Los Angeles 2028

[baron-pierreIV]

OzFAN, bully for you.  Actually, I don't have this festish as to whether the pools are temp or permanent.  What we are discussing here are:
1. whether Aquatics venue 2028 will be an above or below-ground facility.  But it is TEMPORARY.

2.  As for the US Swim trials for 2028, who knows how they will site that?  I never heard of such a law or edict re a host nation not allowing their home trials there.  Then, gee, why even bother to host an expensive set of Games?  If I were a hosting country, spending for the event, and this were imposed on me, I would tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine . . . and they could take their Games elsewhere. 

Of course, in other sports when they run their trials as "test events" at the pending Oly venue, they what?  They dress the
event as an "international / invitational meets" inviting a few athletes from 3rd tier countries to also test the venue and hold their own eliminations to make it appear that it is NOT a biased move to favor the host nation athletes.  I mean there are ways around it -- it just depends on how "creative" you want to be.  

If US Swimming wants to hold the 2028 Swim Trials in Hanoi or Gaza City, then would I really care?  

[Quaker2001]

7 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

/\/\ And I think they return to Indy a lot because USA Swimming, I believe -- too lazy to check -- is hqtr'ed in Indianapolis.  But again, for 2028, they'd be crazy stupid to not hold the Trials @ USC.  

I think USA Swimming is with the rest of the US Olympic headquarters in Colorado Springs.  Indianapolis is the home of the NCAA, so that usually makes it a good spot for Olympic sports to have events.  And as opposed to in the past where using smaller facilities was acceptable, the trials need to be on a bigger event stage.  Don't know if that means they'll use the Dedeaux pool for the trials in 2028, but it's certainly going to be considered.  I'll bet NBC would love for it to be there so they can do some trial runs (pun intended) for their broadcasts

[Quaker2001]

3 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

QUESTION FOR THE DAY: 

>> Are Host Olympic Nations Allowed to Hold Their Own National Olympic Swimming Trials in the actual competition pool of Their Home Olympics? <<

 Does anyone know the answer to this?

On the SwimSwam website, a fan commented that they “read somewhere that Host Oly pic Nations are not allowed to hold their own Olympic Swimming Trials in their own home Olympics competition pool.  But I have not been able to confirm if this is true?

It's interesting that you did so much research on the US trials and put all this information together and then neglected to Google where the Australian trials (which, correct me if I'm wrong, were often the national championships each year) were held in the year 2000.  Which I believe very definitely answers this inane question of yours.

Most countries don't hold trials to decide their Olympic teams.  They used rankings and performance metrics or whatever other criteria they want to make those decisions.  The United States is often an exception because of the number of competitors.  And especially with bigger sports like swimming or track and field, they want to have a major competition that somewhat mimics the Olympic stage so they can see who can deal with the spotlight.

I don't know how many other countries have trials.  Many countries have national championship meets that double as a selection process, although it's not always the only means to qualify for the Olympics.

Either way, unless you can show a rule that exists that says a nation can't use the Olympic pool for the trials, we should assume no such rule exists.

[baron-pierreIV]

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

For 2028 Dededeux Field’s temporary pool in 2028, this would very like preclude US Swimming to hold the Olympic Trials in the temporary pool at Dedeaux Field since the facility will likely entering or actually already be in Olympic security lockdown mode and not available for use.  

Not so.  I know from LA 1984, they did the "sweep" for most of the venues 3 days before Lockdown -- and that was 2 or 3 days before actual competition.  You can't have security there 24/7 (esp since LA 1984 and as LA 2028 will be, privately-run events, therefore extra-overnight security like that will be paid for) more than 72 / 48 hours before.  At the villages, because they (UCLA and USC) are far more complex physically, are still-active campuses and there are a lot other, ancillary ops going in (Food Service, Housekeeping ops, etc., etc.), they did the sweeps / lockdown in stages because of the complexity of what else was going on in the campuses.  (USC had a small nuclear reactor as of 1984; so I believe, the commie and unfriendly nations were NOT billeted at USC.)  Plus, LAOOC was behind schedule in training their "private" security forces which were under LAPD command.  

