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On 7/22/2021 at 3:40 PM, baron-pierreIV said:

That's cheap.  Sochi was $55 Billion; Beijing 2008 was $40 billion (and if 2022 proceeds, they'll amortize some of those infrastructure costs for a 2nd use; so that'll be a bargain).  2020ne only has turned out higher because of the one-year delay and the closure of nearly everything -- with no tourist $$s coming in.  But Japan is rich enough to absorb those losses.  And it will still get the global TV coverage these events look forward to.  

Russia essentially built a new city for that amount of money, though. And (partially due to western sanctions preventing Russians from going to the west) that city has become a booming tourist town.

What will the Japanese get in exchange for the $20 billion investment? 

I don't know if it's been mentioned upthread, but Toyota, Panasonic and other Japanese companies are pulling their Olympic ads on domestic Japanese television. These games have become a toxic brand in Japan, and no one with any sense would want to be associated with the disaster.

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13 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

I think any political member who proposes a future games at any level will probably get assassinated on the spot.  Japan wont be bidding for another game again in my lifetime (and Im in my 30s).

This is the reason why the police are trained very hard

 

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1 hour ago, Victorian said:

For a games meant to have no fans, there seems to be quite a few around most notably the cycling and swimming today!

I was wondering how so many people were there.  Someone still needs to explain to me why NPB games can have people in attendance but Olympic events cannot

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21 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

I was wondering how so many people were there.  Someone still needs to explain to me why NPB games can have people in attendance but Olympic events cannot

This is the question.  Baseball is played in front of crowds.  The  cycling road evnt drew crowds.  The idea that these games are not supported and the Japanese don't want to go to see these events is a myth.

They could easily sell tickets to half fill these events. 

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Watched some of the beach volleyball, swimming and badminton. It is utterly sad that the venues are empty. Feels so wasted to build all these temporary seating only to not use them. Surely they can allow even just 10%/ 20% capacity with plenty of space between spectators just to give it down atmosphere? 
 

Adam Peaty of Team GB already said this morning after his heat that it doesn’t feel like the Olympics. 

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1 hour ago, kevzz said:

Watched some of the beach volleyball, swimming and badminton. It is utterly sad that the venues are empty. Feels so wasted to build all these temporary seating only to not use them. Surely they can allow even just 10%/ 20% capacity with plenty of space between spectators just to give it down atmosphere?

I am not sure if the public used these venues right before the Olympics but I do hope so.

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Just now, Olympian2005 said:

Have been watching some swimming and there is a bit of a crowd which is cool :)

I think it’s the other teams and support squads. But, yes, it does help bring some atmosphere.

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15 hours ago, AmaniS said:

This is the question.  Baseball is played in front of crowds.  The  cycling road evnt drew crowds.  The idea that these games are not supported and the Japanese don't want to go to see these events is a myth.

They could easily sell tickets to half fill these events. 

Think of it like this, if we are to believe for example that 80% in the Tokyo area were opposed to the Olympics, that’s 20% who supported it. 20% in the Tokyo area is more than a mind boggling 15 million when you are speaking of the largest city in the world. (by metro area)

The bits I saw like for swimming, I noticed every spectator was wearing one of those access badges worn as lanyards which I recall seeing many of during the Toronto Pan Am Games. Obviously to get one, you need to be connected with the games somehow, as in athlete, coach, media, volunteer, anything. The access badge only guarantees access to the venues that are explicitly on the badge.

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6 hours ago, MisterSG1 said:

Think of it like this, if we are to believe for example that 80% in the Tokyo area were opposed to the Olympics, that’s 20% who supported it. 20% in the Tokyo area is more than a mind boggling 15 million when you are speaking of the largest city in the world. (by metro area)

The bits I saw like for swimming, I noticed every spectator was wearing one of those access badges worn as lanyards which I recall seeing many of during the Toronto Pan Am Games. Obviously to get one, you need to be connected with the games somehow, as in athlete, coach, media, volunteer, anything. The access badge only guarantees access to the venues that are explicitly on the badge.

 

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^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

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24 minutes ago, FYI said:

. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

We'll see how the Sapporoans?/sites?/nese? respond to the walk races and the marathons held in their city.  I bet the most ardent critics and most vocal supporters will put up a show for the TV cameras.  

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43 minutes ago, FYI said:

^SIGH - can one just imagine then, if it wasn't for Corona, looks like Tokyo 2020 would've been a smashing success last year, just like London 2012 was. It's starting to look very apparent then, that the "cancel the Tokyo Olympics" crowd was nothing more than just a very loud minority, as is the case most often, but not always, with these NOlympics voices. Perhaps a Sapporo 2030 winter bid is not all that DOA like some on here have vehemently suggested then.

I 100% get their opposition to the games and part of that animosity is also pointed towards the country's leadership which they're not too happy with now.  And who have been playing a lot of political games with these Olympics.  But here we are 2 days in and for all the folks loudly proclaiming "OMG COVID, it's a disaster, it'll be a super spreader for sure," the silence from them now is deafening.  Sure, we're had athletes and some events affected by COVID.  I don't want to jinx it but saying anything, but let's leave it at that.

More than anything, the level of satisfaction I'm going to get from the NOlympics crowd will be through the roof.  They can all STFU right now and shove their fearmongering where the sun don't shine.. even in the land of the rising sun!

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45 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

We'll see how the Sapporoans?/sites?/nese? respond to the walk races and the marathons held in their city.  I bet the most ardent critics and most vocal supporters will put up a show for the TV cameras.  

A ton of fans showed up for the finish to the cycling road races, so clearly they'll have people willing to show up in support.  And hopefully it will make for some nice visuals after 2 weeks of empty venues

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I hope the feeling is one of what might've been after these Games, not OMG Thank God that disaster is over. Another Tokyo Summer Games soon (say, 2040) might be a genuine possibility if Japan comes out of it pining for what might've been, and I wouldn't begrudge them that.

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Wow - if that level of interest and support continues (and especially if Japan keeps doing well in the medals), then never mind Sapporo 2030, might there be a look at Tokyo 2036? If the Japanese feel they want to do it again, only to get the chance to do it properly, with spectators and all the attached pomp as it should be? They've got all the venues, it wouldn't be anything like as expensive as this one. If that desire is there, I'm sure the IOC would look favourably upon the chance to lock in a reliable country, and be seen to look grateful to Japan. Would free up a hesitant Germany for 2040, or Italy or even London. I know it'd be an unusually short gap and two timezones the same but these are unprecedented times so I'm sure people would understand... obviously it'd depend on Sapporo, they surely wouldn't get both. 

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11 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

A ton of fans showed up for the finish to the cycling road races, so clearly they'll have people willing to show up in support.  And hopefully it will make for some nice visuals after 2 weeks of empty venues

Very glad to hear it!

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