Sir Rols Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 So the tyrant, the bearded one, is dead. So weird - he's led Cuba during the length of my entire life (well, until hermano Raoul took over recently). Such a significant figure - the last of the Cold War giants. Almost sad - but one can't deny he was a ruthless son of a bitch and it's not like he should be mourned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Adidas lost one of their most loyal clients. Socialismo o la muerte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 8 hours ago, Sir Rols said: So the tyrant, the bearded one, is dead. So weird - he's led Cuba during the length of my entire life (well, until hermano Raoul took over recently). Such a significant figure - the last of the Cold War giants. Almost sad - but one can't deny he was a ruthless son of a bitch and it's not like he should be mourned. Sergeant Colonel Batista, the man Fidel replaced, wasn't exactly a pussyc; also Castro was way ahead of his time in confronting amoral multinational companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 20 minutes ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: Sergeant Colonel Batista, the man Fidel replaced, wasn't exactly a pussyc; also Castro was way ahead of his time in confronting amoral multinational companies. Still, a totalitarian approach to fight for an initially good cause is nothing to be proud of really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 hour ago, StefanMUC said: Still, a totalitarian approach to fight for an initially good cause is nothing to be proud of really. I agree. Let's not cry for Castro. I'm sure Evita isn't!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMarkSnow2012 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 2 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Still, a totalitarian approach to fight for an initially good cause is nothing to be proud of really. I suspect historians in the 22nd century, looking back at the great war between states and companies which began in 2017 with the collapse of TPP and TTIP, might think otherwise. China has followed some aspects of the Cuban model, and Cuba in turn has followed some aspects of the Chinese model (though it's unlikely that Cuba will be able to follow the Chinese model much further unless it becomes a direct client state of China). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 4 hours ago, JMarkSnow2012 said: Sergeant Colonel Batista, the man Fidel replaced, wasn't exactly a pussyc; also Castro was way ahead of his time in confronting amoral multinational companies. Oh, he left his mark alright. Yes, not all his legacy has been negative. And he didi mellow over time (I was impressed when he admitted his mistake in his persecution of gays). But did he leave Cuba better off? Did his ends justify his means? Did his, truly, well-intentioned acts outweigh his reckless and downright immoral ones? That's all a very mixed verdict. I'm very conflicted myself, but in the end figured I couldn't in clear conscious laud him as a great man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I'm surprised he lasted this long -- what with all the cigar-smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 He gave up his famous cigars over three decades ago, somewhere around 1984-85. He said as much in a Brazilian TV interview at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikarus360 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 No one will miss him. Needless to say, in my country he was widely hated as well for being the mentor of our own version of him who ruined us in every way possible and is still doing it from the grave (and not happy with that he infected the rest of south america with that shitty idelogy of theirs...is just like werewolves). I feel sorry for non-cubans leaving in Miami this weekend for they won't be able to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinXTC Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 The most amusing thing to come out of his death is the blowback from one of Marco Rubio's tweet about Fidel's policies on the LGBT community. People were quick to point out his own anti-LGBT policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Castro, not an angel, nor a demon. People should stop putting him in extremes, he was down in the middle due to the circumstances surrounding Cuba since the 50's. Without condemning, nor condoning, I understand why he did what he did for Cuba. RIP Fidel Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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