 6/17/2024 at 2:43 PM, Bear said:

No, not yet unfortunately. They'll probably be announced after Paris 2024 at this rate...

I am okay with this, otherwise it would be like announcing your pregnancy at your sibling's wedding

[antiperspirant]

On 4/4/2024 at 11:56 PM, baron-pierreIV said:

Of course, this did not factor in Wasserman's decision to add 5 more new sports.  34 or 35 sports are just RIDICULOUS!! I don't know who Wasserman is trying to please with the scope he committed LA too. 

The sheer logistics are simply going to be staggering.  30 venues, delivering the various teams to, say, 30 locations from UCLA.  Several thousand press from USC to the same 30 or so venues -- and back & forth from venues to the IBC in Studio City--and then back to USC! More buses needed to ferry guests from, say, 50 hotels.  How about Games volunteers?  The extra workers for the hotels?  I really hope the subway can make the planning less of a nightmare.  I bet many of those will be the same school buses--just as they were put to service in 1984.  They're going to have to bring in buses from Vegas, San Diego and the SF Bay Area.  Oh, and the drivers too?? 

 

UCLA has a wonderful fleet of student shuttle drivers, I am sure they would love the overtime opportunity

[antiperspirant]

^and you can underpay them too because they are desperate students looking for any excuse not to go back home for the summer! problem solved.

[baron-pierreIV]

11 hours ago, antiperspirant said:

UCLA has a wonderful fleet of student shuttle drivers, I am sure they would love the overtime opportunity

Oh, they don't even have to be the same UCLA student drivers.  I am sure they can fill them -- my point is they just keep making the whole thing BIGGER & BIGGER each time.  When will it stop?  Like, Brisbane is a smaller city-- so I don't see Brisbane trying to match the scope of LA28-- not unless they are crazy enough to do so.  That's my point.  When Ueberroth staged 1984, he said--and this is from someone who knew a thing or 2 about it--that the ideal Olympics should only be made up of 17 sports. (And he stayed and honored the 23 sports LA84 was committed to before he came onboard -- LA84 was the 23rd edition of the OGs!)

And 40 years later, his successor, Casey W -- goes right ahead and DOUBLES that (ideal, imaginary number in PU's head) to 34 sports -- just to match that LA28 will be the 34th edition of the ME Summer Games!  Of course, you have to look at where Casey makes his $$--sports talent management.  Hmmmm.    God forbid whomever hosts the 50th edition of the Summer Games. 

The bigger they get, the more chances of messing up.  Remember Atlanta, 12 years LA84?  I don't have the stats at hand--I think maybe ATL had 20% more events than LA84--well, one of their boondoggles was the shuttle bus drivers.  Do the math.  It just keeps becoming a BIGGER and BIGGER carbon footprint.  Is that really what the planet needs?    

P.S. Ahem . . .  
Aussie swimming team suffer NIGHTMARE start to Olympic Games as Emma McKeon and Shayna Jack are crammed onto buses into Paris in 'chaotic' scenes (msn.com) 

Edited July 24 by baron-pierreIV
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[antiperspirant]

17 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Oh, they don't even have to be the same UCLA student drivers.  I am sure they can fill them -- my point is they just keep making the whole thing BIGGER & BIGGER each time.  When will it stop?  Like, Brisbane is a smaller city-- so I don't see Brisbane trying to match the scope of LA28-- not unless they are crazy enough to do so.  That's my point.  When Ueberroth staged 1984, he said--and this is from someone who knew a thing or 2 about it--that the ideal Olympics should only be made up of 17 sports. (And he stayed and honored the 23 sports LA84 was committed to before he came onboard -- LA84 was the 23rd edition of the OGs!)

And 40 years later, his successor, Casey W -- goes right ahead and DOUBLES that (ideal, imaginary number in PU's head) to 34 sports -- just to match that LA28 will be the 34th edition of the ME Summer Games!  Of course, you have to look at where Casey makes his $$--sports talent management.  Hmmmm.    God forbid whomever hosts the 50th edition of the Summer Games. 

