Olympics2028 Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 A very preliminary sense of 2024 and 2028 several years ago possibly was evident from the candidate-city presentations. I notice the two bids used professionals who favored a certain look and particular video style. I recall when 2012 started presenting aspects of their games, from the day their logo was first presented right through to the last day of the 30th Olympiad, the tone of London 2012 never really changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted March 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, Olympics2028 said: A very preliminary sense of 2024 and 2028 several years ago possibly was evident from the candidate-city presentations. I notice the two bids used professionals who favored a certain look and particular video style. I recall when 2012 started presenting aspects of their games, from the day their logo was first presented right through to the last day of the 30th Olympiad, the tone of London 2012 never really changed. I think you’re reading too much into the bid candidate presentations. They’re usually very different from the ultimate Look. What you’re looking at in this videos is a pretty standard and common business/corporate presentation style. Which is really what they were for, a pretty standard bid tender. You can’t read much into that. It’s not meant to be, and has very different aims, from a global branding campaign. LA’’s Look we’ve not had many clues about so far, beyond the “kinetic” logo… which already shows a rapid and startling departure from their pastels bid style: Paris we know a little bit more. Their logo, of course, is very different from the bid material, he class and black and gold Marianne and the official site gives some tid-bits about colours and such: not a lot to go on yet, but in both cases very distinctively different from a corporate video style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sir Rols said: LA’’s Look we’ve not had many clues about so far, beyond the “kinetic” logo… which already shows a rapid and startling departure from their pastels bid style: There are a few clues, mainly in the website design, which features only white, black, and neon green, and in their social media banners which shows the words "LOS ANGELES 2028 OLYMPIC AND PARALYMPIC GAMES" in neon green against a black background. I wouldn't be surprised if these colors do end up being used for the Look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 As much as I like the current official emblem(s), I feel like the bid colors were more representative of the city and should have been kept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 ^ I'm talking just as much about a vibe that a person, group or place gives off. It's a very personal reaction towards that person or place. It won't be necessarily shared by many other people. Or anyone else. But trying to put it in less woo-woo terms, the color theme and videos of the 2028 bid group (at the time still a 2024 bid group) came off to me as somehow more friendly. YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, Olympics2028 said: But trying to put it in less woo-woo terms, the color theme and videos of the 2028 bid group (at the time still a 2024 bid group) came off to me as somehow more friendly. Now this I agree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted March 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bear said: There are a few clues, mainly in the website design, which features only white, black, and neon green, and in their social media banners which shows the words "LOS ANGELES 2028 OLYMPIC AND PARALYMPIC GAMES" in neon green against a black background. I wouldn't be surprised if these colors do end up being used for the Look Interesting. I just had a look. Food for thought at least. I wonder how much black can be used, classy though I think it is. I know at least black is being used as one of PAris’ three main colours. 1 minute ago, Bear said: As much as I like the current official emblem(s), I feel like the bid colors were more representative of the city and should have been kept I feel ya. I haven’t warmed to the LA logo yet, and have my doubts about its “kinetic” use. London’s was also meant to be a changeable logo, but that aspect wasn’t highlighted much in games time use. i always liked Sydney’s bid logo better than our games logo too. But then again, bids serve different purposes to the main game design elements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bear said: As much as I like the current official emblem(s), I feel like the bid colors were more representative of the city and should have been kept I have mixed or ambivalent reactions towards the official multi-logos versus the bid angel logo. Yet I also sense that the the traditional singular logo of the past is too much same 'ol, same 'ol. However, I don't feel as ambivalent about the 2028 format as I do about the 2024 logo or what happened when the 2020 organizing committee ran into some choppy waters, some involving legal issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bear said: Now this I agree with I notice you're listed as being based in LA. So you may have a sense of how the climate and overall look of its Mediterranean environment gives off a more friendly vibe. Both tangible and intangible. When the volcano was spouting off a few months ago in the Canary Islands, I watched videos from there. That area has the exact same look or vibe. Then again, the palm tree known as "Canary Island," which is seen throughout sections of LA, come from....duh. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Olympics2028 said: 1st time I have seen the final moments of that gold medal game from Atlanta 1996. Funnily enough, my friend Phil from Boulder, Colorado, had been assigned as the Italian men's team all-around-go-fer. So I inherited a white practice shirt of Team Italy, and, Oly 2028, I actually have a couple of yards of that green bunting with "Atlanta 1996" (the Most Fabulous Olympic Games of All Time!) but I have a darker green. Of course since I only have a 1-bdrm place, it's tucked away in a box. I have no room whatsoever to hang it up in full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 16, 2022 Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 12 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: I actually have a couple of yards of that green bunting with "Atlanta 1996" Don Mischner, a guy based in LA and long known in Hollywood/entertainment circles, played a big role in the ceremonies of 1996. I described that aspect of 1996 as a letdown. But 1996 still has the record of being the most attended summer games in Olympic history. It's also one of only 2 or 3 games that kept its budget under control. I read that the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo still ranks as having the lowest per-event cost of any summer games. Just as the look of the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City is very much due to an American, the ceremonies of 1996 are very much due to a person from LA. From that angle, where to lay the blame or praise has to be directed westward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseSaenz Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 6:13 PM, Olympics2028 said: I read that the US market where NASCAR has their largest numbers of fans is in the LA area. I don't know how the event went, money- and technically-wise. But some jokes a few posts above about the race being like watching the 110 freeway makes me wonder if NASCAR will want to do a repeat. Regardless, I still think something about a basic outdoor stadium - even the funky Coliseum - makes for a better backdrop for an Olympic games than the hermetically sealed design of places like SoFi. Agreed. I think the SoFi Stadium is a feat of engineering and a marvel to look at, but TV wise, nothing will beat a spectacular LA sunset washing the audience in a golden orange as the open ceremonies take place. As for the NASCAR event, I was in attendance and it was AWESOME. Die hard NASCAR fans will without a doubt have their opinions about it, but for a sport that needed an injection of excitement and grow their market, they hit the bulls eye with their event at the LA Coliseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 So FIBA has convinced Paris to move the basketball preliminaries out of Hall 6 in the Expo Porte de Versailles. Might that mean using the LA Convention Center for women's preliminaries is now a no go? There would certainly be no shortage of replacement arenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, stryker said: So FIBA has convinced Paris to move the basketball preliminaries out of Hall 6 in the Expo Porte de Versailles. Might that mean using the LA Convention Center for women's preliminaries is now a no go? There would certainly be no shortage of replacement arenas. No. It's not the quality of the hall. Based on previous box-office stats, LA 28 has assigned the prelims to a smaller 8,000-seat hall so that it will fill up more easily than a larger but EMPTIER hall. There are only so many seats LA can fill. And if early ticket sales show greater demand -- after the prelim match-ups are known, THEN they can always move the Women's Basketball prelims to a larger hall. Edited March 28, 2022 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 7:01 PM, Olympics2028 said: 1996 still has the record of being the most attended summer games in Olympic history 50 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: LA 28 has assigned the prelims to a smaller 8,000-seat hall so that it will fill up more easily than a larger but EMPTIER hall Those two are accidentally related. Atlanta 1996 was able to offer by far the most tickets in Olympic history (11 million), thanks mostly to the large size of local venues. However, the percentage of those tickets sold was only 75%- well towards the lower end of the range. That was still enough for a sales record, but it's not clear how many of those ticket sales translated to attendance, because around 4 million tickets (i.e. well over a third of the total) went to sponsors, "Olympic family" etc. Compare Sydney 2000, where far fewer tickets were offered but a higher percentage were sold, and because of scandals about non-transparent distribution of tickets to