Thinking more about it, it's NOT the policy of US Swimming to "avoid the upcoming US Olympic host city for their trials."  Until I get confirmation from someone at USwimming, the reasons they fall back on Indy or Omaha are purely logistical and financial.  Both LA and Atlanta pools & campuses were NOT ready to host some additional 500 bodies some 45-60 days before the venues officially opened.  And USwimming did not want to spend on booking an entire hotel just for the purpose.  I think USwim has standing arrangements with Univ. of Indiana and other universities in the area, to give them the dorm space they need for the athletes, the coaches, the officials, the refs., etc. for the dates USwim settles on (I estimate they count on at least 450 bodies they have to house.) 

When the trials end up in Omaha, I think it's because Phillips 66 can cover most of the cost/logistical reqs the meet needs when those are made available. 

These are just my conjectures.  

Edited November 9, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

36 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Not so.  I know from LA 1984, they did the "sweep" for most of the venues 3 days before Lockdown -- and that was 2 or 3 days before actual competition.  You can't have security there 24/7 (esp since LA 1984 and as LA 2028 will be, privately-run events, therefore extra-overnight security like that will be paid for) more than 72 / 48 hours before.  At the villages, because they (UCLA and USC) are far more complex physically, are still-active campuses and there are a lot other, ancillary ops going in (Food Service, Housekeeping ops, etc., etc.), they did the sweeps / lockdown in stages because of the complexity of what else was going on in the campuses.  (USC had a small nuclear reactor as of 1984; so I believe, the commie and unfriendly nations were NOT billeted at USC.)  Plus, LAOOC was behind schedule in training their "private" security forces which were under LAPD command.  

Thinking more about it, it's NOT the policy of US Swimming to "avoid the upcoming US Olympic host city for their trials."  Until I get confirmation from someone at USwimming, the reasons they fall back on Indy or Omaha are purely logistical and financial.  Both LA and Atlanta pools & campuses were NOT ready to host some additional 500 bodies some 45-60 days before the venues officially opened.  And USwimming did not want to spend on booking an entire hotel just for the purpose.  I think USwim has standing arrangements with Univ. of Indiana and other universities in the area, to give them the dorm space they need for the athletes, the coaches, the officials, the refs., etc. for the dates USwim settles on (I estimate they count on at least 450 bodies they have to house.) 

When the trials end up in Omaha, I think it's because Phillips 66 can cover most of the cost/logistical reqs the meet needs when those are made available. 

These are just my conjectures.  

There's definitely not a policy in place and I'll stick with that until proven otherwise.  We know the IOC will want full control of the venue at some point, but certainly not a month before.  I think the question is when will everything be full functional.

Important to remember the Olympics in 2028 are a little earlier than normal.  The Opening Ceremony is scheduled for July 14th.  That's the earliest start date in over a century, so that will affect when else they might be able to use the swim stadium, whether it's for Olympic Trials or something else.  As noted, the USC academic calendar will affect that as well.

The trials have very much become a big event and we can be darn sure that NBC will want to cover it in full, so that might dictate the where and when.  I could see them pushing to use the Dedeaux venue in an effort to push the Olympics for that summer.  Whether or not that's an option remains to be seen.  

[baron-pierreIV]

And you can't have the venues open, new, dressed up in Oly finery AND UNGUARDED way before they are put to use because they will be magnets for souvenir-hunters, vandals or worse from the anti-Oly forces.  

[Bear]

So a little more clarity on the timeline that I found:

Stankiewicz said he’s been assured the program will only be impacted from the fall of 2027 through the summer of 2028.

“That’s it. One year,” Stankiewicz said. “When it’s over, we’re going to be in a gorgeous, brand new Dedeaux.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2022-07-11/usc-baseball-coach-andy-stankiewicz-opportunity-challenges

I don't think it'll end by summer 2028 though, the Paralympics don't end until August 27, which would be around the start of the fall term for USC. So the revamped Dedeaux likely wouldn't open until spring 2029 or summer 2029, at the absolute earliest.

[AustralianFan]

31 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

And you can't have the venues open, new, dressed up in Oly finery AND UNGUARDED way before they are put to use because they will be magnets for souvenir-hunters, vandals or worse from the anti-Oly forces.  

