Los Angeles 2028

[baron-pierreIV]

3 hours ago, yoshi said:

The more interesting question is why have they moved them, and how far are the IOC willing to be flexible - enough to allow somewhere like Tokyo or non-Brisbane Australia to host at a more suitable time of year? I thought they were fully locked, that the opening ceremony had to be on the third or fourth Friday in July. 

Because I think UCLA and USC fixed their academic calendar year to accommodate the Olympics; hence, those are the best dates (including the Paras) they can give them and cause the least disruption for the normal operation of the 2 universities.  Remember, classes in summer 2028 will probably have to end 3 weeks earlier than July 14 so UCLA can be converted into a Village.  There will be even greater disruption at USC because they will lose their baseball field and football venue -- and those will have to be ready by mid-June so the USOC can hold its Olympic trials for Athletics and Swimming in those venues.  The 2 schools will probably cease all regular, summer academic operations (except for ongoing research).  

And then, of course, there is the interim period of converting some venues and dorms for the Para athletes coming a few weeks later.  So 2028 is a BIG disruption in I think USC's sked--more so than UCLA.  And then they will probably require 1 week-10 days to reconvert the dorms and halls back for the Fall school opening -- longer to tear down the swim venue and deconstruct the Athletics platform at Memorial.  

Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount aren't really large enough to take the slack from the 2 bigger schools.  Altho, like in 1984, those 2 schools will also be practice venues and back-up dorms for Security, Ceremonies performers, etc..   And I think LA Unified School District, of course, had to be considered in locking in those dates.  Besides, on everybody's calendars, it's easier - July for regular OGs, it's the gimps and gal-gimps for August!   

Edited July 20, 2022 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

3 hours ago, yoshi said:

The more interesting question is why have they moved them, and how far are the IOC willing to be flexible - enough to allow somewhere like Tokyo or non-Brisbane Australia to host at a more suitable time of year? I thought they were fully locked, that the opening ceremony had to be on the third or fourth Friday in July. 

I thought it was locked in too.  But we're talking about moving up a week.  It's not like they moved the whole thing to November because LA couldn't offer up air-conditioned stadiums as they had promised 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Because I think UCLA and USC fixed their academic calendar year to accommodate the Olympics; hence, those are the best dates (including the Paras) they can give them and cause the least disruption for the normal operation of the 2 universities.  Remember, classes in summer 2028 will probably have to end 3 weeks earlier than July 14 so UCLA can be converted into a Village.  There will be even greater disruption at USC because they will lose their baseball field and football venue -- and those will have to be ready by mid-June so the USOC can hold its Olympic trials for Athletics and Swimming in those venues.  The 2 schools will probably cease all regular, summer academic operations (except for ongoing research).  

And then, of course, there is the interim period of converting some venues and dorms for the Para athletes coming a few weeks later.  So 2028 is a BIG disruption in I think USC's sked--more so than UCLA.  And then they will probably require 1 week-10 days to reconvert the dorms and halls back for the Fall school opening -- longer to tear down the swim venue and deconstruct the Athletics platform at Memorial.  

Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount aren't really large enough to take the slack from the 2 bigger schools.  Altho, like in 1984, those 2 schools will also be practice venues and back-up dorms for Security, Ceremonies performers, etc..   And I think LA Unified School District, of course, had to be considered in locking in those dates.  Besides, on everybody's calendars, it's easier - July for regular OGs, it's the gimps and gal-gimps for August!   

That's the most sensible explanation I've heard yet.  Better than the 1 BS excuse I heard from someone saying that it's hotter in LA in August than in July, as if that's something they just discovered!

[yoshi]

Ah I see, makes sense - and that's a very big expense saved by not having a village (although you don't get the housing legacy out of it). I thought not long after posting that maybe it was to give enough time to get SoFi ready for the NFL season. 

[baron-pierreIV]

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

Ah I see, makes sense - and that's a very big expense saved by not having a village (although you don't get the housing legacy out of it). I thought not long after posting that maybe it was to give enough time to get SoFi ready for the NFL season. 

And it's not just UCLA and USC, the other colleges and universities in the area with dorms (UC Irvine, Long Beach State, etc.) are in on this and they too have to fix their academic calendars for the Olympic Games.  So the new dates have to work around the needs and schedules of the schools -- no one else's.  

P.S. Also, probably Stanford and San Jose State since half the early soccer games will be played in the Bay Area -- so those dorms are going to be in the mix as well.  So, about 500 soccer players/support staff/refs and officials, will be in SF Bay Area for the first week or so.  

