Auckland 2040 Olympic bid

[AustralianFan]

6 hours ago, Alexjc said:

Hypothetical thoughts...

Brisbane 2032 smash and grab has really thrown some ideas out there for 2040 hosting...It was predicted that an Australian city would be the successful bidder for '40 and Brisbane was in the mix as most likely Australian candidate.

All changed now. This could see a potential study taken into hosting Summer in NZ, even though it would be eight years since Brisbane hosted.

The IOC isn't spoilt for choices anymore. Bidding now needs a 10 year lead in time and before that at least six in distance planning and rounds of negotiations.

I remember Sydney 2000 and the long battle to bid for them that began way back in 1989 when Melbourne's '96 bid was falling behind Atlanta and Athens. It went down to the wire with Beijing and horrific events in 1989 turned 2000 to Sydney.

Yet Brisbane 2032 were handed the games as there was no one else suitable to host...Times have changed.

 

What nonsense.      Smash and grab by Brisbane 2032?   What cereal box of conspiracy theories did you pull that one from?   Sorry mate, no offence, but you couldn’t be further from the truth if you tried, seriously. 

Brisbane was the first Host in Olympic History to be voted in as a Host City under the radically New Norm host selection process.

Brisbane’s bid preparations and due diligence was 7 years in the making and began in 2015 with the South East Queensland Mayors doing a feasibility study and mass people movement study of SEQ ahead of a bid for the 2024 Olympics

When Paris and Los Angeles entered the bid race and the 2024/2028 double awarding evolved, Brisbane switched it’s interest to 2032.

So in 2018 when, as part of Agenda 2020, the IOC announced to the world and turned the whole bidding process on it’s head with the biggest and most radical changes in Host City selection procedures in the history of the Olympic Movement called The New Norm - it’s a game changer - IOC - 6 Feb2018.  << click to read about the new bidding process.

Brisbane simply pivoted and shot out of the blocks very quickly leaving their 2032 rivals in the dust in this brand new process when a host can be elevated to preferred bidder in the Targeted Dialogue phase at any time.

Apart a from 6 month pause on their bid in 2020 due to Covid, Brisbane sprinted all the way to elevation as sole preferred bidding ciry again leaving their rivals in the dust, to the Final Host Vote by all IOC Members.

Brisbane had several rivals for 2032 who were simply not ready because they were not ready and were basically asleep while Brisbane was sprinting.

This was the first time for this new selection process and one was much quicker than the others.

Brisbane’s 2032 rivals (or interested parties) which left in their dust for the 2032 Games were:

• Ahmedabad, India
• Doha, Qatar
• Jakarta, Indonesia
• Madrid, Spain
• Rhine-Rhur, Germany

Several others publicly expressed interest in the 2032 Gamea but did nothing about it. 

The  Bidding process for Sydney 2000 and Brisbane 2032 are two very very different bidding proceses and cannot be compared.

There is no set timeline, as much as you want to beleive there is.

When the IOC has dicussions with ineterested parties, called Continuous Dialogue, a preferred candidate can be elevated as preferred bidder at any time and put up for election with the Executive Board’s approval.

In Brisbane’s case, this happened 11 years before the Games.

For the 2030 Winter Games Host, a suitable applicant may emerge any time in the next few weeks, months or years. Although most are expecting some time in the next 6-12 months

 Finally, as a neighbour of New Zealand’s there’s nothing more I would like to see than you guys have a chance to host an Olympic Games so best wishes and hope that you do ….. but read the rules first.

5 hours ago, munichfan said:

Brisbane were handed the 2032 games at a time when interest in several cities and regions around the globe began to soar. They had great timing and great political support (both in Australia and within the IOC). The latter one sealed the deal.

As charming as the thought of a New Zealand Olympics would be, I just do not see an appetite for NZ so shortly after Brisbane. And, honestly, I do not see NZ as much of an attractive option, even if the Brisbane games were not a thing.

I think that NZ would be very capable of hosting an Olympic Games.. 

4 hours ago, ulu said:

I think it only seems that way because they were awarded so early. 

Agreed.  and Brisbane were awarded so early because they were so ready so early.   

[munichfan]

8 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

I think that NZ would be very capable of hosting an Olympic Games..

Capability isn't everything. What exactly does NZ offer to the Olympic movement? It's a small, quite isolated market. There would be legacy issues for many many venues. Weather in the July-August is not exactly the most suitable. And it does not boast the huge sports tradition and hosting experience across the board that Australia does. So why even bother, if, say, Korea enters the discussion?

