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As part of a project I had to do recently, I looked into the summer olympic games and had to identify areas where it could be improved and made easier to host. I ended up compiling these findings into a full report (even though I didn't have to - I know, I get obsessed) which I thought would be worth sharing to see if there's any agreement. Please find the whole text below. Any comments welcome. It doesn't really matter, this isn't official, just interested to see if anyone agrees and if all that work I did was worth anything.

 

PROPOSALS FOR THE SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES

 

 

Contents

Section 1 – Aims of this report

1.1         Introduction

1.2         Mission Statement

Section 2 – The Recommendations

                 2.1 Core Sports

                 2.2 Grouped Recommendations

                            2.2.1 Team Sports

                            2.2.2 Combat Sports

                 2.3 Individual Recommendations

                            2.3.1 Badminton

                            2.3.2 Baseball/Softball

                            2.3.3 Basketball

                            2.3.4 Boxing

                            2.3.5 Diving

                            2.3.6 Equestrian

                            2.3.7 Fencing

                            2.3.8 Field Hockey

                            2.3.9 Football

                            2.3.10 Golf

                            2.3.11 Handball

                            2.3.12 Modern Pentathlon

                            2.3.13 Rowing

                            2.3.14 Rugby Sevens

                            2.3.15 Sailing

                            2.3.16 Shooting

                            2.3.17 Synchronised Swimming

                            2.3.18 Table Tennis

                            2.3.19 Tennis

                            2.3.20 Volleyball (Beach)

                            2.3.21 Volleyball (Indoor)

                            2.3.22 Water Polo

                 2.4 Football and Rugby Sevens Recommendations

                            2.4.1 Football

                            2.4.2 Rugby Sevens

Section 3 - Outcomes and effects of the recommendations of this report being enacted.

Section 4 - Proposal for a permanent, single-use venue

                 4.1 Proposal

                 4.2 Facilities and logistical considerations

                            4.2.1 Facilities

                            4.2.2 Logistical considerations

                 4.3 Benefits

 

 

 

1 Aims of this report

 

1.1         Introduction

 

This is the result of an independent report into the staging, financial feasibility and quality of competition in the Summer Olympic Games. In times of financial hardship, it is important for the IOC to recognise the hardship and troubles that potential host cities would face in hosting the games and that motions can be put in place to help ease this. Furthermore, this report also takes into consideration the global popularity of sports that are part of the Olympic program and whether these levels merit a place in the games.

  

This report was conducted in strictest neutrality, observing the structure of Olympic competitions, taking into consideration the number of competing athletes and countries in every Olympic event and recommendations are made based on inconsistencies,

 

1.2         Mission statement

 

The overall aim of this report is to:

 

-       Take into consideration the current global financial difficulties that would effect the staging of the Olympic Games.

-       To find ways the Olympic Games can be made easier to stage, both financially and logistically, by:

-         Identify extraneous parts of the Olympic program.

-         Identify Olympic events where the number of athletes can be reduced due to either low standard of competition, an overlong Olympic competition or low international participation.

-         Restructuring existing events to allow for more concise planning of the events and use of host venues.

-       Identify places where greater geographical participation can be achieved.

-       Propose new methods of organisation to allow better use of host cities’ infrastructure.

-       To seek out ways to continue the relevance and importance of the Olympic Games.

-       To seek out ways to make the Olympic Games more competitive.

 

2 The Recommendations

 

2.1 Core Sports

 

Seven sports have been identified as being an integral, or ‘core’, part of the Olympic Games and should remain a part of the program. These are: Athletics, Archery, Combat Sports, Cycling, Gymnastics, Swimming, and Weightlifting.

 

2.2 Grouped Recommendations – General recommendations for multiple sports

 

2.2.1 Team Sports (Basketball, Field Hockey, Football, Handball, Rugby Sevens, Volleyball and Water Polo)

 

-       Reduction of teams to eight in each sport.

-       No longer allow qualification spot to world champions - the Olympic Games and the respective World Championships will all be entirely separate competitions.

