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This hot off the IOC website:

New Olympic Programme in 2012

08 July 2005

The 117th IOC Session in Singapore voted today to include 26 of the 28 current Olympic sports on the programme of the Games of the XXX Olympiad in 2012. The Session decided that baseball and softball will remain on the list of Olympic sports as noted in the Olympic Charter, rule 46, but will not be on the programme for 2012. The two sports are, however, eligible for inclusion in the programme of the 2016 Games.

 

The IOC Executive Board will convene later today and decide whether any of the five candidate sports (Roller Sports, World Squash, Golf, Karate or Rugby) should be put forward to the Session, who will then vote on which sport(s) could be added to the list of Olympic sports and then potentially be included on the programme of the 2012 Games.

Now it get's interesting. Who's going to fill the gap? My money's on Rugby and Squash?

It's interesting that they're not committing themselves to premanently dropping sports. I suppose this is going to be a regular part of each IOC voting session then.

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Wow!  While I'm not surprised that baseball and softball were taken off the programme, I didn't really expect two sports to be "dropped."  

I'm thinking that rugby has a really good shot, especially since the games are in London.  Do you think that there is any chance two sports will not be added?  I cannot really anticipate 28 sports not being included.  What will be sport #2?  (I think the remaining sport will be squash or golf, but I really have no idea.)

I suppose this is going to be a regular part of each IOC voting session then.

It will certainly be interesting to see how these regular votes pan out.  (Will there be programme changes often?)

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It will certainly be interesting to see how these regular votes pan out.  (Will there be programme changes often?)

I think it should work positively. It certainly adds some bite to the IOC against sports IFs that don't perform up to scratch from one games to another.

I assume they'll always be working off an expended roster of sports now, so will be able to tailor each games more to individual hosts. Rugby would be a shoe-in for London, for example, Baseball for a US games etc.

It could be interesting to see if different bids will start pitching particular sports as part of their campaigns.

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I assume they'll always be working off an expended roster of sports now, so will be able to tailor each games more to individual hosts.

It could be interesting to see if different bids will start pitching particular sports as part of their campaigns.

"Choose the bride behind the Burkha" for a Dubai Games...  :wwww:

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Thank god they're out.

Though I don't know what these two sports really are, I do know they are quite popular so how about adding both cricket and rugby into the program?

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Frankly, whilst I think Baseball's loss is not worth any remonstration or sadness, softball's departure is a bit of a downer. The essential problem with baseball was that its appeal was limited to at best 5 nations, at worst 3. And in the case of one of those countries, i.e. the USA, the professional MLB players were too doped and too rich to even contemplate participating.

Softball on the other hand hasn't had anywhere near the problems encouraging the best players in the world to particpate, and whilst its appeal is limited there has been some huge moments in the event's brief run in the games programme. Undoubtedly the USA Vs Australia games at Atlanta and Sydney stand out...remember the missed base plate and Peta Edabone hitting a home run bringing in 2 runs on the last pitch of the game from Lisa Fernandez in the 96 round robins?

The problem always has been each event has needed purpose built stadia that generally will not support themselves outside of the games, and outside North America and Japan. So no one should be too surprised that they've gone...

As for the other two sports, surely here's an opportunity for rugby 7s to come in for a men's tournament only, and forget adding a 28th sport? Or maybe there should have been a look at netball for the women. Unless the IOC can get an all female squash, karate, golf or roller sport event, the programme will be less gender-balanced (they wont have a women's rugby event), and of course this encourages gigantism.

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John Coates (one of the three Aussie IOC members) has made these comments:

Coates shocked at Olympic axings

Australian Olympic Committee (AOC) president John Coates has spoken of his shock at the exclusion of softball and baseball from the 2012 Games, and warned that that the decision could cost Australia medals.

Coates said Australia's three International Olympic Committee (IOC) members would now concentrate on having rugby sevens included in the 2012 program.

Australia won silver medals in both baseball and softball at last year's Athens Games.

"I'm shocked and disappointed," Coates said in a statement. "It is very sad to lose two of our member sports."

Softball and baseball were dumped from the Olympics to make way for two new sports after a secret vote by the IOC rank-and-file in Singapore

Coates said he had believed the sports would survive the vote.

"Problems with doping in US baseball probably cost the sport dearly," he said. "Softball was a bigger shock, especially with the push within the IOC to further increase women's participation in the Olympics."

He said Australia's strength in rugby sevens, golf and squash could make up any medal deficit arising from softball and baseball being dumped.

Baseball and softball's ejection opens the door for two of golf, squash, karate, rugby sevens and roller sports to be added.

Baseball Australia's chief executive Don Knapp slammed the decision to dump his sport and questioned the merits of any of the replacement sports.

"I would like to see it be a sport that is recognised as a legitimate sport," he said.

"Rugby sevens is an adapted sport, inline skating, I don't know what it is. Golf's a great sport, should have been in the Olympics years ago. But I just want to make sure it is a sport and not some 'you beaut' idea."

