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Very interesting that IOC President Thomas has confirmed in this ATR report below that there will be a limited number of spectators at Beijing 2022.

 

Source: Thomas Bach praises the Winter Games as “a very safe environment”:  “The nervousness is more back home and the roads to Beijing” - 27Jan2022 - Around The Rings

by ATR Journalist:  Sebastian A. FestEd Hula

Bach:   “We are coming from Tokyo and there were no spectators at all. Here we will have spectators and we will have spectators also from the international community living here in China, this was confirmed just this morning in our daily coordination meeting.

Hula (ATR):  People from companies, government agencies...?

Bach:   “Expats from foreign companies living here, sponsors, personnel of diplomatic missions, Chinese people... There will be spectators.”

 

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On 1/26/2022 at 8:51 AM, Sir Rols said:

Could you imagine if this site existed in 1936?

”Ooooh! Goebbels and Speer have been appointed ceremony producers :wub: I’m so excited, I can’t wait!!!! Those National Socialists put on such great spectaculars! I wonder what wonder technology they’re going to surprise us with??? :D 

Don’t know about this torch relay idea, though??? Things happening outside the stadium are usually pretty underwhelming :(

Only a week to go! About time we got a good ceremony!“

I'm looking forward to it but confused about where the cauldron is? Amsterdam and LA had their huge towers - but I don't understand why the Germans are going to all the effort of running this silly flame from Greece with nowhere obvious to put it?

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Is that ice behind him?

This still image lifted from a Beijing media report on the final rehearsal has raised speculation that there may be a ice skating area/s in the Birds Nest, but just not in the centre ground screen area.

Are these circled areas immediately behind this reporter just melting snow causing puddles of water (?) at the end of the oblong ? Or these end areas actually an ice skating area?

Notice the centre square ground screen area way further behind these areas appears to be dry which is what you would expect on a ground screen.

I don’t know but closer to the reporter it did does look suspiciously like a bit of surface water that can form when an ice surface is being groomed. 

The google earth image from months ago shows this same area from an overhead view.

I’m probably overreacting,  ….. but not long to wait to find out for sure. 

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17 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Interesting…one of Germany‘s prime investigative sports journalists (Jens Weinreich) who has been to basically all Olympics in the last three decades is also not going for much of the same reasons.

Apparently tonight there was also a scathing report on prime time main channel ARD about the IOC and Beijing, followed by a talkshow in the same spirit. I missed it, though given that ARD is also always dedicating hundreds of hours to Olympic coverage, this is quite big, especially being shown during prime time. If I understood well, Bach was asked for an interview in this report but declined. In case you‘re still wondering why there‘s not much public support for German bids…the public here just doesn‘t want to deal with him & his gang anymore.

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I don't feel like posting a link but ABC/ESPN have said they haven't sent anyone to China. I know the majority of CBC's personal and going to be covering the Games from Toronto. So lots of people are staying away.

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I know many people were not thrilled when no spectators were allowed at Tokyo 2020ne. But at least the full media was there. They make up a lot of the "atmosphere" of the Games, too. So with so many of them skipping Beijing 2022 (not to mention the diplomatic boycott that many countries are doing), or covering it remotely, those venue hallways & media center will most likely seem quite bare then. 

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On 1/28/2022 at 11:17 AM, AustralianFan said:

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Very interesting that IOC President Thomas has confirmed in this ATR report below that there will be a limited number of spectators at Beijing 2022.

 

Source: Thomas Bach praises the Winter Games as “a very safe environment”:  “The nervousness is more back home and the roads to Beijing” - 27Jan2022 - Around The Rings

by ATR Journalist:  Sebastian A. FestEd Hula

Bach:   “We are coming from Tokyo and there were no spectators at all. Here we will have spectators and we will have spectators also from the international community living here in China, this was confirmed just this morning in our daily coordination meeting.

Hula (ATR):  People from companies, government agencies...?

Bach:   “Expats from foreign companies living here, sponsors, personnel of diplomatic missions, Chinese people... There will be spectators.”

 

He really should resign. This is a joke. Most of the so-called spectators are likely going to be guests of the CCP. Sure you might have a few diplomats, but for Bach to say Beijing will have spectators making it sound like members of the international community are going to be welcomed with open arms is absolutely false.