 

2.2.2 Combat Sports (Judo, Taekwondo, Wrestling, Karate)

 

-       Combat sports to be lumped into a single category, with the events in question to be chosen on a games-by-games basis. Combat sports will be held in a single venue and must accommodate one another.

 

2.3 Individual Sports Recommendations

 

Please Note: Where a sport is missing, it is in the opinion of this report that no action needs to be taken.

 

2.3.1 Badminton

 

-       Reduce total number of competitors by 17 to 155.

-       Qualifying pool to allow for wider international participation.

 

2.3.2 Baseball/Softball

 

-       Make an optional sport, host nations can choose whether to include them in their bid plans.

 

2.3.3 Basketball

 

-       In the men’s event, teams will be limited to two NBA players. In the women’s event, teams will be limited to two players under contract to the WNBA. This will be to allow for a more competitive tournament.

-       Teams must qualify via a qualifying tournament.

 

2.3.4 Boxing

 

-       Reduce number of competitors from 286 to 226.

 

2.3.5 Diving

 

-       Reduce number of competitors by 18 to 117

 

2.3.6 Equestrian

 

-       Reduce number of competitors by 71.

 

2.3.7 Fencing

 

-       Reduce number of competitors by 21 to 191.

 

2.3.8 Field Hockey

 

-       Qualification for the men’s event will be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 2 Europe, 1 Oceania, 1 Americas, 1 Asia, 1 Africa and 1 Qualifier

-       Qualification for the women’s event will be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 1 Asia, 1 Europe, 1 Americas, 1 Oceania, 1 Africa and 2 Qualifiers.

 

2.3.9 Football

 

-       See section 2.4.1 for full Football recommendations.

 

2.3.10 Golf

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to an already over-active professional calendar.

 

2.3.11 Handball

 

-       Restructuring of Olympic tournament to either an eight-team league followed by medal matches or eight-team group stage followed by knockout round.

-       Qualification for both events be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 2 Europe, 1 Asia, 1 Africa, 1 Americas and 2 Qualifiers.

 

2.3.12 Modern Pentathlon

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to low geographical reach

 

2.3.13 Rowing

 

-       Removal of four and eight-team events from the Olympic program due to low geographical reach and low participation.

 

2.3.14 Rugby Sevens

 

-       See section 2.4.2 for full Rugby Sevens recommendations.

 

2.3.15 Sailing

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to low international participation and to avoid the possible logistical problem of host being unable to provide a suitable location.

 

2.3.16 Shooting

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to low geographical reach.

 

2.3.17 Synchronized Swimming

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to low participation.

 

2.3.18 Table Tennis

 

-       Qualifying pool to allow for wider international participation.

 

2.3.19 Tennis

 

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to an already over-active professional calendar.

 

2.3.20 Volleyball (Beach)

 

-       Restructuring of both men’s and women’s Olympic competitions to either a 16-team knockout tournament or a 16-team group stage followed by knockout round.

 

2.3.21 Volleyball (Indoor)

 

-       Restructuring of Olympic tournament to either an eight-team league followed by medal matches or eight-team group stage followed by knockout round.

-       Qualification for the men’s event to be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 2 Europe, 2 Americas, 1 Asia, 1 Africa and 1 Qualifier

-       Qualification for the women’s event to be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 2 Europe, 2 Asia, 1 Americas, 1 Africa and 1 Qualifier

 

2.3.22 Water Polo

 

-       Qualification for both events to be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 2 Europe, 2 from an integrated Asia & Oceania tournament, 1 Americas, 1 Africa and 1 Qualifier.

-       Oceania teams can no longer qualify by decision.

-       Should no African team be deemed eligible for competition, their spot will be converted into another qualifier berth.

 

2.4 Football and Rugby Sevens recommendations

 

2.4.1 Football

 

EITHER

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to an already over-active professional calendar.

OR

-       Competing teams will be the best non-qualifiers of respective continental championships (in the case of South America, the best team not to reach the knockout stage). This will give the Olympic football tournament a long-needed USP.