[AustralianFan]

26 minutes ago, munichfan said:

Capability isn't everything. What exactly does NZ offer to the Olympic movement? It's a small, quite isolated market. There would be legacy issues for many many venues. Weather in the July-August is not exactly the most suitable. And it does not boast the huge sports tradition and hosting experience across the board that Australia does. So why even bother, if, say, Korea enters the discussion?

New Zealand has a very long, very big and very proud sporting history and tradition.

101 years ago it first sent a team to compete in competing in the 1920 Olympic Games and has proudly competed at every Games since.  It’s largest team of athletes competing at the Olympic Games was at Tokyo 2020 when it sent 213 athketes.

Since 1920, New Zealand has won a total of 53 Gold Medals, 33 Silver and 51 bronze, totalling 137 medals.

It is not isolated, it is in the Southern Hemisphere and has numerous Oceania neighbours.  It’s position in relation to the northern hemisphere is not a criteria for hosting an Olympic Games.

But weather is.   You’re correct in that what would count against a Summer Olympics candidature in New Zealand is the IOC’s rule that the Summer Games can occur in July / August.

The weather in Auckland is cold and wet in July and August with maximum temperatures at 13 to 14 degrees celsius and minimums being around 10 degrees.  Rainfall ranges from 60 to 67 mm in July and August. 

It has stadiums and sporting venues capable of hosting the Games, including Mout Smart Stadium in Auckland with temporary grandstands and which hosted the Commonwealth Games in 1990.

 

[FYI]

Yeah, 57 degrees F for a daytime high, especially if it's a gray & damp one, is definitely too chilly for a  "Summer" Olympics. That's the main thing that would keep a NZ bid at bay before anything else can be taken into account. As long as the IOC's current & strict timetable is in place, of the Summer Games being held between July 15th-Aug. 31st (as long as it suits them of course), any bid proposing dates outside of that time frame is simply SOL.

[stryker]

7 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

New Zealand has a very long, very big and very proud sporting history and tradition.

101 years ago it first sent a team to compete in competing in the 1920 Olympic Games and has proudly competed at every Games since.  It’s largest team of athletes competing at the Olympic Games was at Tokyo 2020 when it sent 213 athketes.

Since 1920, New Zealand has won a total of 53 Gold Medals, 33 Silver and 51 bronze, totalling 137 medals.

It is not isolated, it is in the Southern Hemisphere and has numerous Oceania neighbours.  It’s position in relation to the northern hemisphere is not a criteria for hosting an Olympic Games.

But weather is.   You’re correct in that what would count against a Summer Olympics candidature in New Zealand is the IOC’s rule that the Summer Games can occur in July / August.

The weather in Auckland is cold and wet in July and August with maximum temperatures at 13 to 14 degrees celsius and minimums being around 10 degrees.  Rainfall ranges from 60 to 67 mm in July and August. 

It has stadiums and sporting venues capable of hosting the Games, including Mout Smart Stadium in Auckland with temporary grandstands and which hosted the Commonwealth Games in 1990.

 

New Zealand is not capable of hosting the Olympics with any one city. The Olympics are too big and too expensive for any New Zealand city to pull off on their own. New Zealand can't find the money for a CWGs bid or even enough to build a proper capacity stadium in Christchurch. The only way New Zealand could have a remote chance would be for a bid to be a country-wide bid with events scattered in the likes of Auckland, Christchurch, Dunedin, and Wellington.

New Zealand would be far better off giving a future scaled down CWGs a shot.

 

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, stryker said:

New Zealand is not capable of hosting the Olympics with any one city. The Olympics are too big and too expensive for any New Zealand city to pull off on their own. New Zealand can't find the money for a CWGs bid or even enough to build a proper capacity stadium in Christchurch. The only way New Zealand could have a remote chance would be for a bid to be a country-wide bid with events scattered in the likes of Auckland, Christchurch, Dunedin, and Wellington.

New Zealand would be far better off giving a future scaled down CWGs a shot.

 

It does need to be held in one city.  Yes, the Olympic Games can be held across different cities and regions.

Agree that a Commonwealth Games hosting would boost their chances.

[Australian Kiwi]

22 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

The  Bidding process for Sydney 2000 and Brisbane 2032 are two very very different bidding proceses and cannot be compared.

 

Exactly. There is no way Brisbane would have succeeded in any recent traditional bid process - let alone Sydney's astonishing victory over Beijing. Its lucky for Brisbane that Melbourne has terrible weather in July/August. 

Oh, and John Coates

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Exactly. There is no way Brisbane would have succeeded in any recent traditional bid process - let alone Sydney's astonishing victory over Beijing. Its lucky for Brisbane that Melbourne has terrible weather in July/August. 