Edited July 20, 2022 by baron-pierreIV

[Quaker2001]

8 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Ah I see, makes sense - and that's a very big expense saved by not having a village (although you don't get the housing legacy out of it). I thought not long after posting that maybe it was to give enough time to get SoFi ready for the NFL season. 

SoFi is the least of their concerns.  It's the Coliseum that has the major renovation and will be used for the Paralympics as well.  So it helps the cause for that to be over a week either in preparation for USC football season

[BigVic]

Will be from Mid-July as with the 1984 Olympics 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, BigVic said:

Will be from Mid-July as with the 1984 Olympics 

The opening ceremony for the `84 games was July 28th.  So this is a full 2 weeks earlier.  And the entire Olympics will be held in July.  Most of `84 was in August

[Olympics2028]

On 7/19/2022 at 4:50 PM, FYI said:

An interesting tidbit of Olympic trivia, though. Is that by those dates, L.A. 2028 will mark only the third time in Olympic history (& the first time in over 100 years [& also not being simultaneously part of a World's Fair), that a Summer Olympics will have taken place *entirely* in the month of July (1912 & 1924 being the other two solely July Summer Games). 

I didn't know that. I do recall reading, however, that the 1964 games took place in October (due to Tokyo's weather) and the 2000 games were held in September---again, I believe due to issues with the weather.

Not sure why the IOC and 2028 OOC have selected an earlier than typical date. The 1984 games (and 1996 ones too) overlapped the months of July and August.

The slightly earlier start date means the sun will set a bit later than it would later in July. I hope that means the opening automatically results in a daytime (or non-dark) ceremonial format. Photomapping and ending-type fireworks for opening ceremonies over the past few decades go a long way.

[Quaker2001]

3 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

I didn't know that. I do recall reading, however, that the 1964 games took place in October (due to Tokyo's weather) and the 2000 games were held in September---again, I believe due to issues with the weather.

Not sure why the IOC and 2028 OOC have selected an earlier than typical date. The 1984 games (and 1996 ones too) overlapped the months of July and August.

The slightly earlier start date means the sun will set a bit later than it would later in July. I hope that means the opening automatically results in a daytime (or non-dark) ceremonial format. Photomapping and ending-type fireworks for opening ceremonies over the past few decades go a long way.

Sunset on July 14, 2028 is at 8:01pm PDT.  On July 21st, it's 8:05pm.  It's a difference of 4 minutes.  Not going to make a huge difference in terms of the format.  Just means everything will shift a few minutes later

[FYI]

7 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

I didn't know that. I do recall reading, however, that the 1964 games took place in October (due to Tokyo's weather) and the 2000 games were held in September---again, I believe due to issues with the weather.

Not only Tokyo 1964, but Mexico 1968 was also held in October due to their weather. Other Games that were also held beyond the typical July-Aug. timeframe, were Rome 1960 & Munich 1972. Both of those were held in late Aug. to early Sept. Seoul's 1988 dates were also virtually identicals to Sydney 2000. Only off by one day.

7 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

Not sure why the IOC and 2028 OOC have selected an earlier than typical date. The 1984 games (and 1996 ones too) overlapped the months of July and August.

L.A. 2028 would still fall within the IOC's time-window rule of July 15th-Aug 31st (well, almost. Just off by a day lol). Another interesting tidbit of Olympic trivia, though, is that L.A. 2028 will now end the day the 1932 L.A. Olympics started.

[Bear]

15 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

Not sure why the IOC and 2028 OOC have selected an earlier than typical date. The 1984 games (and 1996 ones too) overlapped the months of July and August.

it's very obvious that these dates were selected to accommodate the academic calendars of USC, UCLA, and LAUSD

[baron-pierreIV]

4 hours ago, Bear said:

it's very obvious that these dates were selected to accommodate the academic calendars of USC, UCLA, and LAUSD

Plus Stanford and San Jose State (for the soccer events slated for the Bay Area) and pretty much the major schools of the greater LA/Long Beach/Irvine areas with useable dorms and significant sports facilities.  All of those will be put to use or at least be on standby,    

[Quaker2001]

26 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Plus Stanford and San Jose State (for the soccer events slated for the Bay Area) and pretty much the major schools of the greater LA/Long Beach/Irvine areas with useable dorms and significant sports facilities.  All of those will be put to use or at least be on standby,    

The issue is more about the Paralympics.  That will happen in the 2nd half of August where a lot of these schools are getting ready for the new year.  So any facilities that are only being used for the Olympics will probably be fine since those will obviously be done by the end of July

[baron-pierreIV]

1 minute ago, Quaker2001 said:

The issue is more about the Paralympics.  That will happen in the 2nd half of August where a lot of these schools are getting ready for the new year.  So any facilities that are only being used for the Olympics will probably be fine since those will obviously be done by the end of July

That too.  I forgot about that. I haven't really paid much attention to which schools they will be using.  