-       Qualification for both events to be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 1 Europe, 1 South America, 1 North America, 1 Oceania, 1 Asia, 1 Africa and 1 Qualifier. Qualified teams must be full IOC members.

-       The women’s event to be age-restricted to encourage the growth of the sport from the youth level.

-       The reduction to eight teams per event will mean a smaller number of competition venues and training facilities will needed to be provided. Hosts can choose to stage the football event in as little as two FIFA-approved stadiums, or more should they feel they can provide more.

 

2.4.2 Rugby Sevens

 

OPTION 1

-       Competing teams in the men’s event will be the best non-qualifiers for the edition of the Hong Kong Sevens previous to the Olympic Games. Teams will qualify from continental championships and will be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 1 Europe, 1 Oceania, 1 Africa, 1 Americas, 1 Asia, the winner of a Europe-Oceania play-off, and 1 Qualifier. Competing teams in the women’s event may not be a core team of the edition of the IRB Women’s Sevens World Series of the year previous to the Olympic Games. Teams will qualify from continental championships and be allocated to: Host Nation (subject to approval), 1 Europe, 1 Oceania, 1 Africa, 1 Americas, 1 Asia and 2 Qualifiers. Should no African team be deemed eligible for competition, their spot will be converted into another qualifying berth.

 

This will be in order to separate the Sevens World Series from the Olympic tournament and to encourage the growth of the game in countries where the sport is less popular.

OPTION 2

-       Removal from the Olympic program due to low geographical reach.

OPTION 3

-       Take no action.

 

 

 

3 Outcomes and effects of the recommendations of this report being enacted

 

Outcome

Effect

Total number of participants reduced by approximately 2,270

 

- Greater financial ease

- More competitive events

- Host cities will need to provide less housing for athletes

More competitive events         

- Help maintain the significance of the Olympic Games

Inclusion of sports high in popularity at the time of the games and removal of sports that are not

Greater geographical participation

- Encourage growth of sports outside of strategic areas where it is particularly popular or dominant

Football recommendations and Rugby Sevens option 1

- Create USP for the Olympic Games tournaments; separate from other mainstream competitions.

Fewer venues required

- Greater financial ease

- Make best use of venues; allow multiple events staged in same venue

- Reduce travel for athletes, officials and spectators

Fewer events and competitors making the summer games easier to stage

- More locations putting themselves forward as candidates to host the Olympic Games.

 

 

 

4 Proposal for a permanent, single-use venue

 

4.1 Proposal

 

To create a permanent venue (location TBC) for the Olympic Games, with facilities for all 32 sports currently on the Olympic program, allowing room for more to be added in future.

 

Each NOC will pay a nominal fee for the construction and maintenance of these facilities, the amount flexible depending on each NOC’s annual income. In return they will be granted participation in the Olympic Games.

 

No longer a rotation of host cities, the Games will be forever staged in this single-use venue.

 

4.2 Facilities and logistical considerations

 

4.2.1 Facilities

 

-       Aquatics and Diving stadium, could also incorporate surfing facility

-       Archery Park

-       Athletics stadium (could be shared with Rugby)

-       Indoor arenas for Badminton, Basketball, Boxing, Combat Sports, Fencing, Gymnastics, Handball, Sport Climbing, Table Tennis, Indoor Volleyball Water Polo and Weightlifting.

-       Baseball and Softball park

-       Beach volleyball stadium

-       Canoe slalom course

-       Velodrome

-       Suitable mountain biking course

-       BMX track

-       Equestrian park with full equine facilities

-       Field Hockey stadium

-       Minimum 2x Football stadia (could share with Rugby)

-       Golf course

-       Modern Pentathlon course

-       Rowing and Canoe sprint course

-       Rugby stadium (could share with Football or Athletics)

-       Suitable sailing location

-       Shooting range

-       Skate park

-       Full tennis facilities

 

4.2.2 Logistical considerations

 

Location of permanent Olympic park will have to be situated within a reasonable distance of:

-       Suitable sailing location

-       Stretch of water suitable for rowing and canoe sprint

-       Roads for marathon, triathlon (running and cycling events), road cycling

-       Suitable mountain biking course

 

4.3 Benefits

 

-       All can be assured the events will take places in well-maintained facilities that meet all requirements and standards.

