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8 June 2017 - the UK elects, generally...again


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So, this just happened in Downing Street:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39629603

It could yet be voted down, as you can't just hold an election when you feel like one without getting 2/3rds of the Commons on your side - but as Labour say they'll vote with the government, that's extremely unlikely to happen. So, it's pretty certain that we're going to be getting in on the act of major European elections in 2017 in 6 weeks time. 

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When the story of this election comes to be written by the academics and historians, it will take them a very long time to sift through all the mixed messages of what is a quite extraordinary result.

Every time I think how idiotic the US election system is (and it's really stupid at times) I look at other countries and feel better.  Who sets up a system that allows the leader to say, "I'm way

There's no mechanism for that. Even if you had proof Trump himself had paid Russian hackers to go into the systems and change votes, he is still POTUS. At best, Congress can vote to impeach him, but t

Yes, but we've also had Scot Nat referndum, General Election and a EU referendum since 2014.

I know who I'm voting for, so I'm disengaging till I go to the polling station.

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Every time I think how idiotic the US election system is (and it's really stupid at times) I look at other countries and feel better. 

Who sets up a system that allows the leader to say, "I'm way up in the polls, let's have an election right now to prove it."

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40 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

Every time I think how idiotic the US election system is (and it's really stupid at times) I look at other countries and feel better. 

Who sets up a system that allows the leader to say, "I'm way up in the polls, let's have an election right now to prove it."

Actually, believe it or not, that's not the case anymore! The Fixed Term Parliament Act introduced a few years ago by the coalition government changed it so that an election outside of the normal five-year cycle can only be held if 2/3rds of Parliament votes in favour. This was introduced precisely to stop governments calling elections when they're riding high in the polls.

Trouble is, freak circumstances have blown a huge hole in this. Therasa May has been mocked by opposition parties for not having a mandate as PM (she wasn't elected PM, Cameron was) or - more importantly - a mandate for her Brexit stance for negotiations with the EU. So opposition MPs have backed themselves into a corner. They can't mock a PM for not having an electoral mandate for her Brexit policies and then oppose the idea of an election prior to the Brexit negotiations which will determine if she has a mandate or not! So Labour will vote for the election and the 2/3rds majority will easily be reached.

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2 hours ago, zekekelso said:

Every time I think how idiotic the US election system is (and it's really stupid at times) I look at other countries and feel better. 

Who sets up a system that allows the leader to say, "I'm way up in the polls, let's have an election right now to prove it."

Was thinking about what would happen in the US if there was evidence that the presidential election result had been tainted by Russian dirty tricks and the collusion of the trump campaign team... surely the election would need to be held again?? 

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4 minutes ago, Ripley said:

Was thinking about what would happen in the US if there was evidence that the presidential election result had been tainted by Russian dirty tricks and the collusion of the trump campaign team... surely the election would need to be held again?? 

There's no mechanism for that. Even if you had proof Trump himself had paid Russian hackers to go into the systems and change votes, he is still POTUS. At best, Congress can vote to impeach him, but that just kicks him out of office and makes elevates the VP. There aren't any do-overs. 

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On 19/04/2017 at 10:18 AM, Frenchy said:

Those who voted for Brexit last year in order to "stick it up to Cameron and the Tories" without realising the mother of all $h1t-fest it would entail might be wise enough to vote Lib-Dem this time round.....

Lib-Dem? Sadly, Tim Farron hasn't yet managed to do anything useful with them.

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YeeeHAAA...U.K.B)

1979 is turning out to be an awesome year!!!...Oh hey wait a minute. :blink:

 

 

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Sorry for the analogy,

What the hell is happening in Britain? This Brexit chaos is becoming a dumpster fire across the pond. Reading news from UK internal politics is like watching a trainwreck. Reading things like this destroy the faith in humanity srly,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/07/tories-intensify-attacks-brussels-saying-supports-labour

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2 hours ago, Roger87 said:

Sorry for the analogy,

What the hell is happening in Britain? This Brexit chaos is becoming a dumpster fire across the pond. Reading news from UK internal politics is like watching a trainwreck. Reading things like this destroy the faith in humanity srly,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/07/tories-intensify-attacks-brussels-saying-supports-labour

Conveniently blaming EU for NHS failure...sounds familiar. Thank God they'll soon be able to invest those 350 million GBP per week into it once the Brussels yoke is gone.

And why should any EU27 country be interested in making Brexit a success if that means they will have to pay the price for 51% of Brits falling for the xenophobic press and Tory lies?

Those people need a reality check soon and hard, but instead they'll get a hige majority with such a foolish opposition right now.

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This could be one of the most amazing upsets in politics. There are 3 scenarios:

1) The exit poll is wrong and the Tory's maintain a slight majority
2) There is a hung parliament and May rules as PM with a minority (although there would be a big push for her to resign)
3) Extremely unlikely but Labour form some sort of coalition with the SNP and the other nationalist parties.

Any way, in any of these scenarios, the biggest loser is Theresa May and her days as P. M. are probably numbered at this moment.

 

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Either way, it's so fun to see that this whole plan about calling a snap election to get a "strong and stable" government for the Brexit negotiations has so spectacularly backfired (unless the exit polls are really far off!).

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53 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Either way, it's so fun to see that this whole plan about calling a snap election to get a "strong and stable" government for the Brexit negotiations has so spectacularly backfired (unless the exit polls are really far off!).

Speaking of that, I wonder if Theresa May and company are just another collateral damage of Trump. From going to a new special relationship ala Reagan-Thatcher to twitter feuds with British mayors and scandals of security vulnerability.

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