The bigger they get, the more chances of messing up.  Remember Atlanta, 12 years LA84?  I don't have the stats at hand--I think maybe ATL had 20% more events than LA84--well, one of their boondoggles was the shuttle bus drivers.  Do the math.  It just keeps becoming a BIGGER and BIGGER carbon footprint.  Is that really what the planet needs?    

P.S. Ahem . . .  
Aussie swimming team suffer NIGHTMARE start to Olympic Games as Emma McKeon and Shayna Jack are crammed onto buses into Paris in 'chaotic' scenes (msn.com) 

I personally find crammed buses pretty exciting. Nothing like efficient mass transit utilization.

[baron-pierreIV]

Time to put you on my IGNORE list.  

[venuedesignlover]

Anyone else fearing LA28 just won’t live up to Paris in the quality of the games delivery?

[Sir Rols]

14 minutes ago, venuedesignlover said:

Anyone else fearing LA28 just won’t live up to Paris in the quality of the games delivery?

The vibe will certainly be different. Good, it shouldn’t worry about Paris, and just focus on having its own identity. Bit too early to say much beyond, though. I haven‘t seen anything to cause any major concerns.

It‘s the one after I have more worries about.

Edited August 6 by Sir Rols

[Anthony]

Is the concern over the sprawled out venues? Things aren't tight and integrated within the city?

[Bear]

1 hour ago, venuedesignlover said:

Anyone else fearing LA28 just won’t live up to Paris in the quality of the games delivery?

there's still four years to go and we haven't even finished Paris 2024, let's sit back and wait for now 🙂

[Sir Rols]

1 hour ago, Anthony said:

Is the concern over the sprawled out venues? Things aren't tight and integrated within the city?

I don‘t think that‘s necessarily a concern. Just a difference.

[Bear]

are our venues actually sprawled out? like, our farthest venues are in Oklahoma, which is still close when comparing it to the distance between Paris and Tahiti. As of right now, the rest of our venues are still situated within the same metropolitan area, while Paris had events, not counting football, out in Lille (between 3 and 4 hours away) and Marseille (almost 8 hours away!)

[Sir Rols]

Also, while Paris has made impressive, to say the least, use of its central city landmarks for sports like fencing, archery, beach volleyball and the urban sports, the marquee events like athletics, swimming and gymnastics are further afield and separated. It doesn‘t really have a traditional Olympic Park.,

[StefanMUC]

51 minutes ago, Bear said:

are our venues actually sprawled out? like, our farthest venues are in Oklahoma, which is still close when comparing it to the distance between Paris and Tahiti. As of right now, the rest of our venues are still situated within the same metropolitan area, while Paris had events, not counting football, out in Lille (between 3 and 4 hours away) and Marseille (almost 8 hours away!)

Oklahoma, just as Tahiti, was a deliberate choice. Still far out from the host city.

From Gare du Nord to the venue in Lille it‘s 1.5 hours train ride. I guess public transport from one corner of LA metro to the other is comparable to that. And sailing is often an outlier, though also here Marseille is only 3.5 hours by TGV from Paris, not 8.

 

 

 

41 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Also, while Paris has made impressive, to say the least, use of its central city landmarks for sports like fencing, archery, beach volleyball and the urban sports, the marquee events like athletics, swimming and gymnastics are further afield and separated. It doesn‘t really have a traditional Olympic Park.,

Stade de France, Bercy and La Défense are really only less than 30 minutes travel time from Concorde, which is basically the heart of Paris 2024.

 

[FYI]

1 hour ago, Bear said:

out in Lille (between 3 and 4 hours away) 

Where did you get that time from? 

Paris to Lille is only 125 miles (the distance between L.A. & San Diego), & you can get there in less than 90min. on their high-speed rail service. Even driving it's 2.5 hours. Maybe in infamous California traffic it can take 3-4 hours to drive that same distance.

1 hour ago, Bear said:

and Marseille (almost 8 hours away!)

It's actually 7.5 hours, & that's by car. But again here, by high-speed rail-service (which is the preferred method of travel in Europe), it takes just over three-hours from Paris. And if you choice air-travel, it's less than 90min.

And in Marseille, you have the soccer & sailing venues, which are usually farmed-out from the host city anyway. Sailing for Atlanta 1996, for example, was staged in Savannah, 250 mile away (or over 3.5 hours). 