I agree, that’s why Olympic venues are locked down and have a security force in place atva cert

 

2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

As for the US Swim trials for 2028, who knows how they will site that?  I never heard of such a law or edict re a host nation not allowing their home trials there.  Then, gee, why even bother to host an expensive set of Games?

If I were a hosting country, spending for the event, and this were imposed on me, I would tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine . . . and they could take their Games elsewhere. 

Of course, in other sports when they run their trials as "test events" at the pending Oly venue, they what?  They dress the
event as an "international / invitational meets" inviting a few athletes from 3rd tier countries to also test the venue and hold their own eliminations to make it appear that it is NOT a biased move to favor the host nation athletes.  I mean there are ways around it -- it just depends on how "creative" you want to be.  

I think that within the period 1 month before the Games in 2028, that the temporary competition pools will be installed on Dedeaux Field (swimming and diving).

This in itself will likely rule out Dedeaux Field as a venue for the 2028 US Olympics Swimming Trials who like to conduct these about one month before each Olympics.

Bigger picture - the entire Dedeaux Field precinct will also be in pre-games fever pitch preparation/construction phase before the 2028 swimming competition starts, including such things as:

• any preparatory/clearing needed work needed on the footprint of the temporary grandstands
• assemble and anchor the 20,000 capacity temporary grandstands
• assemble and install temporary diving pool, dive tower and swimming pool and filtration systems the raised pool decking and athletes/officials access points
• media/broadcasting prepatory overlay, food and beverage, portable toilets
• security screening and venue perimeter fencing
• venue lockdown and accredited security screen access only at a particular point in time ahead of the Games
• etc etc

The Olympic Swimming competition starts on 15 July 2028, the day after the Opening Ceremony.

This all points to USA Swimming holding the 2028 Olympic Swimming Trials one month prior at a different location within USA other than Dedeaux Field.

Will it be again held in temporary pools at Lucas Oil Stadium in 2028 as it will be ahead of the 2024 Games or another USA venue outside California?

[AustralianFan]

Just now, Bear said:

So a little more clarity on the timeline that I found:

Stankiewicz said he’s been assured the program will only be impacted from the fall of 2027 through the summer of 2028.

“That’s it. One year,” Stankiewicz said. “When it’s over, we’re going to be in a gorgeous, brand new Dedeaux.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2022-07-11/usc-baseball-coach-andy-stankiewicz-opportunity-challenges

I don't think it'll end by summer 2028 though, the Paralympics don't end until August 27, which would be around the start of the fall term for USC. So the revamped Dedeaux likely wouldn't open until spring 2029 or summer 2029, at the absolute earliest.

Excellent find @Bear

[baron-pierreIV]

5 hours ago, Bear said:

So a little more clarity on the timeline that I found:

Stankiewicz said he’s been assured the program will only be impacted from the fall of 2027 through the summer of 2028.

“That’s it. One year,” Stankiewicz said. “When it’s over, we’re going to be in a gorgeous, brand new Dedeaux.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2022-07-11/usc-baseball-coach-andy-stankiewicz-opportunity-challenges

I don't think it'll end by summer 2028 though, the Paralympics don't end until August 27, which would be around the start of the fall term for USC. So the revamped Dedeaux likely wouldn't open until spring 2029 or summer 2029, at the absolute earliest.

Yup; I've stated that all along -- that unlike 1984, LA28 will be hosting a whole set of Paras, hence, they need to keep the venues hosting the Paras open thru at least Sept 10, 15 or thereabouts,  Then they can be dismantled.  

Quote

Obdurate-headed Oz Fans falsely states:

I think that within the period 1 month before the Games in 2028, that the temporary competition pools will be installed on Dedeaux Field (swimming and diving).

This in itself will likely rule out Dedeaux Field as a venue for the 2028 US Olympics Swimming Trials who like to conduct these about one month before each Olympics.

