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Watchin all those opera singers in 1992 reminded me of how producers often overdo things. But a Placido Domingo or Jose Carreras, etc, would have worked with more choral accompaniment.

The sound of solo voices - whether operatic or pop, or rap - becomes hard or non-fitting after awhile. At least in what should be a big-time, big-sound, ceremonial format.

If 2028 commissions a goofball producer who wants a singer like this to perform, if she at least does her number against the backdrop of a large choir, it could work. lol. Even with the lyrics not being changed.

It would still be totally inappropriate, but not as ludicrously so. Even a choir can make this sound somewhat heroic. lol.

 

 

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The overseer of this group is based in LA. She appears to be politically in sync with Casey Wasserman. She also said in another vid that her choir is where people of different philosophies (Democrat, Republican) can sit together. Plus, this performance occurred only a few miles away from the 2028's Rose Bowl:

I'd like someone similar to her to oversee a lot of the 2028 ceremonies. Even more so since I want the 2028 games to use a theme along the lines of a salute to the 7 continents of the world. That would include a segment featuring Africa.

Hey, there's also a movie connection to that theme. John Williams not only has scored the music of a lot of recent Olympic games, he also wrote "Amistad."

Fit the pieces of the puzzle together, 2028 OOC.

 

 

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I recall this in 2012 and wondering who Kate Bush was. She isn't as big in the US as she is in the UK. But even if she were bigger and more current, a segment featuring her music still didn't work. Mainly because they played only a track of her song and didn't, of course, use a choir during the number. So it wasn't as effective as it could have been. The lyrics also didn't fit the Olympics.

"If I only could, I'd be running up that hill
If I only could, I'd be running up that hill"

It doesn't hurt me
You want to feel how it feels?
You want to know, know that it doesn't hurt me?
You want to hear about the deal I'm making?
You (be running up that hill)
You and me (be running up that hill)

You don't want to hurt me
But see how deep the bullet lies
Unaware that I'm tearing you asunder
There's a thunder in our hearts, baby
So much hate for the ones we love
Tell me, we both matter, don't we?
You (be running up that hill)
You and me (be running up that hill)
You and me won't be unhappy

Huh? Wut? The 2012 OOC also spent big money on a large runway stage - in the shape of the Union Jack - made even more expensive because it had images of newspapers imprinted on it. Why? What was the supposed to mean? The 2012's uniformed on-field participants were also outfitted in hats with those light bulbs stuck on top of them.

The Kate-Bush segment included a bunch of white boxes (carbon unfriendly?) that a lot of dancers were stacking up. Then those dancers towards the end all lied down flat on the floor. As though they had passed out in exhaustion from their routine? Or what was that supposed to represent? 

2028 OOC should use this as example of way more money than necessary being poured into an opening or closing.
 

 

 

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The Kate Bush segment also showed videos on the stadium screens of athletes during the 2012 games. But the field was cluttered with a lot of "huh?" distractions (dancers and white boxes) and the music and its lyrics were also "huh? from decades ago, that the segment didn't really seem to be part of an Olympics.

Even this brief moment, which cost a fraction to perform and display, is more effective to me:

 

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4 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

 

I hope they don't do that. For one thing, something about SoFi Stadium makes me think the format of a ceremony will fall flat.

It will be similar to the difference between the classic 1964-era National Stadium in Tokyo compared with the largely enclosed one that replaced it.

Also, if they hold the opening in SoFi, the 2028 OOC may be tempted to spend (and waste) money on a new cauldron. Given what happened in Tokyo, please, 2028 OOC, just say no.

