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Looks like the "cancel 2020 & give Tokyo 2032 instead" (had Japan even wanted that ITFP), maybe had some kind of merit. But then again, Tokyo 2020ne needed to happen anyway, to even been able to gauge that TBW. 

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It's just absolutely amazing, but I guess it's just par for the course when it comes to the Olympics, that when there's such negative lead-up prior to opening, come Games time though, those negatives seem to go by the wayside & people then just want to be part of the action. And if there's a definite mega, negative lead up to a Games, then these are it.

I really hope that the Organizers at least somewhat lax the restrictions for the closing. Perhaps 25% is too optimistic, but maybe 20%, 15% or even 10%, something. But please let these Games end with some kind of semblance of what an Olympic Games should be.

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1 hour ago, yoshi said:

Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

No shot.  They spent a crap ton of money, so the will won't be there to do it all again anytime soon knowing certain plans (i.e. the Olympic Village) will have to be drawn up from scratch.  They'll much sooner push Sapporo IMO than trying to have a "proper" Olympics with Tokyo to make up for this one

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1 hour ago, FYI said:

It's just absolutely amazing, but I guess it's just par for the course when it comes to the Olympics, that when there's such negative lead-up prior to opening, come Games time though, those negatives seem to go by the wayside & people then just want to be part of the action. And if there's a definite mega, negative lead up to a Games, then these are it.

I really hope that the Organizers at least somewhat lax the restrictions for the closing. Perhaps 25% is too optimistic, but maybe 20%, 15% or even 10%, something. But please let these Games end with some kind of semblance of what an Olympic Games should be.

I saw someone come up with an acronym on social media that it's all a bunch of FUD.. fear, uncertainty, doubt.

But yea, this happens every time.  It's easy to dwell on the negatives in the lead-up.  Then once the games start, for that brief 2 week period, we get all the good stuff and some of the issues seem somewhat trivial by comparison, particularly the ones that were over-hyped as being major issues (think Zika and the water quality with Rio)

We'll see what happens as the Games go on.  It's a lot of political games they're playing, so I don't know they'll reverse course and obviously a lot depends on COVID.  Numbers are still rising sharply, so as long as that's continuing, a good argument can be made it's not advisable (although again, they have fans at NPB games, so that's still a thing)

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2 hours ago, FYI said:

^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

  • Many people in Japan are interesting in seeing their athletes compete and the Olympics they are hosting.
  • Most people in Japan are very unhappy about losing $20 billion on the Olympics and wish they could somehow both avoid losing the money and having to host (a thus far small number of) people who are bringing Covid along with them.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

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That tweet you posted, Quaker, was from someone involved with the IOC. I’d like to see some actual raw data about this, if you take that at face value then I have oceanside property to sell you in Colorado.

it’s like the Toronto Argonauts, they say they have wonderful ratings but I don’t know a single person who is a fan of them or wears any of their gear, and they’ve always had “socially distanced” crowds anyways.

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Im wondering about a diplomatic ploy might be at play here.  Maybe Im reading it wrong (and would be happy as hell if I am because I think a Sapporo Winter Olympics would be absolutely fantastic), but maybe there could be a gentlemen's agreement that if Tokyo grins and bears it, Sapporo 2030 is theirs if they want it, expedited, no strings attached.  If I was the IOC, thats exactly how I would play it.  

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2 hours ago, yoshi said:

Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

Take Sapporo to the bank and cash it in if thats an option.  

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That'd be a very good deal for all involved - offer a more favourable financial arrangement to help seal the support if need be. If it's a plausible option and a soon-ish summer games in Tokyo isn't, then it's time to use that new bidding process and get it done. Even saves the Americans their Salt Lake City/LA problem. 

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2 minutes ago, yoshi said:

That'd be a very good deal for all involved - offer a more favourable financial arrangement to help seal the support if need be. If it's a plausible option and a soon-ish summer games in Tokyo isn't, then it's time to use that new bidding process and get it done. Even saves the Americans their Salt Lake City/LA problem. 

Yup.  The SMART thing to do is just to literally hand it to Sapporo right now if all goes off nicely.  No bidding, no sensationalist crap, none of the usual logistical crap,  no nothing.  Just.  Lock. It. In.  Just give it to them immediately so no "NOlympic" movement even gets started.  

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38 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Im wondering about a diplomatic ploy might be at play here.  Maybe Im reading it wrong (and would be happy as hell if I am because I think a Sapporo Winter Olympics would be absolutely fantastic), but maybe there could be a gentlemen's agreement that if Tokyo grins and bears it, Sapporo 2030 is theirs if they want it, expedited, no strings attached.  If I was the IOC, thats exactly how I would play it.  

The problem is that the Japanese probably don't want the IOC, not that the IOC doesn't want Japan. Bach might have given them another winter games under the table before this ever started (just like they did for LA and Brisbane). 

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the japanese don't want the olympics i just saw beach volleyball and there wasn't a single person in the stands they couldn't sell even 1 ticket. how embarrassing. maybe a mass boycott. even athens sold 1 ticket. 

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39 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

Yup.  The SMART thing to do is just to literally hand it to Sapporo right now if all goes off nicely.  No bidding, no sensationalist crap, none of the usual logistical crap,  no nothing.  Just.  Lock. It. In.  Just give it to them immediately so no "NOlympic" movement even gets started.  

It’s too late unfortunately, the “NOlympic”  movement has been well underway for some months now

20 minutes ago, Nacre said:

The problem is that the Japanese probably don't want the IOC, not that the IOC doesn't want Japan. Bach might have given them another winter games under the table before this ever started (just like they did for LA and Brisbane). 

There is no avoiding it, the Olympic host selection process has changed permanently for both Summer and Winter Games.  

Brisbane was merely the first.