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3 hours ago, stryker said:

He really should resign. This is a joke. Most of the so-called spectators are likely going to be guests of the CCP. Sure you might have a few diplomats, but for Bach to say Beijing will have spectators making it sound like members of the international community are going to be welcomed with open arms is absolutely false.

I can't stand him. He and Coates are parading as saviours but are the ones that have run the Olympic movement into the ground. Unreal - any other organisation would sack those at the time, not renew their contracts. Unbelievable. 

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21 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

More on spectators at Beijing 2022 ….

 

So up to 30% of spectators in stands, but no tickets on public sale, 3 days before the event, who are they hoping to attend the games, casper the friendly ghost?

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3 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

So up to 30% of spectators in stands, but no tickets on public sale, 3 days before the event, who are they hoping to attend the games, casper the friendly ghost?

Nobody who is invited to these games will (be able to) say no. It's a matter of national importance for the CCP. A significant amount of "spectators" will probably be state employees and their families anyway.

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11 minutes ago, munichfan said:

Nobody who is invited to these games will (be able to) say no. It's a matter of national importance for the CCP. A significant amount of "spectators" will probably be state employees and their families anyway.

As a fellow native speaker, you might have thought about this, too:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubelperser

Rough translation: defamatory term for group of people paid to cheer on someone (who would get no cheers otherwise), first used in Germany by Iranian secret service during Shah visit in 1967, thus „cheering Persians“.

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3 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

As a fellow native speaker, you might have thought about this, too:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubelperser

Rough translation: defamatory term for group of people paid to cheer on someone (who would get no cheers otherwise), first used in Germany by Iranian secret service during Shah visit in 1967, thus „cheering Persians“.

Thank you, I've honestly never come across that term before. My initial thoughts were East Germany's claqueurs in Munich 1972 and Kim's "Army of Beauty" in PyeongChang.

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So I've been checking the beijing2022 website on and off this week because usually a week out they throw the switch and light up the big fancy site that redirects to Olympics.com and has all the athlete profiles, schedules, medal counts and stuff.

And it just hasn't changed at all, then I just noticed today they've added a medals and "media extranet" links on the top of their crappy organizing committee site, and I think this is it. And I don't know what to say it's pretty disappointing to see in an age when web developers are everywhere that this is what they going with. If this is a foretaste for this event I'm going to say get ready for something pretty garbagey. Although maybe they're just waiting for the opening ceremony (that would be atypical,) or maybe they spent all their time and resources on that spyware app they're making all the athletes download, either way this crappy site https://www.beijing2022.cn/en/ makes even the old ones like Salt Lake 2002 or Athens 2004 websites look like works of brilliance in comparison.

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1 hour ago, GoNutz said:

So I've been checking the beijing2022 website on and off this week because usually a week out they throw the switch and light up the big fancy site that redirects to Olympics.com and has all the athlete profiles, schedules, medal counts and stuff.

And it just hasn't changed at all, then I just noticed today they've added a medals and "media extranet" links on the top of their crappy organizing committee site, and I think this is it. And I don't know what to say it's pretty disappointing to see in an age when web developers are everywhere that this is what they going with. If this is a foretaste for this event I'm going to say get ready for something pretty garbagey. Although maybe they're just waiting for the opening ceremony (that would be atypical,) or maybe they spent all their time and resources on that spyware app they're making all the athletes download, either way this crappy site https://www.beijing2022.cn/en/ makes even the old ones like Salt Lake 2002 or Athens 2004 websites look like works of brilliance in comparison.

That seems to force the IOC to make the site themselves, actually; https://olympics.com/en/beijing-2022/

There is everything you would expect, although in a bit weaker way than would be if the local committee did it.

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8 hours ago, Guilga said:

That seems to force the IOC to make the site themselves, actually; https://olympics.com/en/beijing-2022/

There is everything you would expect, although in a bit weaker way than would be if the local committee did it.

That's not a terrible experience on the schedule and results section but a real letdown compared to any recent games. I remember even the same host in 2008 had a good website.

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3 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

As part of the New Norm, the IOC (through Olympic Channel) is delivering the Games-time website for every edition of the Games. First time was in Tokyo.

Makes sense and saves the Host City from this cost.