[AustralianFan]

As we look to LA2028,

 

[AustralianFan]

and from the LA84 Foundation

 

[AustralianFan]

..and NBC

 

[Quaker2001]

1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

..and NBC

 

It's amazing to think that was the last summer Olympics that NBC wasn't the US broadcaster for.  Los Angeles and the Olympics are forever intertwined with ABC and Wide World of Sports.  That will change in 6 summers.  And by 2032, NBC will have broadcast 12 straight Summer Olympics and 17 Olympics overall.

[Bear]

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1126540/cricket-los-angeles-2028

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Motorsport, cricket and karate among nine sports on shortlist for Los Angeles 2028 inclusion

Motorsport, cricket and karate are among the nine sports invited by Los Angeles 2028 to present their case for inclusion at the Olympics.
Baseball-softball, lacrosse, breaking, kickboxing, squash and flag football were also granted permission to submit Request for Information proposals for the sport programme review.

Sambo, flying disc and teqball, which have all shown interest in obtaining a place at the 2028 Olympics, are noticeably not on the list.

The nine shortlisted sports are due to make their arguments later this month.

A source has told insidethegames it is too early in the process to tell which motorsport discipline the International Automobile Federation (FIA) will propose for the Olympics, but it is expected to be karting.

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For motorsport and the other sports to be successful in securing a place at Los Angeles 28, their presentations are likely to focus on a six-point criteria list which includes supporting environmental stability, upholding integrity and fairness, and recognising both interest in the host country and offering global appeal.

The relevant International Federations have also been told to prioritise a reduction in the cost and complexity of staging the Games, promoting gender equality and engaging the best athletes.

Under the principle of reducing cost and complexity, Los Angeles 2028 has a cap of 10,500 athletes in total.

The limited number of athlete quota places can be particularly tricky for team sports to adhere to.

A total of 28 sports have already been confirmed on the programme, with the International Olympic Committee(IOC) saying there is a "pathway" for boxing, weightlifting and modern pentathlon to join them.

Cricket has not appeared at the Olympics since 1900 - the same year as motorsport.

The International Cricket Council is proposing the T20 format for the Games.

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Final approval of the additional disciplines the Los Angeles 2028 Organising Committee chooses to include is expected to be made at the IOC Session in Mumbai next year.

 

[baron-pierreIV]

Except for Lacrosse, all the others are really CRAP pastimes . . . diversions . . . NOT sports in my book.  How about trainspotting?  

[StefanMUC]

Base/Soft and Karate should be back really, the former maybe in this new reduced/mixed variants (forgot the name), like Rugby 7?

Squash really is a proper sport and should finally be considered with these “flexible” sports programme rules nowadays.

Lacrosse could be interesting, but as with Cricket and Flag Football, the team sizes would also be an issue.

Not sure about breaking - the “cool” sports debuting in Tokyo, in particular surfing and skateboarding, didn’t really convince me.

I hate kickboxing and any motor sports should really be a no-go anyway, so please get out.

As for sambo (what’s the point of yet another, much less known contact sport?), flying disc (cool, but maybe not taken serious) and teqball (still seems like an artificial hype to push some bizarre new equipment nobody would buy otherwise?) not making the list: good riddance.

 

[SportLightning]

Flag Football could make Olympic Debut.

[Olympics2028]

On 7/24/2022 at 5:22 AM, Quaker2001 said:

Sunset on July 14, 2028 is at 8:01pm PDT.  On July 21st, it's 8:05pm.  It's a difference of 4 minutes.  Not going to make a huge difference in terms of the format.  Just means everything will shift a few minutes later

Better that than the sun setting even earlier than when the 1984 opening occurred. I hope necessity (and financial considerations) mandate the opening of the 2028 games occur again (as summer and winter Olympics did originally) during the afternoon when the sun is still up.

Both openings and closings held in the dark - since 1992 - makes them too identical. The later PM schedule makes the start and ending seem like an even bigger blob, and gives an opening ceremony more of downbeat, somber look and tone.

 

[Olympics2028]

On 7/24/2022 at 9:47 AM, FYI said:

Not only Tokyo 1964, but Mexico 1968 was also held in October due to their weather. Other Games that were also held beyond the typical July-Aug. timeframe, were Rome 1960 & Munich 1972. Both of those were held in late Aug. to early Sept. Seoul's 1988 dates were also virtually identicals to Sydney 2000. Only off by one day.

 

I didn't realize that.

I recall the 2000 games were held later in the year and its TV ratings, at least in the US, were lower than previous games, which some analysts attributed to the later schedule.