Lighting the same cauldron we have been watching at sporting events hosted in la coliseum since 30 years ago is just cheap, and boring, and will have a worse effect for the games, since it will make them lack of an identity which is even a greater problem considering american olympics have issues building an identity compared to other countries with unique and vibrant cultures such as brazil, china or japan (ehmmm the 1996 olympics french fries cauldron). My guess, both the old cauldron at memorial colisum and a new one at SoFi will be lit at the same time

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Oly-28.  Got the latest word from certain 2028 quarters.  There are 2 schools of thought now on how to stage the Ceremonies -- either from an Illuminati or Qanon POVs.  Cirque du Soleil, once they have recovered from doing Paris, will referee and decide between the 2 competing schools of thought.  :lol: 
P.S. They have also prohiibited their creative teams to even peek at SkyscraparCity or Gamesbids.com.  B)

 

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^ Based on 2020, I'm not impressed with the new for the sake of the new. The modern cauldron lit several months ago was slick and had a lot of bells and whistles. But the original caldron from 1964 not only came with history, it seemed more fitting. It seemed a better symbol of both the human touch and natural spirit. It wasn't mechanical and robotic.

The original one was also a permanent fixture at the top of the stadium. So it was more visible and built-in.

The new one also required a bigger carbon footprint, so it was environmentally (politically too) bad form of the 2020 OOC to redo it.

I notice that the cauldron used in the 1948 games in London was also on the field, not visible from outside the stadium and was moveable from its location.

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

Cirque du Soleil, once they have recovered from doing Paris, will referee and decide between the 2 competing schools of thought.  :lol:

 

Tell them that this the most fabric I want to see in 2028.

Actually, if the bits of fabric used by this group came in the five Olympic colors, they'd fit theme of a summer games.

Manufacturers of fabric won't be happy with that, however. They expect Olympic ceremonies to contain lots and lots of costumes, made up of layers and layers of fabric, tons and tons of cloth, all shaped like abstract gizmos, and bizarre shapes and colors in general.

 

 

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If the 2028 OOC does slip in some provincialism into the ceremonies, a full-sized choir can make a dumb idea like saluting TV shows filmed in LA sort of work. Or the equally cliché concept of presenting LA's beach culture.

I want the 2028 games to pay tribute to the world, however, so any local/US angle should be used sparingly.

2008 and 2012 in particular were so overdone and overbearing in playing up the host city/country, it made me even less impressed by an OOC sticking too closely with a part of the Olympic charter. That being a host presents aspects of its culture and history to the audience. Since that charter has been stretched and squeezed for decades, dumping that one proviso should be no big deal.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Olympics2028 said:

The new one also required a bigger carbon footprint, so it was environmentally (politically too) bad form of the 2020 OOC to redo it.

You could at least put more research on the things you are saying...

Tokyo 2020's cauldron burned hydrogen, "produced via the electrolysis of water using solar power produced at a plant in the Fukushima Prefecture."

So no, it did not require a bigger carbon footprint.

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^ To fabricate that cauldron sure did require a lot more energy than re-using the one from 1964. Even worse, the 2000 OOC tore down the perfectly useable National Stadium and rebuilt it into the current one.

Since the IOC and other entities have a big thing about reducing the planet's carbon footprint, they can't even manage the simple things like keeping existing cauldrons and stadia.

BTW, I notice your location indicates Mexico City. The 1968 games cauldron and the way it was lit are more impressive to me than what happened a few months ago. The 1968 OOC seemed to either coincidentally or purposefully duplicate the look/format of the 1964 games. Although people and places back then tended to be more formal and serious Or what seems more adult-like. The 1968 games were the first to go with a master-plan look of the Olympics, including things like general graphics and layout. I read the 1984 people riffed on some of that:

 

 

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There was the bit with the Rowan Atkinson character in 2012, the nutty band leader in 1996, the trio of speed walkers in 1992 and, the most over-the-top of them all, the cuckoo groundskeeper crashing his cart into the stage in 2000.

I don't want humor in 2028 to be greater than this. Anything more and it becomes way too hokey-jokey and beclowns the Olympics:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

Even worse, the 2000 OOC tore down the perfectly useable National Stadium and rebuilt it into the current one.

No.

You are incorrect. 

The Sydney 2000 Olympic Stadium has never been torn down. 

The two end Grandstands were only modified to put a roof over them, reduce capacity and brough in closer to the field of play which itself was reduced in size somewhat.

The two huge main grandstands either side which held most spectators at Sydney 2000 are untouched.  

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2 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

^ To fabricate that cauldron sure did require a lot more energy than re-using the one from 1964.

Nonsense.   Absolute nonsense.   

It was an environmentally friendly hydrogen flame.

