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  1. 1. Who can step up urgently...Your suggestions? (at least until Mondayafternoon GMT)

    • Liverpool
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    • London
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    • Gold Coast (Double hosting)
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    • Australia other
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    • Canada
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    • New Zealand
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    • Singapore
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    • UK other
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  2. 2. Should South Africa be suspended from next year's Commonwealth Games as punishment?

    • Yes
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    • No
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  3. 3. Should Durban be allowed to "Pass" and host 2026?

    • Yes
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    • No
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37 minutes ago, Rob. said:

Interesting....all these cities suddenly jumping at it when it'd be a rush but showed no interest in bidding originally. Bizarre.

This was pre-pan am games. Now post games which were a success you will have some interest.

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The London stadium is still an athletics stadium. The new lower tier seating bringing the crowd closer for football is just fancy scaffolding and will be removed each summer when the stadium hosts ath

Would love to see Toronto host and also Singapore. It would be great to see London host - if only so I could volunteer & post brexit and psot UK - I think I may need cheering up - lol!

KLKLKL.  The Malaysians have the venues - none need a great deal of work.  The only issue is a village but they seem to have slapped up a new skyscraper each time I've visited.

On 13/03/2017 at 8:11 PM, JMarkSnow2012 said:

Best of luck with that, given that their 2026 plan tentatively involved the creation of a big new stadium for Everton F.C.

No actual announcement about that staidium, but looks like Jim Royle could be booked for the opening ceremony if this tweet from Liverpool's Mayor is anything to go by

 

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53 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Or maybe the CGF were so determined to take the games to Africa that once they had (what seemed like) a credible African bid, they privately discouraged any potential rivals. 

I think all that talk by Gideon Sam of 2022 being "reserved" for Africa was just him trying to push his hobby horse. The CGF certainly never made any such announcement. I don't believe for a minute they were set on Africa before anywhere else and discouraged any rival bids. They would have been happy to get bids from anywhere. Sure, they were probably also happy that Durban did give them an African candidate, but I still think if Edmonton had lasted the distance, it may have been doubtful whether Durban would have got the final nod at the end.

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Manchester joins race to host 2022 Commonwealth Games

A Manchester City Council spokesman said: “It is disappointing that South Africa and Durban have been unable to organise the 2022 Commonwealth Games. Manchester has always considered itself part of the Commonwealth Games family and we worked incredibly closely with the Commonwealth Games Federation to deliver a memorable 2002 Games here in the city.

“If we were invited to help we would be pleased to work with the Commonwealth Games Federation and the government to ensure the delivery of a successful 2022 Games in England which could make a significant contribution to the growth of the northern powerhouse as well as supporting the Commonwealth sporting family.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/15/manchester-birmingham-liverpool-commonwealth-games-2022-host?CMP=share_btn_tw

Not sure the headline is complete on the money. Offering to "help" sounds fairly non-committal, maybe they just want to offer Liverpool options at this stage (e.g. if Liverpool wants to bid but doesn't want to build a velodrome). Let's wait and see...

 

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5 hours ago, Rob. said:

Not sure the headline is complete on the money. Offering to "help" sounds fairly non-committal, maybe they just want to offer Liverpool options at this stage (e.g. if Liverpool wants to bid but doesn't want to build a velodrome). Let's wait and see...

 

Those 2002 Games were pretty good. One of the better hostings.

Agree with your comment...More helping Liverpool with facilities (?). 

I'm still leaning towards London as fall back host but only if all other options are exhausted. That includes leaving them in Australia. 

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Kuala Lumper seems the most realistic option to me with them hosting the SEA games this year.  I really don't think Liverpool, Birmingham or even Manchester could cope with the quick turnaround, mainly due to the stadium, so London would be the best UK option.   I really think though it would be in Liverpool and Birminghams interest to push for it to go to KL in 2022 then stay on track for their 2026 bid, preferbly from Liverpool rather than Birmingham.

If the Gold Coast weren't hosting in 2018 then Melbourne would probably be the favour - you get the impression they could host any multi-sport event with less than a weeks notice.

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I find it amusing that there is more interest from big Commonwealth cities in taking on a fairly difficult task to host this event than there is for the fairly easy task of organising the same event in 7 years. In some ways I hope this interest re-energises interest in the Games and we might see "spill over" interest for 2026. 

Right now I feel like London or Kuala Lumpur would be the best options of those that have expressed interest. KL has all that amazing Olympic-scale infrastructure from 1998 just sitting there, plus 12 years since last in Asia so not bad in terms of rotation. 

While I understand there is interest in northern England, I think London is the only city with the hard infrastructure to make it happen in a short amount of time. Also its like London has hogged the event from the rest of the UK - its has not hosted since 1934 and Cardiff, Edinburgh, Manchester and Glasgow have all hosted since then. In some ways its actually London's turn. It should also be mentioned that this would possibly be the last CWG of QE2's reign, or perhaps the first of the next monarch (being realistic about her age). 

Out of interest, can anyone speculate on what a London 2022 venue list might look like? Would London need to find a new athletics facility seeing as the 2012 one is now a football stadium?

 

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The London stadium is still an athletics stadium. The new lower tier seating bringing the crowd closer for football is just fancy scaffolding and will be removed each summer when the stadium hosts athletics. The stadium is actually hosting the World Athletics Championships this summer.

It's quite similar to your Etihad Stadium in Melbourne when it's in soccer configuration:

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Yes, it could be. But politically it'd be treading on other city's toes and would come across as London throwing its weight around. Supporters of Liverpool's bid are already aggrieved at the news Manchester has been in talks with government. Unless Sadiq Khan or the CGF really push for London I don't think we'll hear anything unless or until the other options fizzle out. Even then, Birmingham and Liverpool still harbour hopes for 2026 so London 2022 might annoy.