The Australian Softball Federation (ASF) said it was saddened by the decision but expressed hope it could regain a spot at the 2016 Games.

"It's a sad day for softball following the decision by the International Olympic Committee that softball and baseball would not be a part of the Olympic program for the 2012 Games in London," ASF said in a statement.

The ASF took heart from IOC president Jacques Rogge's remarks when announcing the decision, that the exclusion related only to the 2012 Games and did not mean the sports were out of the Olympics forever.

"Despite the sad news, softball could still be considered for the 2016 Games," it said

So, has WADA and the problems experienced over American attitudes to drugs had an impact here?

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Aparantly squash and karate were the closest to being included but failed to get a 2/3 majority.

I am so dissapointed with the actions of the IOC today. I have completely lost faith in them.

After the excitement of Wednesday, the last two days have been completely fucked, in our new host and in Singapore.

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Certainly it wasn't a major suprise that, of the two sports facing elimination, these two were the most likely to go.  I'm a little suprised Modern Pentathalon survived, but hey, you can't just axe them all at once.

But no additions?  Why?  If the cap is 28 sports for the olympics, why on earth would they decide not to hold the maximum?  Maybe its meant to leave the door open for baseball for 2016 for NYC, like Baron suggested, but that seems to be giving the IOC too much credit.

Oh well, at least London can shave a little off the costs of the games now.

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Frankly, whilst I think Baseball's loss is not worth any remonstration or sadness, softball's departure is a bit of a downer. The essential problem with baseball was that its appeal was limited to at best 5 nations, at worst 3. And in the case of one of those countries, i.e. the USA, the professional MLB players were too doped and too rich to even contemplate participating.

Softball on the other hand hasn't had anywhere near the problems encouraging the best players in the world to particpate, and whilst its appeal is limited there has been some huge moments in the event's brief run in the games programme. Undoubtedly the USA Vs Australia games at Atlanta and Sydney stand out...remember the missed base plate and Peta Edabone hitting a home run bringing in 2 runs on the last pitch of the game from Lisa Fernandez in the 96 round robins?

The problem always has been each event has needed purpose built stadia that generally will not support themselves outside of the games, and outside North America and Japan. So no one should be too surprised that they've gone...

As for the other two sports, surely here's an opportunity for rugby 7s to come in for a men's tournament only, and forget adding a 28th sport? Or maybe there should have been a look at netball for the women. Unless the IOC can get an all female squash, karate, golf or roller sport event, the programme will be less gender-balanced (they wont have a women's rugby event), and of course this encourages gigantism.

First of all, MLB players were never allowed to play in the Olympics. They would've slaughtered even before doping became popular among the players.

It's not a big deal in the US. The USA minor leaguers on the Olympic team suck.

We're able to watch baseball just about all year round in the States.

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So please explain to me if anybody on Earth is getting any benefit from this eviction and the removal of two sports from the program, down to 26.

This looks that 'feel good' action by the IOC. 'Look we are getting reasonable we are downsizing the Games'.

In this case they should have chosen Madrid where all the facilities were already built.

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 I'm a little suprised Modern Pentathalon survived, but hey, you can't just axe them all at once.

But no additions?  Why?  If the cap is 28 sports for the olympics, why on earth would they decide not to hold the maximum?  Maybe its meant to leave the door open for baseball for 2016 for NYC, like Baron suggested, but that seems to be giving the IOC too much credit.

The Pentathlon survived because:

1.  It doesn't require new venues

2.  There are probably like 30-40 athletes only; so no biggie there.

3.  It's one of the last Original Olympic sports

4.  And if you have that stupid Triathlon in; so why should MP not keep its place?  

As for baseball and pentathlon, one really has to read in between the lines.  The IOC is saying to New York and the USOC -- come back in 2009; and we can throw those 2 back in for an NYC Games since (the new) Yankee Stadium will be a great place to play it.  

(And while, personally, I was never happy with baseball being made an Olympic sport since technically there are only 7 countries that really take it seriously: USA, Canada, Cuba, Japan, Taiwan, Panama & Nicaragua. That's just 2 regions: North-Central America and 2 countries in Asia.)

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I just don't understand why they drop baseball and softball but keep badminton or table tennis in.    Explain the logic of that to me!!!    Baseball will be fine as a sport with MLB being the "gold medal" for baseball players but softball getting the ax seems pretty harsh.  

I read in the NY Times that when Rogge wanted to have a "show of hands" ballot when the new sports were being voted on that the delegates booed!   Those guys don't want to do anything in the open, do they!

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Rogge is weak, weak, weak in the IOC...

The only good news in this Singapore session, from my standpoint, is that Modern Pentathlon survives...

I will go to the MP event in London...  :D

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Rogge is weak, weak, weak in the IOC...

No.  It's not that he's weak.  The majority of the IOC membership is still a bunch of spoiled rich bureaucrats who were appointed by the likes of the old autocrat Samaranch, and who ARE very resentful that Rogge is attempting to make him and the organization a more responsible and accountable organization.  

If anything, Rogge, should just dimiss the old fogeys there.

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