Bigger picture - the entire Dedeaux Field precinct will also be in pre-games fever pitch preparation/construction phase before the 2028 swimming competition starts, including such things as:

• any preparatory/clearing needed work needed on the footprint of the temporary grandstands
• assemble and anchor the 20,000 capacity temporary grandstands
• assemble and install temporary diving pool, dive tower and swimming pool and filtration systems the raised pool decking and athletes/officials access points
• media/broadcasting prepatory overlay, food and beverage, portable toilets
• security screening and venue perimeter fencing
• venue lockdown and accredited security screen access only at a particular point in time ahead of the Games
• etc etc

  ANd, again, you state this because the brain trust of USA Swim told ya?  Sorry, buddy, I REJECT your timeline and that the pools will be above-ground.  Jeez, with an 11-year lead time, doncha think 1 month before July 15 would actually be too close?  Considering they will have access to the grounds  September 2027?  

I believe they will start tearing down the baseball diamond at Dedeaux Feb/Mar '28.  Do the required digging; transporting the dirt to LA Memorial for the build-up there; and finishing all necessary for the readiness of the '28 Aquatics venue; either for US trials (late May or early June) and the July 15 start of Oly competition.  

BTW, on your redundant list of which I already posted in more abbreviated form BEFORE YOU, you forgot:

1.  Tearing down the end wall of Uytengsu and making the easy connections (i.e., passageways) between Uytengsu and to the new pools; and 

2.  Clearly, test events both at the long pool; the smaller Diving/Syncho pool -- as they will have to FOR ALL venues.  (And some of those even a full year before--esp outdoor venues; approximating the exact meteorological conditions on the competition days of a year later.) 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

9 hours ago, Bear said:

So a little more clarity on the timeline that I found:

Stankiewicz said he’s been assured the program will only be impacted from the fall of 2027 through the summer of 2028.

“That’s it. One year,” Stankiewicz said. “When it’s over, we’re going to be in a gorgeous, brand new Dedeaux.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2022-07-11/usc-baseball-coach-andy-stankiewicz-opportunity-challenges

I don't think it'll end by summer 2028 though, the Paralympics don't end until August 27, which would be around the start of the fall term for USC. So the revamped Dedeaux likely wouldn't open until spring 2029 or summer 2029, at the absolute earliest.

I agree.  Don't know why it was ever thought that USC baseball would be replaced for longer than a year.  Although saying the disruption will only last through Summer of 2028 seems ambitious.  As noted, they can't tear down the swim stadium until after the Paralympics and even then, it'll clearly take some time to get the area playable as a baseball field, let alone with all the facilities that would make it ready to host a college program.  But I imagine since this is still a small capacity venue (as opposed to a stadium that seats several thousand people), they could have most if not all of it ready to go by the 2029 season.

4 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I believe they will start tearing down the baseball diamond at Dedeaux Feb/Mar '28.  Do the required digging; transporting the dirt to LA Memorial for the build-up there; and finishing all necessary for the readiness of the '28 Aquatics venue; either for US trials (late May or early June) and the July 15 start of Oly competition.  

They'll get going well before February.  No real concerns about working through the winter, so they'll start preparing the area in the fall of 2027.  Still think you're right about the above/below ground issue, but I know you're not going to be convinced otherwise.

Either way, they'll want to have some sort of test event there, something on a fairly large scale so they can make sure all the facilities are up to par.  And since they'll want that event to be as close to the Olympics as possible in order to have more preparation time, why not have the trials there rather than to build a temporary pool elsewhere since they'll already have this temporary pool.  Trials are usually a little over a month before the Olympics, so that means early June.  USC students are gone for the spring semester by then, so no conflict there.

[baron-pierreIV]

45 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

 Still think you're right about the above/below ground issue, but I know you're not going to be convinced otherwise.

Or, when they're actually ready to start laying the first brick, maybe settle for a midway level, i.e., not fully submerged (maybe dig 5/6 ft.  and raised 4-5"?)  Studies may show even MORE advantages and cost-cutting benefits that way? 

Mr. Oz-Fan Pool expert, what's the depth they give the diving pool?  I would think that's at least 15 ft. deep in the dive end - so part of the Dive Pool will definitely have to be dug deeper than the racing pool.  
Also, I find it hard to see who will inherit a full 50m Olympic pool?  The smaller Dive/Synchro Pool w/ Dive Towers are compact enough to be able to pass on to some campus.    