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I think it's a fair sort of unspoken deal in UK multi-sport events that when the Olympics come here it's only London that can do it, & that most of the major single-sport world events come to London, & in exchange, the more manageable Commies are free for other cities to take, with London generally staying out. 

On a totally different note, why hasn't there been a peep from Singapore - either for 22 or any other Commonwealths? They seem like such an obvious place to hold them, & they probably have the facilities to handle 22 & still get a new host city out of it. 

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10 hours ago, Rob. said:

The London stadium is still an athletics stadium. The new lower tier seating bringing the crowd closer for football is just fancy scaffolding and will be removed each summer when the stadium hosts athletics. The stadium is actually hosting the World Athletics Championships this summer.

It's quite similar to your Etihad Stadium in Melbourne when it's in soccer configuration:

CpCXz_MXYAA9r14.jpg

Did they give up on that retractable roller system?

Anyways, a three way split with Liverpool, London, and Birmingham doing a joint hosting. More for sharing facilities...something we need to realize since the CWGs are costly for the event they are.

Gold Coast could be the last time we see a singular city host the event.

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Depends what the government thinks and how much they want to spend on any city hosting I guess. I don't know the answer to that.

RE: the seating, they couldn't get it to work and the company contracted went bust. A new contractor has apparently been hired this month to look at a solution which allows the seats to be moved quicker. A never ending saga. :ph34r:

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18 hours ago, yoshi said:

On a totally different note, why hasn't there been a peep from Singapore - either for 22 or any other Commonwealths? They seem like such an obvious place to hold them, & they probably have the facilities to handle 22 & still get a new host city out of it. 

They are probably not saying anything publicly until KL show their hand.  There is some sentiment in SEA that Singapore punches above it's weight and is not that integrated with it's neighbours - so it is diplomatically more astute to sit back and just speak to whoever they need to in private at this point.

Or Singapore just plain don't want these Games.  They may not want them as they will have the whiff of "second hand" Games perhaps?

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1 hour ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

They are probably not saying anything publicly until KL show their hand.  There is some sentiment in SEA that Singapore punches above it's weight and is not that integrated with it's neighbours - so it is diplomatically more astute to sit back and just speak to whoever they need to in private at this point.

Or Singapore just plain don't want these Games.  They may not want them as they will have the whiff of "second hand" Games perhaps?

Bloody good point...But since KL has been there and done that - and probably doomed the games with it's massive upsizing - don't really care?

I'm going with your final sentence...Singaporians probably feel what you said - But in saying that, would they have time to prepare to the gold mark high standards we would totally expect from them? "Singapore" means superior in that part of the world...and what the general perception of Singapore is everywhere else.

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On 16/03/2017 at 9:43 AM, Rob. said:

Yes, it could be. But politically it'd be treading on other city's toes and would come across as London throwing its weight around. Supporters of Liverpool's bid are already aggrieved at the news Manchester has been in talks with government. Unless Sadiq Khan or the CGF really push for London I don't think we'll hear anything unless or until the other options fizzle out. Even then, Birmingham and Liverpool still harbour hopes for 2026 so London 2022 might annoy.

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Joe Anderson will challenge any bid to "gift" Commonwealth Games to Manchester or London

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson has told the government he will challenge any attempt to “gift” the 2022 Commonwealth Games to Manchester or London.

Mayor Anderson wants to bring the games to the city in five years - after scheduled hosts Durban were stripped of hosting duties because of finance issues.

Birmingham has also offered to step into the breach - but in the past week both Manchester and London have emerged as rivals and the Mayor is concerned that the games could be handed to another city without a proper process.

In a strongly worded letter to sports minister Tracey Crouch, Mayor Anderson said it had “become evident that the Government and/or the Commonwealth Games Federation have spoken directly to other cities including both London and Manchester with a view to offering these cities the opportunity to become the alternative host city in 2022.”

He said he hoped that any contact with Manchester or London was purely as a “sounding board” and that any decision for the UK to become the alternative host city will be undertaken via a “robust, open and transparent competitive process.”

He adds: “However the people of Liverpool and my city region colleagues would be deeply disappointed should it become evident that Government has indeed opted to gift the 2022 games directly to another city and if this is the case, I am giving you advanced notice that Liverpool will challenge any attempt to gift the 2022 games to anyone else without a proper bidding and procurement process within a realistic time frame.”

Responding to Mayor Anderson’s letter, a spokesman for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said: “We look forward to the Commonwealth Games Federation’s plans for finding an alternative host. “We are aware that there are UK cities that have shown an interest in hosting the Games in the future.

“The CGF has only just announced that the Games in 2022 will not be in South Africa and we are not going to comment on speculation on what happens next at this stage.”

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/joe-anderson-challenge-any-bid-12752060

Does the CGF have time for a proper bid process at this stage though?

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Jeez Rob, I would think not... 

If we are going to a Northern Hemisphere games, really only four and a half years to the "we are ready" inspection. Bureaucracy always slams these big multi-events hard so there goes at least another year of arsing around...

If Liverpool is posturing and chest beating, at least they are determined...because outside of the big three England cities, or the world, no one else is.

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I think the Comm Games are better in smaller cities- Liverpool, Birmingham, Manchester, Perth, Brisbane, Edmonton,  etc  rather than huge global cities like London, Sydney, Delhi etc..

I went to the Melbourne Games, and there was zero atmosphere (despite Melbourne doing an amazing job). Melbourne hosts big events all the time, and the Games just got swamped in a huge metropolis. Smaller cities embrace and celebrate and get swamped by the Games...

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