But the new selection process is not going away, it’s here to stay.

Chaired by IOC Member Octavian Morariu, the mission of the Future Host Commission of the Olympic Winter Games is to explore, create and oversee interest in future Olympic Winter Games and Winter Youth Olympic Games.

Kristin Kloster Aasen chairs the Future Host Commission for the Games of the Olympiad whose mission is to explore, create and oversee interest in future Summer Olympic Games and Summer Youth Olympic Games.

Candidates enter Continuous Dialogue for either future Winter or Summer Games.

That’s where Sapporo is right now - in Continuous Dialogue for future Winter Olympic Games.

As we know,  it’s looking highly doubftul if the Japanese Government would continue to back a 2030 Sapporo Winter Games.  For 2034? Who knows.

It’s quite probable that,given the anti-Olympics opinion polls in Japan right now, that Sapporo may decide to opt out of 2030 consideration but remain in Continuous Dialogue for 2034.

This scenario then makes Salt Lake City’s candidature looking much better if the sponsorship issue can be sorted out with LA 2028.

For 2030, other interested candidates are Pyranees-Barcelona and Vancouver or Quebec City.  

If I was the Canadian Olympic Committee, I wouldn’t delay in endorsing one of these because SLC’s chances are looking rosier.

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25 minutes ago, krow said:

the japanese don't want the olympics i just saw beach volleyball and there wasn't a single person in the stands they couldn't sell even 1 ticket. how embarrassing. maybe a mass boycott. even athens sold 1 ticket. 

No mass boycott.

All spectators are banned from all events at Tokyo 2020 because of the pandemic.

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Can you please stop spamming these threads with all of your confirmation bias BS whenever someone says anything about the real circumstances surrounding the Brisbane 2032 coronation, geez (this is the Tokyo 2020 news thread). :rolleyes: Even Annastasia P. knows exactly how it all went down. 

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2 minutes ago, FYI said:

Can you please stop spamming these threads with all of your confirmation bias BS whenever someone says anything about the real circumstances surrounding the Brisbane 2032 coronation, geez (this is the Tokyo 2020 news thread). :rolleyes: Even Annastasia P. knows exactly how it all went down. 

Read the discussion thread buddy, directly contributing to the previous two posts. 

Re-read it.

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4 minutes ago, FYI said:

Can you please stop spamming these threads with all of your confirmation bias BS whenever someone says anything about the real circumstances surrounding the Brisbane 2032 coronation, geez (this is the Tokyo 2020 news thread). :rolleyes: Even Annastasia P. knows exactly how it all went down. 

This discussion was about what’s happening with Tokyo 2020 right now and “handing Sapporo the 2030 Winter Games”.

But there’s no avoiding the new Olympic host selection process, including you.

The Olympic host selection process has changed permanently for both Summer and Winter Games.  

Candidates enter Continuous Dialogue for either future Winter or Summer Games.

It’s quite probable that,given the anti-Olympics opinion polls in Japan right now, that Sapporo may decide to opt out of 2030 consideration but remain in Continuous Dialogue for 2034.

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You’re posting about the Future Host Commission for the Games of the Olympiad like you always do when someone mentions Brisbane & it’s bid circumstances. You even started out by saying Brisbane, so thank you very much.

I knew the moment when someone else mentioned that Brisbane was given the Games ‘underneath the table’ that you’d be coming around spouting otherwise, ‘buddy’.

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Sorry folks, but the glitzy pictures and dramatic stories the Olympics are always producing might still draw audiences (especially when nightlife is non existing and not much else to do), but people can still at the same time ask the question whether it all, the costs, the health risks, etc, is really worth it. I heard a comment that Japanese people - now that the athletes are there despite all protesting - want to make it a good experience as they are the least to blame. But of course they are still angry at Bach, Suga, etc.

The IOC has no real answer or even interest to convince people of its product and the Japanese government just hopes and prays basically.

 

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4 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Sorry folks, but the glitzy pictures and dramatic stories the Olympics are always producing might still draw audiences (especially when nightlife is non existing and not much else to do), but people can still at the same time ask the question whether it all, the costs, the health risks, etc, is really worth it. I heard a comment that Japanese people - now that the athletes are there despite all protesting - want to make it a good experience as they are the least to blame. But of course they are still angry at Bach, Suga, etc.

The IOC has no real answer or even interest to convince people of its product and the Japanese government just hopes and prays basically.

 

Agree.     At times like this, both the Japanese organisers and the IOC will just want to now get through to the Paralympics Closing Ceremony in one piece.

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39 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

 

If I was the Canadian Olympic Committee, I wouldn’t delay in endorsing one of these because SLC’s chances are looking rosier.

Tell me why the COC should even entertain the idea, tell me as a Torontonian (I don’t technically live in Toronto proper but close enough) as to what benefit my tax money will receive by having the Winter Olympics in Calgary again. I used to think that having Olympics in Toronto would be an excuse to actually build real rapid transit lines but then I realize, why does it require an Olympics to cough up money for something we desperately need anyways?

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3 minutes ago, MisterSG1 said:

Tell me why the COC should even entertain the idea, tell me as a Torontonian (I don’t technically live in Toronto proper but close enough) as to what benefit my tax money will receive by having the Winter Olympics in Calgary again. I used to think that having Olympics in Toronto would be an excuse to actually build real rapid transit lines but then I realize, why does it require an Olympics to cough up money for something we desperately need anyways?

That is an issue for the Canadian Olympic Committee and the levels of Canadian Government.

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OOF, Triathalon just had the first big oopsiedaisy of the olympics.

A boat was square in the way when the notification to start was given.  It was obstructing half of the triathalon athletes, and many of the athletes already in the water had swam up to a quarter of a mile before being told to go back.  That.  Sucks.  

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