Edited November 10, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

3 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Or, when they're actually ready to start laying the first brick, maybe settle for a midway level, i.e., not fully submerged (maybe dig 5/6 ft.  and raised 4-5"?)  Studies may show even MORE advantages and cost-cutting benefits that way?  Also, I find it hard to see who will inherit a full 50m Olympic pool?  The smaller Dive/Synchro Pool w/ Dive Towers are compact enough to be able to pass on to some campus.    

How USA Swimming will put a pool in Lucas Oil Stadium for the Olympic Trials

Some background there on the pools they're planning on building for the 2024 trials in Indianapolis.  Very clearly states the pools will be built on top of the existing field.  They're not digging below the surface for it.

The way these things are set up, the materials make it very modular.  So once the Olympics and Paralympics are over, they can recycle a lot of the materials used for construction.  It doesn't need to be an Olympic sized pool that gets built elsewhere.  Although I do wonder how much, if any of the set-up will be designed to be useful for the new Dedeaux Field.

[baron-pierreIV]

28 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

How USA Swimming will put a pool in Lucas Oil Stadium for the Olympic Trials

Some background there on the pools they're planning on building for the 2024 trials in Indianapolis.  Very clearly states the pools will be built on top of the existing field.  They're not digging below the surface for it.

The way these things are set up, the materials make it very modular.  So once the Olympics and Paralympics are over, they can recycle a lot of the materials used for construction.  It doesn't need to be an Olympic sized pool that gets built elsewhere.  Although I do wonder how much, if any of the set-up will be designed to be useful for the new Dedeaux Field.

Well, you can't in an existing stadium.  I mean there are rebars already there, not to mention other infrastructure already buried in the Lucas Stadium floor.  Surely, they're NOT expecting to punch through all that.  (If anything, I hope they checked that the Lucas Stadium floor is solid enough to hold all that water from the 3 pools, without buckling.  Whereas I don't believe there is anything like that under Dedeaux Field (or other baseball fields around the country). 

Also, see my edited note re the Diving Pool.  Your link to the Lucas set-up does not MENTION a Diving pool.  So USA Diving will probably have its Trials at UI-Up?  But the Dive Pool is definitely deeper than the 3m deep for the pools at Lucas; I'd guess at least 5.5m deep.  So, an 18-ft deep pool, to be level with the dry platform level of the Race Pool will have to be sunk deeper in the ground.  

Also, in a set-up like Lucas, it's OK to lose a thousand seats or so due to an above-ground pool because you have 50-60 other rows of existing seats already.    

Edited November 10, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

29 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Well, you can't in an existing stadium.  I mean there are rebars already there, not to mention other infrastructure already buried in the Lucas Stadium floor.  Surely, they're NOT expecting to punch through all that.  (If anything, I hope they checked that the Lucas Stadium floor is solid enough to hold all that water from the 3 pools, without buckling.  Whereas I don't believe there is anything like that under Dedeaux Field (or other baseball fields around the country). 

Also, see my edited note re the Diving Pool.  Your link to the Lucas set-up does not MENTION a Diving pool.  So USA Diving will probably have its Trials at UI-Up?  But the Dive Pool is definitely deeper than the 3m deep for the pools at Lucas; I'd guess at least 5.5m deep.  So, an 18-ft deep pool, to be level with the dry platform level of the Race Pool will have to be sunk deeper in the ground.  

Also, in a set-up like Lucas, it's OK to lose a thousand seats or so due to an above-ground pool because you have 50-60 other rows of existing seats already.    

No, the diving trials are usually completely separate from the swimming trials.  The 2024 edition of the diving trials will be in Knoxville at the University of Tennessee.  They've been in Indianapolis before, including 1992 and 1996, but they were held months apart from the swim trials.  Much smaller scale event, so I don't think they'll use the Dedeaux venue in 2028.  They'll probably have some other test event to make sure the diving infrastructure is all good to go.  Dealing with crowds is something the can use the swim trials for.