-       All will be assured facilities will be ready in time for the games.

-       Time and money saved on bidding process for host nations.

-       Reduce the amount of money going in to the IOC.

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Welcome to GameBids.

I think we agree that the Games need to be downsized for their own good. The IOC did somehow manage to reduce athlete quotas for Tokyo 2020 despite unveiling a sport program that will feature a significant increase in the number of events.  This reduction is just a drop in the bucket as there really needs to be a drop down to around 8,000 athletes, which is in line with your proposal,

I agree that golf should go and perhaps it is time for the IOC and FIFA to part company. I disagree with your position on shooting as it does enjoy widespread participation.

I have never been enamored of the permanent host idea. Just deciding what that would be located is fraught with political overtones. Your proposal basically calls for a Disney World of sports facilities.  How would they be utilized between Games?  Would the facilities used to house the athletes, media, and spectators be put to good non-Olympic use? Your concept of "if you pay, you can play" is also quite interesting given that many nations have to scrape to send their athletes to the Games, let alone contribute to the maintenance of sports facilities that might be halfway around the world.

Your last point about the amount of money going to the IOC being reduced also caught my attention. The IOC's revenue basically comes from two sources-tv rights and sponsorships. This money will always be substantial, as long as the Games maintain the lofty esteem in which they are held (fortunately, most people still hold the Games in high esteem, if not the body that runs them). The IOC also owns the Games and everything associated with them and they are entitled to benefit financially from their existence,

Though I may differ on some points, this is really an excellent first post.  It provided some really good food for thought.

 

 

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BTHarner :

Where it says 'reduce money going in to IOC', basically means to prevent candidate hosts bribing members for votes during the bidding process. If the games are in a permanent venue then this won't be a problem anymore.

The permanent location would have all the things that are required for a regular Olympic games, including media centres and athletes village. It could be used for events other than the Olympic games.

Rephrasing "Each NOC will pay a nominal fee for the construction and maintenance of these facilities, the amount flexible depending on each NOC’s annual income. In return they will be granted participation in the Olympic Games." to "Part of each NOC's membership fee will go towards the maintenance and construction of the venue, with those with a higher GDP and net value, and greater participation in the Olympics on a games-by-games basis, paying more."

Sorry for not being entirely clear, but I'm glad you enjoyed reading the proposals and found some value in them.

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Some interesting ideas in the opening post. I'm not in favor of a permanent host city either, but I do think the use of existing permanent venues that aren't entirely near a host city geographically is necessary. I posted a link in another thread about how the IOC wants candidates for the 2026 WOGs to use an existing sliding track. SLiding tracks along with ski jumps are sport specific and often see little to no use afterwards (I think you'll see this after the Pyeongchang games). Other venues that I think the IOC should allow for greater geographic distance are the canoe/kayak course, velodrome, and the big albatross that haunts many prospective SOG cities, the athletics stadium.

Velodromes and canoe/kayak slalom courses are very sport specific and costly. For example, Rio had a relatively new velodrome built for the Pan Ams yet the UCI determined it unacceptable for an Olympics and it was demolished and an entirely new one built in its place. Why? Because it was slightly smaller in capacity? That's another issue. Sports federations need to be willing to accept slightly smaller capacity venues. The last few Olympics have been noted for tons of empty seats anyways. Use an existing velodrome that's a bit out of the way along with the canoe/kayak slalom course. The same could be done for rowing as well. Tokyo took a good step with using an existing velodrome that's a ways out from Tokyo. Speaking of Tokyo, another ridiculous expense is the building of the Ariake Arena instead of using the existing Yokohama Arena. Yes I realize volleyball is popular in Japan, but how much use is the arena going to get post-Olympics in a city, even the size of Tokyo, that has a number of suitable indoor arenas . FIVB wants a shiny new arena for the Olympics and Tokyo buckled to their demands. These are the kind of issues that are being used by groups that oppose hosting an Olympics.

