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1 hour ago, kevzz said:

Watched some of the beach volleyball, swimming and badminton. It is utterly sad that the venues are empty. Feels so wasted to build all these temporary seating only to not use them. Surely they can allow even just 10%/ 20% capacity with plenty of space between spectators just to give it down atmosphere?

I am not sure if the public used these venues right before the Olympics but I do hope so.

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Just now, Olympian2005 said:

Have been watching some swimming and there is a bit of a crowd which is cool :)

I think it’s the other teams and support squads. But, yes, it does help bring some atmosphere.

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15 hours ago, AmaniS said:

This is the question.  Baseball is played in front of crowds.  The  cycling road evnt drew crowds.  The idea that these games are not supported and the Japanese don't want to go to see these events is a myth.

They could easily sell tickets to half fill these events. 

Think of it like this, if we are to believe for example that 80% in the Tokyo area were opposed to the Olympics, that’s 20% who supported it. 20% in the Tokyo area is more than a mind boggling 15 million when you are speaking of the largest city in the world. (by metro area)

The bits I saw like for swimming, I noticed every spectator was wearing one of those access badges worn as lanyards which I recall seeing many of during the Toronto Pan Am Games. Obviously to get one, you need to be connected with the games somehow, as in athlete, coach, media, volunteer, anything. The access badge only guarantees access to the venues that are explicitly on the badge.

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6 hours ago, MisterSG1 said:

Think of it like this, if we are to believe for example that 80% in the Tokyo area were opposed to the Olympics, that’s 20% who supported it. 20% in the Tokyo area is more than a mind boggling 15 million when you are speaking of the largest city in the world. (by metro area)

The bits I saw like for swimming, I noticed every spectator was wearing one of those access badges worn as lanyards which I recall seeing many of during the Toronto Pan Am Games. Obviously to get one, you need to be connected with the games somehow, as in athlete, coach, media, volunteer, anything. The access badge only guarantees access to the venues that are explicitly on the badge.

 

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^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

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24 minutes ago, FYI said:

. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

We'll see how the Sapporoans?/sites?/nese? respond to the walk races and the marathons held in their city.  I bet the most ardent critics and most vocal supporters will put up a show for the TV cameras.  

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43 minutes ago, FYI said:

^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

I 100% get their opposition to the games and part of that animosity is also pointed towards the country's leadership which they're not too happy with now.  And who have been playing a lot of political games with these Olympics.  But here we are 2 days in and for all the folks loudly proclaiming "OMG COVID, it's a disaster, it'll be a super spreader for sure," the silence from them now is deafening.  Sure, we're had athletes and some events affected by COVID.  I don't want to jinx it but saying anything, but let's leave it at that.

More than anything, the level of satisfaction I'm going to get from the NOlympics crowd will be through the roof.  They can all STFU right now and shove their fearmongering where the sun don't shine.. even in the land of the rising sun!

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45 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

We'll see how the Sapporoans?/sites?/nese? respond to the walk races and the marathons held in their city.  I bet the most ardent critics and most vocal supporters will put up a show for the TV cameras.  

A ton of fans showed up for the finish to the cycling road races, so clearly they'll have people willing to show up in support.  And hopefully it will make for some nice visuals after 2 weeks of empty venues

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I hope the feeling is one of what might've been after these Games, not OMG Thank God that disaster is over. Another Tokyo Summer Games soon (say, 2040) might be a genuine possibility if Japan comes out of it pining for what might've been, and I wouldn't begrudge them that.

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Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

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11 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

A ton of fans showed up for the finish to the cycling road races, so clearly they'll have people willing to show up in support.  And hopefully it will make for some nice visuals after 2 weeks of empty venues

Very glad to hear it!

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Looks like the "cancel 2020 & give Tokyo 2032 instead" (had Japan even wanted that ITFP), maybe had some kind of merit. But then again, Tokyo 2020ne needed to happen anyway, to even been able to gauge that TBW. 

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It's just absolutely amazing, but I guess it's just par for the course when it comes to the Olympics, that when there's such negative lead-up prior to opening, come Games time though, those negatives seem to go by the wayside & people then just want to be part of the action. And if there's a definite mega, negative lead up to a Games, then these are it.

I really hope that the Organizers at least somewhat lax the restrictions for the closing. Perhaps 25% is too optimistic, but maybe 20%, 15% or even 10%, something. But please let these Games end with some kind of semblance of what an Olympic Games should be.

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1 hour ago, yoshi said:

Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

No shot.  They spent a crap ton of money, so the will won't be there to do it all again anytime soon knowing certain plans (i.e. the Olympic Village) will have to be drawn up from scratch.  They'll much sooner push Sapporo IMO than trying to have a "proper" Olympics with Tokyo to make up for this one

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1 hour ago, FYI said:

It's just absolutely amazing, but I guess it's just par for the course when it comes to the Olympics, that when there's such negative lead-up prior to opening, come Games time though, those negatives seem to go by the wayside & people then just want to be part of the action. And if there's a definite mega, negative lead up to a Games, then these are it.

I really hope that the Organizers at least somewhat lax the restrictions for the closing. Perhaps 25% is too optimistic, but maybe 20%, 15% or even 10%, something. But please let these Games end with some kind of semblance of what an Olympic Games should be.

I saw someone come up with an acronym on social media that it's all a bunch of FUD.. fear, uncertainty, doubt.

But yea, this happens every time.  It's easy to dwell on the negatives in the lead-up.  Then once the games start, for that brief 2 week period, we get all the good stuff and some of the issues seem somewhat trivial by comparison, particularly the ones that were over-hyped as being major issues (think Zika and the water quality with Rio)

We'll see what happens as the Games go on.  It's a lot of political games they're playing, so I don't know they'll reverse course and obviously a lot depends on COVID.  Numbers are still rising sharply, so as long as that's continuing, a good argument can be made it's not advisable (although again, they have fans at NPB games, so that's still a thing)

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2 hours ago, FYI said:

^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

  • Many people in Japan are interesting in seeing their athletes compete and the Olympics they are hosting.
  • Most people in Japan are very unhappy about losing $20 billion on the Olympics and wish they could somehow both avoid losing the money and having to host (a thus far small number of) people who are bringing Covid along with them.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

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That tweet you posted, Quaker, was from someone involved with the IOC. I’d like to see some actual raw data about this, if you take that at face value then I have oceanside property to sell you in Colorado.

it’s like the Toronto Argonauts, they say they have wonderful ratings but I don’t know a single person who is a fan of them or wears any of their gear, and they’ve always had “socially distanced” crowds anyways.

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Im wondering about a diplomatic ploy might be at play here.  Maybe Im reading it wrong (and would be happy as hell if I am because I think a Sapporo Winter Olympics would be absolutely fantastic), but maybe there could be a gentlemen's agreement that if Tokyo grins and bears it, Sapporo 2030 is theirs if they want it, expedited, no strings attached.  If I was the IOC, thats exactly how I would play it.  

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2 hours ago, yoshi said:

Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

Take Sapporo to the bank and cash it in if thats an option.  

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That'd be a very good deal for all involved - offer a more favourable financial arrangement to help seal the support if need be. If it's a plausible option and a soon-ish summer games in Tokyo isn't, then it's time to use that new bidding process and get it done. Even saves the Americans their Salt Lake City/LA problem. 

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