corporate clients, a much higher percentage ended up going direct to the public. The actual income from ticket sales in Sydney ended up 30% higher than in Atlanta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted March 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: Those two are accidentally related. Atlanta 1996 was able to offer by far the most tickets in Olympic history (11 million), thanks mostly to the large size of local venues. However, the percentage of those tickets sold was only 75%- well towards the lower end of the range. That was still enough for a sales record, but it's not clear how many of those ticket sales translated to attendance, because around 4 million tickets (i.e. well over a third of the total) went to sponsors, "Olympic family" etc. Compare Sydney 2000, where far fewer tickets were offered but a higher percentage were sold, and because of scandals about non-transparent distribution of tickets to corporate clients, a much higher percentage ended up going direct to the public. The actual income from ticket sales in Sydney ended up 30% higher than in Atlanta. Very interesting. That has parallels to my personal experiences. I attended Atlanta on a corporate junket (with IBM), and the tickets were flowing like confetti. Basically, every morning all you had to do was go down to the corporate hospitality desk at the hotel and ask for tickets to literally anything whatever you wanted to see that day and you got them pronto with no troubles. For Sydney, I had to work (our newspaper forbade all leave during the games - it needed all hands on deck for the games coverage). We were forbidden from taking any corporate hospitality tickets for the games because we were also running stories criticising politicians for taking games freebies and couldn’t be seen to be compromised or hypocritical. What tickets I got I had to get through the public allocation and they were hard to come by - you had to be extremely lucky to get specific events you wanted. London, I had my commercial sources. I arrived on day four and could still get extra tickets to some events beyond those I’d already ordered before I left Oz. By the beginning of week two, however, most tickets had dried up and it was hard to get anything - a friend in Brighton had asked if I could get “anything, no matter what, to get her and her boyfriend into Olympic Park” - and there was literally nothing available I could get for her. Edited March 28, 2022 by Sir Rols 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 hours ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: The actual income from ticket sales in Sydney ended up 30% higher than in Atlanta. Well, of course, you have to account for inflation. Ticket prices are always higher 4 years later. So that 30% increase isn't really a very reliable indicator of how many bodies actually showed up and bought tickets. It would be the body count at the gates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Well, of course, you have to account for inflation. Ticket prices are always higher 4 years later. So that 30% increase isn't really a very reliable indicator of how many bodies actually showed up and bought tickets. It would be the body count at the gates. In this particular case, ticket prices were not quite always higher! Quote https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/may/14/theobserver4 As tickets for the Olympics start to go on sale, the hot favourite is a seat to see Cathy Freeman, the 26-year-old Aboriginal runner from Mackay, Queensland, who is the Commonwealth 400 metres title holder. Sydney's sport-mad dashed to buy last Sunday's papers which all had competing Olympic ticket offers. But the day got far more exciting when more than 12,000 tickets for Freeman's first run on 22 September were, by accident, quoted at half-price. Freeman first grabbed the nation's attention in 1994, when after a win she ran a victory lap draped in both the Australian and Aboriginal flags. So when more than 8,000 A-list tickets (the best seats in the house) for the first round of the women's 400m were priced at A$85 (£34) instead of the correct price of A$165 (£66), the hotlines lit up. The 2,400 B-list seats (at either end of the oval stadium) were selling at £26 rather than £50. The 2,000 category C tickets (upper tiers) were a snip at £18 instead of £42. The Sydney Olympic organising committee, Socog, could lose up to $1m (£400,000) in the pricing fiasco. Its deputy chief executive, Michael Eyers, confessed his mistake to the Sydney press and promised the organisation would stand by the prices quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 /\/\ But that's ONE accidental drop in prices of just 12,000 tickets. So, it's not an across-the-board lowering of prices. More the exception than the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, baron-pierreIV said: /\/\ But that's ONE accidental drop in prices of just 12,000 tickets. So, it's not an across-the-board lowering of prices. More the exception than the rule. That'll teach me to be light-hearted. So, if we're doing this the hard way: 4 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: Ticket prices are always