[AustralianFan]

6 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Yup; I've stated that all along -- that unlike 1984, LA28 will be hosting a whole set of Paras, hence, they need to keep the venues hosting the Paras open thru at least Sept 10, 15 or thereabouts,  Then they can be dismantled.  

  ANd, again, you state this because the brain trust of USA Swim told ya?  Sorry, buddy, I REJECT your timeline and that the pools will be above-ground.  Jeez, with an 11-year lead time, doncha think 1 month before July 15 would actually be too close?  Considering they will have access to the grounds  September 2027?  

I believe they will start tearing down the baseball diamond at Dedeaux Feb/Mar '28.  Do the required digging; transporting the dirt to LA Memorial for the build-up there; and finishing all necessary for the readiness of the '28 Aquatics venue; either for US trials (late May or early June) and the July 15 start of Oly competition.  

BTW, on your redundant list of which I already posted in more abbreviated form BEFORE YOU, you forgot:

1.  Tearing down the end wall of Uytengsu and making the easy connections (i.e., passageways) between Uytengsu and to the new pools; and 

2.  Clearly, test events both at the long pool; the smaller Diving/Syncho pool -- as they will have to FOR ALL venues.  (And some of those even a full year before--esp outdoor venues; approximating the exact meteorological conditions on the competition days of a year later.) 

 

You seriously are very territorial about this.

In case you missed it, all required unmentioned works are covered under “etc etc” or access works which obviously cover athletes connection works from the warm-up pool to the mashalling area/changeroomd/lockers, competition pool deck entry point.

Regarding the construction of temporary stands and installation of temporary pools, I stand by my prediction that one month before, or within one month prior to the Games starting, there will be no US Olympic Swimming Trials nor a Test Event at Dedeaux Field as it will go into pre-games lockdown.

 

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Well, you can't in an existing stadium.  I mean there are rebars already there, not to mention other infrastructure already buried in the Lucas Stadium floor.  Surely, they're NOT expecting to punch through all that.  (If anything, I hope they checked that the Lucas Stadium floor is solid enough to hold all that water from the 3 pools, without buckling.  Whereas I don't believe there is anything like that under Dedeaux Field (or other baseball fields around the country). 

Also, see my edited note re the Diving Pool.  Your link to the Lucas set-up does not MENTION a Diving pool.  So USA Diving will probably have its Trials at UI-Up?  But the Dive Pool is definitely deeper than the 3m deep for the pools at Lucas; I'd guess at least 5.5m deep.  So, an 18-ft deep pool, to be level with the dry platform level of the Race Pool will have to be sunk deeper in the ground.  

Also, in a set-up like Lucas, it's OK to lose a thousand seats or so due to an above-ground pool because you have 50-60 other rows of existing seats already.    

Temporary Pool technology  can absolutely be installed on any flat surface, whether that is a grass infield of an indoor or outdoor stadium,  baseball pitch, concrete carpark, etc etc.

Dedeaux Field is not the first time that a temporary Diving Pool is installed on a stadium infield along with a temporary swimming pool.  Just because you cannot imagine it, does not mean there is an engineering solution because it’s been done before, multiple times around the world.  Relax, it’s happening and it will be a magnificent pair of competition swimming and diving pools close together on Dedeaux Field for LA2028.

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Well, you can't in an existing stadium.  I mean there are rebars already there, not to mention other infrastructure already buried in the Lucas Stadium floor.  Surely, they're NOT expecting to punch through all that.  (If anything, I hope they checked that the Lucas Stadium floor is solid enough to hold all that water from the 3 pools, without buckling.  Whereas I don't believe there is anything like that under Dedeaux Field (or other baseball fields around the country). 

Also, see my edited note re the Diving Pool.  Your link to the Lucas set-up does not MENTION a Diving pool.  So USA Diving will probably have its Trials at UI-Up?  But the Dive Pool is definitely deeper than the 3m deep for the pools at Lucas; I'd guess at least 5.5m deep.  So, an 18-ft deep pool, to be level with the dry platform level of the Race Pool will have to be sunk deeper in the ground.  

Also, in a set-up like Lucas, it's OK to lose a thousand seats or so due to an above-ground pool because you have 50-60 other rows of existing seats already.    