Again shooting your mouth off with nonsense and bs post after bs post after bs post.

Seriously, take a chill pill.

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LOL. Time is going so fast that 2020 became 2000, not even 2010. Sheesh.

My comment about the 1964 versus the 2020 cauldron still stands. I'm very chill with that. 

I'm also posting my own comments or ideas, not just post of posts from other sources. Okay?

The other threads at gamesbid.com are fairly inactive, so others have to keep them going. I'll take care of this thread, you can deal with another one.

This is a version of Amistad. It's the type of music which makes me prefer even more the idea that 2028 be themed to the continents of the world. Although there are 5 symbolized in the Olympic flag, they refer to the continents - not all 7 - involved in the Olympic movement at the time the banner was created. 

 

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Sigh… I’ll bite

Considering the pomposity, self-importance and seriousness the IOC and various hosts like to bestow on what is at heart really just a sporting entertainment spectacle, the Olympics are more than deserving of a bit of pin-pricking and healthy efforts to bring levity to the table. I applaud any host with the self confidence to throw a pie in the faces of the games.

By the way, regarding the runaway groundskeeper of 2000 - firstly, it was attached to the closing ceremony, which is always meant to be more relaxed, informal and celebratory than the opening. And that particular segment was actually part of the pre-show warm-up, rather than the ceremony itself. Guess you never got to the part with the drag queens, big sharks or giant robo-frankenroos.

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2 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

^ To fabricate that cauldron sure did require a lot more energy than re-using the one from 1964. Even worse, the 2000 OOC tore down the perfectly useable National Stadium and rebuilt it into the current one.

Since the IOC and other entities have a big thing about reducing the planet's carbon footprint, they can't even manage the simple things like keeping existing cauldrons and stadia.

Assuming you made a typo and meant 2020, it seems convenient for you to ignore that a large portion of the 2020 venues were reused from 1964...

As for National Stadium, it made sense to rebuild it for a couple of reasons:

  • Capacity - the old National Stadium had a capacity 48,000. Modern Olympic Stadiums have capacities of around 60,000 and above. You also have to take into consideration press seating and VIP seating, which can easily take out a large portion of the overall seating.
  • Accessibility - Remember that the Olympic Games don't come by themselves. You also have to make the stadium accessible for the Paralympic Games soon after, so you need to have the stadium be wheelchair accessible, and have wheelchair friendly seating.
  • Technological upgrades - WiFi, TVs, electronic scoreboard, etc.

You might point out that LA is using the nearly 100 year old LA Memorial Coliseum, my response to that would be that the Coliseum has already received upgrades to bring the stadium to a modern status, as well as more planned in the future in preparation for the Track and Field events in 2028.

Sure, Tokyo could have upgraded old National Stadium instead, but instead rebuilt it. I think that it probably had to do with the Stadium's size as well, since it's harder to fit more seats in an existing structure without damaging it or changing how it looks entirely (I mean, look at Chicago's Soldier Field, you might as well rebuild the stadium than keep adding onto it and getting an uneven mix of old and new). At least the LA Coliseum already had the capacity standards since the start and was large enough to handle modernization upgrades.

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7 minutes ago, Olympics2028 said:

LOL. Time is going so fast that 2020 became 2000, not even 2010. Sheesh.

My comment about the 1964 versus the 2020 cauldron still stands. I'm very chill with that. 

I'm also posting my own comments or ideas, not just post of posts from other sources. Okay?

The other threads at gamesbid.com are fairly inactive, so others have to keep them going. I'll take care of this thread, you can deal with another one.

This is a version of Amistad. It's the type of music which makes me prefer even more the idea that 2028 be themed to the continents of the world. Although there are 5 symbolized in the Olympic flag, they refer to the continents - not all 7 - involved in the Olympic movement at the time the banner was created. 

 

Olympics2028, please refrain from taking on any “saviour role” for any thread.

All you are doing is exhibiting obsessive compulsive behaviour by flooding this LA2028 thread with your relentless obsessive compulsive posts and multiple youtube clips on choirs.

Please back off with your unhealthy relentless flooding of this thread.

 

 

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