higher 4 years later That of course is only even potentially true for tickets within the same nation. For the Olympics, held in different nations every Olympiad, ticket pricing is always about what the market will stand. So yes, average revenue per ticket issued in 2000 was about $82.24, against just $51.20 in 1996. In 2004 it was, according to the same IOC marketing reports, exactly $60.00 per ticket, which is a little perturbing. Way down to $28.46 in low-income, low-tourism China, but then up to £120.49 for 97% sold-out 2012. Back down to $51.77 in 2016, the last Summer Games where ticket sales meant anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: That'll teach me to be light-hearted. So, if we're doing this the hard way: That of course is only even potentially true for tickets within the same nation. For the Olympics, held in different nations every Olympiad, ticket pricing is always about what the market will stand. So yes, average revenue per ticket issued in 2000 was about $82.24, against just $51.20 in 1996. In 2004 it was, according to the same IOC marketing reports, exactly $60.00 per ticket, which is a little perturbing. Way down to $28.46 in low-income, low-tourism China, but then up to £120.49 for 97% sold-out 2012. Back down to $51.77 in 2016, the last Summer Games where ticket sales meant anything. True. But, of course, I am basing my pricing on the AA seats for Opening Ceremony, always the MOST expensively priced and the most SOUGHT AFTER. But then if you add a US or other rich country Olympo-phile, the travel and lodging costs do add up considerably. (I've got that in a table in my book, but am pressed for time now to reproduce it. Maybe later.) How about a low value-currency country always hosting? India? Russ . . . oh, wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 I guess one of the 3 major goals of an organizing committee, a games' attendance, is the most important one for me. The other two, budget and organization, in the long run get pushed to the sidelines if a games' number of spectators is at least large and enthusiastic. What killed 2016 for me was not Rio's bloated budget or ceremonies/logos, etc. What killed it were venues with a lot of spectators dressed up as empty seats. I recall during one of the finals of track and field, there were noticeable sections of the Macarena stadium that had a sparse number of people in the stands. Strong attendance is why, even though I didn't think 2020's opening/closing were so-called charming or memorable and didn't care for 2012's opening/closing, etc, if London or Sydney wanted to host again, I'd think that was a good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 1:35 PM, JesseSaenz said: Agreed. I think the SoFi Stadium is a feat of engineering and a marvel to look at, but TV wise, nothing will beat a spectacular LA sunset washing the audience in a golden orange as the open ceremonies take place. As for the NASCAR event, I was in attendance and it was AWESOME. Die hard NASCAR fans will without a doubt have their opinions about it, but for a sport that needed an injection of excitement and grow their market, they hit the bulls eye with their event at the LA Coliseum. The LA Coliseum is in generally one of the most shabby urban areas of any Olympic games held over the past 90-plus years. Exposition Park will be supposedly improved over the next few years, but the neighborhood overall is not Grade A. But for the specific role of "Ceremonies," the Coliseum to me fits better for the purpose of "ceremony" than some hermetically enclosed, multi-billion-dollar stadium does. Whether a fancy So-Fi or the sleek Calavantra stadium in 2004, etc, the funky charm of a nearly 100-year-old stadium is my first preference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 There ya go again - round & round the same solitary points. Just BORING. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympics2028 Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said: Just BORING. Posters talking about posters instead of the subject of this thread is admittedly OT. Still, in all your years of commenting at GB, each of your posts are totally different from one another? Maybe so. If true, I congratulate you. You have way more angles in commenting on "Olympics" than I do. I personally can't come up with enough facets of "Olympics," "2028 Olympics" or "2028 Ceremonies" to be totally original in everything I key into this thread. Or the "Olympics" threads in general. As it is, I'm having to stretch in 2022 to bring up the subject of a mascot that 2028 will come up with. 2024 is possibly creating a mascot based upon a hat, which some will find goofy. But it's won't necessarily be any goofier than other games' mascots have been. The 1984 mascot did have a big hat. Personally, for my tastes "Sam the eagle" was too Disneyfied. This is an old film, with so many gaps or fadeouts, it might just as well date from 1950 instead of 1980. But 2028 has already unveiled their event's logo. So other facets of the next games in the US will be presumably rolled out in stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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