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Tibetans, Uyghur compete on China’s Olympics team, drawing praise and criticism

Two ethnic Tibetans and a Uyghur are competing this year on China’s national Olympics team in Beijing, prompting feelings of both pride and concern from activists fighting against human rights abuses in the athletes’ home regions.

Tibetans Yangchen Lhamo, a woman, and Tsering Damdul, a man, will be competing in snowboarding and cross-country skiing respectively at the Games, according to reports in Chinese state media.

“I am proud and very happy for the two Tibetans who are competing in these Games,” said Chemi Lhamo, a Tibetan-Canadian activist who was arrested in October for disrupting the Winter Olympics’ torch lighting ceremony in Olympia, Greece.

 “But it is important for them to know the reality of what is happening inside Tibet, and Tibetans both living in Tibet and in exile must support each other,” Lhamo said.

 Golok Jigme, a former Tibetan political prisoner now living in exile in Switzerland, said he had nothing against the Tibetans participating in the Beijing Winter Olympic Games.

“However, it is clear that Tibetans inside Tibet have no freedom and are forced to conform to the wishes of the Chinese government,” he said.

The Beijing Winter Games have already drawn a series of protests and calls for boycott from the international community because of China’s treatment of Tibetans and other minority groups, Jigme said.

“And so this is just a political performance for the Chinese government to show the world,” he said.

Dhondup Wangchen, a Tibetan who served six years in prison for making a documentary film depicting the hardships of Tibetans’ lives under Chinese rule, said that by placing Tibetans on China’s team, Chinese president Xi Jinping may be trying to show the team represents all groups living in China.

“But we don’t know what kind of force may have been used on these individuals,” Wangchen said.

Formerly an independent country, Tibet was invaded and incorporated into China by force 70 years ago, and Tibetans living in Tibet frequently complain of discrimination and human rights abuses by Chinese authorities and policies they say are aimed at eradicating their national and cultural identity.

'Facade of false equality'

Also present on China’s team this year, Uyghur cross-country skier Dilnigar Ilhamjan, 20, comes from northwestern China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, where China has forced over a million ethnic Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims into reeducation and labor camps in a campaign described as genocide by rights groups and many foreign governments.

Dilnigar was selected to join the China National Cross Country Training Team in 2017, and was sent to Norway the following year for a three-year period of advanced training under foreign coaches with other highly skilled international skiers, Chinese media sources say.

However, Rushan Abbas — executive director of the Washington D.C.-based Campaign for Uyghurs — called Dilnigar’s addition to the Chinese team “yet another attempt to create a façade of false equality by the Chinese Communist Party.”

“This is nothing more than another game to district the world from the reality that the Uyghur genocide is ongoing and that the CCP is responsible for it,” Abbas said.

More than 200 nongovernmental organizations from around the world called on Thursday for governments to join a diplomatic boycott of the Winter Games, now set to begin on Feb. 4, saying host country China is responsible for “atrocity crimes and other grave human rights violations.”

“That the Winter Olympics is held in Beijing sends a signal to the world that Xi Jinping’s government is normal,” said Renee Xia, director of the rights group Chinese Human Rights Defenders, one of 243 groups including Human Rights Watch and the Germany-based World Uyghur Congress who joined in the call.

“When the world rationalizes away such an abusive situation, it makes it harder for victims to stand up against injustice,” Xia said.

Date:2022/1/28

News source:Radio Free Asia

Link:https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/team-01282022180404.html

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17 hours ago, GoNutz said:

So I've been checking the beijing2022 website on and off this week because usually a week out they throw the switch and light up the big fancy site that redirects to Olympics.com and has all the athlete profiles, schedules, medal counts and stuff.

And it just hasn't changed at all, then I just noticed today they've added a medals and "media extranet" links on the top of their crappy organizing committee site, and I think this is it. And I don't know what to say it's pretty disappointing to see in an age when web developers are everywhere that this is what they going with. If this is a foretaste for this event I'm going to say get ready for something pretty garbagey. Although maybe they're just waiting for the opening ceremony (that would be atypical,) or maybe they spent all their time and resources on that spyware app they're making all the athletes download, either way this crappy site https://www.beijing2022.cn/en/ makes even the old ones like Salt Lake 2002 or Athens 2004 websites look like works of brilliance in comparison.

I like the bit where there are 11 torch bearers - 10 male and one female. :huh:

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