Totally irrelevant, totally. You’re stuck in the past.

 The Bidding system did radically change.  So goodbye broken old wastful bidding system.  

Hello Brisbane, the first Host to be elected under the new selection system after 6 years of advanced prepatory work.

 

 

[Australian Kiwi]

26 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Totally irrelevant, totally. You’re stuck in the past.

 The Bidding system did radically change.  So goodbye broken old wastful bidding system.  

Hello Brisbane, the first Host to be elected under the new selection system after 6 years of advanced prepatory work.

 

 

Elections are wasteful?

[AustralianFan]

2 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Elections are wasteful?

Yes the old broken bidding system was very very wasteful.

That’s exactly why the old broken system of bidding was radically changed.

Brisbane’s highly advanced candidature was then elected in a landslide by IOC Members in thr historical the first New Norm election in Olympic history on 21 July 2021.

 

 

[Australian Kiwi]

6 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes the old broken bidding system was very very wasteful.

That’s exactly why the old broken system of bidding was radically changed™.

Brisbane’s Highly Advanced Candidature™ was then elected in a landslide by IOC Members in thr historical the first New Norm™ election in Olympic history™ on 21 July 2021.

 

 

Added some trademarks for your buzz phrases. 

[AustralianFan]

10 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Added some trademarks for your buzz phrases.   

Yes the old broken bidding system was very, very wasteful.

That’s exactly why the old broken system of bidding was radically changed.

Brisbane’s highly advanced candidature was then elected in a landslide as 2032 Host by IOC Members in that historical first New Norm election in Olympic history on 21 July 2021.

[FYI]

[stryker]

19 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

It does need to be held in one city.  Yes, the Olympic Games can be held across different cities and regions.

Agree that a Commonwealth Games hosting would boost their chances.

It would be a logistical challenge to have an Olympics in New Zealand on both islands. Also, Mt. Smart Stadium had its athletics track removed. There is an adjacent athletics track next to the stadium but there is no room for any temporary grandstands. No athletics stadium even further buries any idea of an Olympics. And until we know what the CWF has in mind for a new CWG post Birmingham when it seems like the only places interested in this event are the UK and Australia, I'd go as far as to say New Zealand is a nonstarter there. Bottom line, New Zealand cannot host the Olympics. They don't have the facilities or the cash to do it.

[Australian Kiwi]

48 minutes ago, stryker said:

Bottom line, New Zealand cannot host the Olympics. They don't have the facilities or the cash to do it.

Not true - they're one of the wealthiest countries in the OECD. They could do it however there is a lack of political will. Similarly I feel they've gone the way of Canada and generally tapped out of the CWG. They still watch it but I don't think there is a strong desire or it to go back to NZ. The focus right now is to build a solid Trans Tasman bid with Australia for the 2034 FIFA World Cup. 

[stryker]

2 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Not true - they're one of the wealthiest countries in the OECD. They could do it however there is a lack of political will. Similarly I feel they've gone the way of Canada and generally tapped out of the CWG. They still watch it but I don't think there is a strong desire or it to go back to NZ. The focus right now is to build a solid Trans Tasman bid with Australia for the 2034 FIFA World Cup. 

Let me rephrase that. They don't want to spend the money. Can't say I blame them either. Like I said previously, they won't spend on a proper stadium for Christchurch or even entertain the idea of a CWGs. The Olympics are way out of the question. A FIFA WC bid actually makes much more sense.

[Scotguy II]

Reports of an Auckland 2024 bid has again arisen here in NZ. The recent WRWC and upcoming FIFA World Cup has heightened calls by nz'ers for the city to submit a 2040 bid. 2040 will be 200 years since the founding document of the country was signed and Maori leaders in particular are wanting the bid to help promote Maoridom in the country.

A recent news report poll has 61% of Aucklanders supporting a bid saying that the city has everything needed to host the most successful games*

*response of those Aucklanders interviewed.

[Alexjc]

With the NZOC now seriously wanting to set up a New Zealand wide 2034 Commonwealth Games bid attempt,  "Auckland 2040" is all but a wishful dream.

Even if NZ was allowed a spread out event, and could afford it...Major hurdles need to be jumped. The biggest is cost of security and hosting.  

The reality is that Oceania would have hosted the 2032 games and NZ the CWGs two years after that.  Also a FIFA WC bid with Australia is planned for the '30s.

What could be on the cards is a late in the year 2039 Rugby World Cup hosting.

Other than that, nothing else in what is an Olympic year for NZ to celebrate 200 years of formal nationhood...Unless it hosts a sanctioned World Expo?