All-in-all (with the exception of Tahiti, which Paris 2024 mainly did to include one of their overseas territories in these French Games), these Olympics are very compact Games otherwise.

[ejaycat]

14 hours ago, venuedesignlover said:

Anyone else fearing LA28 just won’t live up to Paris in the quality of the games delivery?

By games delivery, in terms of what?  There's nothing new to build, just upgrades to already existing facilites and temporary stadiums, so it's not like Los Angeles will be in a crunch to get their venues ready.  And the newer facilities are already quite state-of-the-art.  

[ejaycat]

12 hours ago, Bear said:

are our venues actually sprawled out? like, our farthest venues are in Oklahoma, which is still close when comparing it to the distance between Paris and Tahiti. As of right now, the rest of our venues are still situated within the same metropolitan area, while Paris had events, not counting football, out in Lille (between 3 and 4 hours away) and Marseille (almost 8 hours away!)

I know the venues have not totally been finalized yet, but aside from OKC, the current venue plan is more compact than LA 1984.  Back then rowing was as far north/west as Lake Casitas in Ventura County, equestrian eventing was all the way south in Rancho Santa Fe in San Diego County, and shooting was all the way east in Chino (Inland Empire/San Bernardino County).  As sprawled out as LA84 was, nobody seemed to mind.  And it's not like everyone goes to all events, they'll only go to one or a few/more than a few.

Aside from OKC, the furthest venue out is equestrian down in Temecula (Galway Downs).  Everything else is in Los Angeles County, with maybe Honda Center in Anaheim/Orange County for arena volleyball.  The athletics/track & field will be at the Coliseum/Exposition Park, and gymnastics will be in downtown LA/Crypto.  Swimming will be at SoFi/Inglewood, and that's literally down the road from LAX.  People can fly in, go to SoFi, and then fly out!  😄

 

Edited August 6 by ejaycat

[sebastien1214]

14 hours ago, venuedesignlover said:

Anyone else fearing LA28 just won’t live up to Paris in the quality of the games delivery?

No worries about LA. It will be different, but it will still be good.

12 hours ago, Bear said:

are our venues actually sprawled out? like, our farthest venues are in Oklahoma, which is still close when comparing it to the distance between Paris and Tahiti. As of right now, the rest of our venues are still situated within the same metropolitan area, while Paris had events, not counting football, out in Lille (between 3 and 4 hours away) and Marseille (almost 8 hours away!)

As other contributors have said, in Europe you should not rely on car travel time, but on train travel time.

12 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Also, while Paris has made impressive, to say the least, use of its central city landmarks for sports like fencing, archery, beach volleyball and the urban sports, the marquee events like athletics, swimming and gymnastics are further afield and separated. It doesn‘t really have a traditional Olympic Park.,

Sure, there is no Olympic Park (and I think it's great that we don't build any more Olympic Parks), but in the end the venues are still "close" to each other. Between the Stade de France (athletics) and La Défense Arena (swimming) there are 15km (approx. 1h by public transport, 25mn by Uber/taxi).

It may seem like a lot, but compared to Los Angeles it's still much closer. For example, between Santa Monica (beach volleyball) and the arena for Gymnastics (machinbidule.com Arena), there are 24km.

[Quaker2001]

The vibe of an Olympics in LA is going to be different than that of Paris.  Different doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.  I think Los Angeles will be able to put on a great show.  But as with past Olympics, the goal shouldn't be to use the previous host as an example.  When London hosted in 2012, they probably gave no mind in trying to out-do Beijing.  Ditto with LA.  Don't try to be Paris. That's not who you are as a city.

[baron-pierreIV]

Some things will be farther afield than 1984. 

- Galway Downs/Temecula is farther than Santa Anita, site for Equestrian in 1984. 

- More events in Long Beach (where Indoor Volleyball was held in '84.) 

- They still haven't announced venues for four of the other "new to '28" sports. 
- And there still isn't a viable candidate venue for Shooting within LA environs (I'm thinking some old Army or Marine base maybe?  Maybe that might end up in San Diego County -- which would require its own OV then.)  I'm afraid they may have to build a new "temporary" facility for that if they keep it in Sepulveda and have shooters stay in the main UCLA-OV.)