(corrected re engineering)

Temporary Pool technology  can absolutely be installed on any flat surface, whether that is a grass infield of an indoor or outdoor stadium,  baseball pitch, concrete carpark, etc etc.

Dedeaux Field is not the first time that a temporary swimming pool is installed on a stadium infield along with a diving pool.

Just because you cannot imagine it, does not mean there is not an engineering solution because it’s been done before, multiple times around the world.  Relax, it’s happening and it will be a magnificent pair of competition swimming and diving pools close together on Dedeaux Field for LA2028.

- - - - - - - - -

On a separate matter, a vid re the re Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis hosting the 2024 USA Olympic Swim Trials in temporary pools on the stadium floor.

 

[baron-pierreIV]

2 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

No, the diving trials are usually completely separate from the swimming trials.  The 2024 edition of the diving trials will be in Knoxville at the University of Tennessee.  They've been in Indianapolis before, including 1992 and 1996, but they were held months apart from the swim trials.  Much smaller scale event, so I don't think they'll use the Dedeaux venue in 2028.  They'll probably have some other test event to make sure the diving infrastructure is all good to go.  Dealing with crowds is something the can use the swim trials for.

Right.  But the Dedeaux Dive pool will be dug into the ground as it certainly cannot stand 20 feet tall above the ground and still be level to the Race pool IF that were to sit above ground.  

Not arguing that it cannot be done.  My point is it's the less realistic choice for 2028.  Cheaper, better and a "little more legacy" to sink them into or slightly above ground.  

Also, another point AF misses is that with a temp pool, you have to dismantle the WHOLE thing.  With sunk-in pools. you can leave the vertical walls in up to a certain point.  Who cares if they're there buried?  As a matter of fact, should be a gift for future generations -- like a Roman wall or something, of what used to be there.  Who knows, they could use them again for LA 2072?  

Here goes, the Dive Pool depth, it seems, is 5m.  So that pool will stick out 20 feet above the present surface level of Dedeaux?  LOL!!  

So, YOU'RE COMPLETELY WAY OFF & WRONG!!  I noticed how you completely disregarded the point about the Dive Pool because that shot your thesis down.   So, I declare that the 2028 pools will sink into the ground.  And who will inherit a 50m pool?  Got space in your backyard? 

Edited November 10, 2023 by baron-pierreIV

[AustralianFan]

29 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

  I noticed how you completely disregarded the point about the Dive Pool because that shot your thesis down.   So, I declare that the 2028 pools will sink into the ground.  And who will inherit a 50m pool?  Got space in your backyard? 

You seemed to have missed a few posts to still be asking these questions.

Check back a few posts because I asked the question about temporary dive pools and if/far down a temporary diving pool needs to be dug.

That question remains unanswered as we don’t know how high the pool decking overlay will be until it is assembled. 
 

Re what happens to the temporary pools afterwards? Again read back a few posts.

The temporary pools from Dedeaux Fiekd will likely,  be dismantled and moved to another location. Eg a preparatory school (as an example) somewhere or whatever the arrangement is. The Myrtha Pools link shows a few examples of where some of these pools are moved to.

[Quaker2001]

7 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Regarding the construction of temporary stands and installation of temporary pools, I stand by my prediction that one month before, or within one month prior to the Games starting, there will be no US Olympic Swimming Trials nor a Test Event at Dedeaux Field as it will go into pre-games lockdown.

The trials run 9 days to mimic the Olympic schedule, so they run from a Saturday to the following Sunday.  In 2028, that means the trials can run from Saturday, June 3rd through Sunday, June 11th.  They're done more than a month before the Olympics start, and the IOC gets the venue for pre-games lockdown.  Having the trials there doesn't do much to change the timeline for when the venue has to be delivered and they'll get the big test event they need.  Are you still insistent that's not possible because of some phantom rule that almost certainly doesn't exist about hosting trials in the Olympic pool?

[Quaker2001]

6 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Right.  But the Dedeaux Dive pool will be dug into the ground as it certainly cannot stand 20 feet tall above the ground and still be level to the Race pool IF that were to sit above ground.  