I've commented on the athletics stadium issue before and it is the primary issue that keeps viable host cities such as New York and Chicago from mounting credible bids. And the options for dealing with it are few. If you have a sports team that can take over a 60-80,000 seat stadium post-Olympics then it works out. If not, it's a nightmare. The idea of reducing a stadium that size to 20-30,000 has proven to be a failure. Using a platform track like Los Angeles is proposing and Glasgow hdid is promising but you need an oval shaped stadium to be able to do so and most stadiums today are built in a rectangular format, not ideal for laying an athletics track. IMO, the IOC needs to either accept a smaller capacity stadium for athletics much like the IAAF is doing for the world championships in Eugene or use a 60-80,000 seat stadium that is outside the host city.

 

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Thanks for the clarification firstin08.

I think a lot of us have our own ideas on how to improve the Games, such as Stryker's comments above.  I recently posted my ideas on another site recently which included the elimination of all team sports, all the additions to the 2016 and 2020 program, and sports whose venues leave a questionable legacy. I mentioned canoe/kayak slalom as an example (this was before I realized that some cities have made good use of their slalom venues. I also kicked weightlifting out for obvious reasons.  These changes would have cut the number of venues needed at Rio by 13 and would have put the number of athletes at 8000. Of course this will never happen, 

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Interesting proposal Firstin08. I've been meaning to put in my two cents' worth since you first posted but re4ally didn't have the opportunity to now.

As proposals go, yeah, it's as valid as any other. My beef is that when it's becoming a bigger and bigger burden for cities to host, the IOC still goes on adding even more and more events to the carnival. Personally, I think there should a lot more flexibility by hosts to set their own program - the core "must have" sports roster should be reduced and the hosts should be allowed to prupose their own programs beyond that to suit their local interests a bit more. That's not to say I don't see the problems with that as well. I also could support a proposal like BTHarner's in eliminating all team sports from the games. Also, as BTHarner pointed out, I also did initially take issue with you labelling shooting as of limited geographical participation - I'd argue it's one of the more universal of the Olympic sports and one of the cheaper ones for any city to stage.

Also, like BTHarner and Stryker, I'm not a fan of a permanent host (to put it mildly). Physically, it would be extremely hard to mount a business case for having a single location on a permanent Olympic footing - you're looking at a massive waste and under-use of expensive facilities for three out of every four years. And politically it would be a crap shoot - where's it going to be? What's it going to do to the popularity and global inclusiveness of the games to have it set in stone in a single time zone that leaves two-thirds of the globe out in the cold permanently? Who's going to pay to maintain it between games? I firmly believe that the globalism of the games is part of its major appeal, and to reduce that by way of a permanent host - or even a short roster of semi-permanent hosts - would be a big mistake. I'd argue that the main task is more to rein-in the temptation by hosts to be ever more vainglorious and profligate in their hostings (more easily said than done, of course).

Still, I recognise that the permanent host idea is one that never dies, comes up regularly each games cycle and seems to have some certain appeals and advantages. I just don't think those advantages really stand up under scrutiny.

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On 12/07/2017 at 1:34 PM, Firstin08 said:

Where it says 'reduce money going in to IOC', basically means to prevent candidate hosts bribing members for votes during the bidding process. If the games are in a permanent venue then this won't be a problem anymore.

Instead, local crimelords would vie with each other to cash in on the regular 4-yearly bonanza in their hometown.

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Innsbruck's proposal for a possible 2026 WOG is unique in terms of no planned Olympic Village and making use of venues not just outside of Innsbruck but outside of the country including speed skating at Inzell and ice hockey in Munich. Interesting in that with previous cross-country bids the venues have been those such as a ski resort with a required 800m vertical drop, not the indoor arenas for the ice events.

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