Not arguing that it cannot be done.  My point is it's the less realistic choice for 2028.  Cheaper, better and a "little more legacy" to sink them into or slightly above ground.  

Also, another point AF misses is that with a temp pool, you have to dismantle the WHOLE thing.  With sunk-in pools. you can leave the vertical walls in up to a certain point.  Who cares if they're there buried?  As a matter of fact, should be a gift for future generations -- like a Roman wall or something, of what used to be there.  Who knows, they could use them again for LA 2072?  

Here goes, the Dive Pool depth, it seems, is 5m.  So that pool will stick out 20 feet above the present surface level of Dedeaux?  LOL!!  

So, YOU'RE COMPLETELY WAY OFF & WRONG!!  I noticed how you completely disregarded the point about the Dive Pool because that shot your thesis down.   So, I declare that the 2028 pools will sink into the ground.  And who will inherit a 50m pool?  Got space in your backyard? 

Uh oh.  I see we're resorting to the large bold type to make it easier to read.  

I've said it many times that the actual design of the venue probably won't look exactly like the rendering.  But in the rendering, clearly everything is being built above ground, even if that seems nonsensical to you and you do make a couple of good points about accessibility, especially since unlike many of the temporary pools we're making examples of, this one includes a dive pool as well.

And yes, the whole thing will be dismantled, but it doesn't have to be re-built as a 50m pool elsewhere.  The parts and pieces can be used for anything.  Plenty of time to figure that one out, and I trust LA2028 to do the legacy planning better than most.  Especially considering as soon as this is all torn down, there will be a brand new construction project on the very same site that could probably use some construction materials.  Much of which will be going towards building the spectator stands rather than the pool.

[baron-pierreIV]

Again, I bring up the issue of pushing up the audience stands on HIGHER stilts in earthquake country.  Just at a quick glance, I think all the other temp venues with temporary audience stands are starting on existing ground level -- whereas if Dedeaux Swim will have the above-ground pool starting at 10ft higher, that means raising the stands for 20,000 ten feet higher.   Unless LA28 will be paying for CONCRETE pylons on which to put those stands, all of that will still be on temporary, fine tubing scaffolding in EARTHQUAKE country. 

From what I know of the insurance situation in CA today -- not even thinking 5 years hence when CA insurance might even be more difficult and more expensive, I think LA28 insurers AND LA County Dept. of Buildings would not lean on raising the audience stands if they could be put closer to the ground and therefore, use the available materials that would be used in other NON-earthquake parts of the country.  Get what I mean?  

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

The trials run 9 days to mimic the Olympic schedule, so they run from a Saturday to the following Sunday.  In 2028, that means the trials can run from Saturday, June 3rd through Sunday, June 11th.  They're done more than a month before the Olympics start, and the IOC gets the venue for pre-games lockdown.  Having the trials there doesn't do much to change the timeline for when the venue has to be delivered and they'll get the big test event they need.  Are you still insistent that's not possible because of some phantom rule that almost certainly doesn't exist about hosting trials in the Olympic pool?

No.

….  and I repeat yet again, I am predicting that the entire Dedeaux Field venue the venue will be unavailable for use for the US Swimming Trials at that time one month out from the Games as it will be a construction zone.

[AustralianFan]

30 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Again, I bring up the issue of pushing up the audience stands on HIGHER stilts in earthquake country.  Just at a quick glance, I think all the other temp venues with temporary audience stands are starting on existing ground level -- whereas if Dedeaux Swim will have the above-ground pool starting at 10ft higher, that means raising the stands for 20,000 ten feet higher.   Unless LA28 will be paying for CONCRETE pylons on which to put those stands, all of that will still be on temporary, fine tubing scaffolding in EARTHQUAKE country. 

From what I know of the insurance situation in CA today -- not even thinking 5 years hence when CA insurance might even be more difficult and more expensive, I think LA28 insurers AND LA County Dept. of Buildings would not lean on raising the audience stands if they could be put closer to the ground and therefore, use the available materials that would be used in other NON-earthquake parts of the country.  Get what I mean?  

I think it’s best that you leave these details to the engineers and Myrtha Pools.

This is not their first rodeo.

Website: https://www.myrthapools.com/en/competition-pools/