Jump to content

Tokyo 2020 News - General


Recommended Posts

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

Why do we have a problem with Bach? I reckon he is great and has done a terrific job as President helping reform for the Olympic movement and making the games for sustainable.

Has he though?  Is the Olympic movement truly reformed or is it the same bunch of aristocrats with little regard for their effect on the world?

Remains to be seen if the games are sustainable.  The IOC caught a break that there were 2 cities left standing for 2026, but who knows what they'll get for 2030.  I don't think Bach's legacy will be a positive one.  Let's look back a year from now and see how the world perceives him and the IOC, especially after Tokyo and Beijing.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes

I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, FYI said:

quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes

I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL

History will be the ultimate judge, but Bach will likely have been at the helm of 6 Olympics.. Sochi, Rio, PyeongChang, Tokyo, Beijing, and Paris.  The first 3 of those were awarded before he was president, but that's not a great track record.  And even if Paris is a huge success (which we know will rankle a certain journalist who still probably thinks "LA should go first!"), he'll probably be judged more for the negatives than the positives

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, FYI said:

quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes

I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL

Exactly that: LOL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thomas Bach, Olympic Champion, Fencing 1976, is a little tyrant who has relegated the members who are not part of his inner circle to the point that their only meaningful duties are the presenting of medals (well in Tokyo, they just get to stand around and watch the athletes present the medals to themselves). This new host selection process takes away their voting duties (of course they get to vote on the chosen city. I will be curious to see if any vote against Brisbane this week, knowing that doing so will result in them becoming pariahs within the Movement). There is no longer any healthy debate on any issues, they just rubber stamp any recommendations that he and his cronies propose. There is little to no democracy in Prince Bachiavelli's world.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

^Perhaps that is why the IOC gets along so well with autocratic govt’s? Like two peas in a pod! 

But isn’t the so-called “voting” process still secret though? If any vote against Brisbane, how would we directly know? That would be very interesting in itself!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

Has he though?  Is the Olympic movement truly reformed or is it the same bunch of aristocrats with little regard for their effect on the world?

Remains to be seen if the games are sustainable.  The IOC caught a break that there were 2 cities left standing for 2026, but who knows what they'll get for 2030.  I don't think Bach's legacy will be a positive one.  Let's look back a year from now and see how the world perceives him and the IOC, especially after Tokyo and Beijing.  

It has not fully reformed, but he has at least bought them another 11 years in which to change their way of doing things.

I remain dubious that a spread out plan is going to work well. (Having everything in one city makes logistical issues a lot easier.) But they absolutely have to do something to break the sports up into smaller groups. I would prefer four games instead of two, but regional bids like the Gold Coast regional bid for 2032 is the other viable way to achieve it.

I think we have to wait until after 2032 before we can judge Bach's tenure.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Nacre said:

It has not fully reformed, but he has at least bought them another 11 years in which to change their way of doing things.

I remain dubious that a spread out plan is going to work well. (Having everything in one city makes logistical issues a lot easier.) But they absolutely have to do something to break the sports up into smaller groups. I would prefer four games instead of two, but regional bids like the Gold Coast regional bid for 2032 is the other viable way to achieve it.

I think we have to wait until after 2032 before we can judge Bach's tenure.

The locations for SEQ though aren't any different to the distance for LA. People forget this. Brisbane isn't massive like Los Angeles so the distance from the Sunshine Coast to Gold Coast are similar to the distance for venues for LA 28.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I see your point.

Long Beach - Los Angeles - Sherman Oaks: 72 km

Gold Coast - Brisbane - Sunshine Coast: 184 km

In fairness even Tokyo is doing this with track cycling in Izu: 130 km away from Tokyo proper.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 7/16/2021 at 1:52 AM, Quaker2001 said:

At this point, it's all but a statement of fact that the IOC is woefully corrupt.  The problem is that at this point, they are the Olympic Games and there's no way to separate the 2.  And I can totally understand the sentiment from a lot of people that the Olympics need to be dismantled for that reason.  When people bring up there's a history of racism with the IOC and a whole long list of terrible things associated with them, they're not wrong.  So yes, like you I'm torn between wanting to view and experience the Olympics solely as a sporting event, but have trouble separating out all the politics and other unavoidable negatives that have permanently sullied the Olympic movement.  We all want the IOC not to be terrible and for the Olympics not to be a burden on the host city.  But they are.  And I don't know what the solution is going forward, because it'll take a massive reform on the part of the NBC to take the stink off of the monster they have created in the past couple of decades.

I know, this is entirely their show and there's no way around that. At the same time I turned on Peacock last month to replace Netflix for a while, and I plonked down $65 yesterday to turn on Hulu Live for a month so I'm just patronizing the people I criticize.

NBC absolutely could push for a lot of reform, and maybe 2022 will start that, but I have no doubts in my mind that the next few weeks are going to be a ratings bonanza for NBC, and winning that papers over a lot of the chattering we do about the real ickiness of the IOC.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, GoNutz said:

I know, this is entirely their show and there's no way around that. At the same time I turned on Peacock last month to replace Netflix for a while, and I plonked down $65 yesterday to turn on Hulu Live for a month so I'm just patronizing the people I criticize.

NBC absolutely could push for a lot of reform, and maybe 2022 will start that, but I have no doubts in my mind that the next few weeks are going to be a ratings bonanza for NBC, and winning that papers over a lot of the chattering we do about the real ickiness of the IOC.

You know, I clearly meant to say IOC when I typed NBC.  I don't think there's much of anything NBC can do here.  They're a partner, just like the host cities.  They have their financial interests, but there's only so much they can do as a rightsholder.  Their job is to cover the event, not to become a part of it.  How they present that coverage to their audience is a separate issue altogether than that of the host cities.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

You know, I clearly meant to say IOC when I typed NBC.  I don't think there's much of anything NBC can do here.  They're a partner, just like the host cities.  They have their financial interests, but there's only so much they can do as a rightsholder.  Their job is to cover the event, not to become a part of it.  How they present that coverage to their audience is a separate issue altogether than that of the host cities.

I didn't pick out IOC from that, I thought you were making a greater point that money is actually the true controlling factor for the IOC, and NBC being the single largest and actually greatest overall source of revenue for the IOC, does actually have a lot of power. If you add to that, that we're almost certainly past peak olympics and with audience fragmentation the way it is, and the revenue strategies of NBCUniversal while it's still a novel spectacle, it doesn't draw the single focus it has in the past. Now a domestic event like SLC, or LA will definitely draw, but Asian time zones don't lead to great coverage, and I think 2022 is going to follow and maybe even pick up speed for the downward trend especially for the winter version.

I believe were NBC to push for some reforms they might be able to get something done, but I also believe that if they told NBC to take a hike, Disney would probably be right there offering nearly the same amount for rights. I'm of the belief that reform will come when a distinct downward trend in attention emerges and that could happen as early as this winter with Beijing, so I hold a flicker of hope. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31847805/tokyo-2020-organizing-committee-chief-rule-cancellation-summer-olympics

So a last minute cancellation is still a possibility if cases continue to rise. For arguments sake, if the organizing committee decided on a last minute cancellation, the IOC's response would be interesting nonetheless. The IOC has no authority to force Tokyo to hold the Olympics at all costs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That’s not necessarily true. The 1918 pandemic was pretty much done by the time Antwerp hosted in August 1920. But this is really a sad state of affairs all the way around, especially for Tokyo. Many athletes have already dropped out, so this isn’t going to be much of a Games anyway.  Beijing 2022 probably won’t be that much better, either. But the Chinese organizers (& the IOC, for that matter) will undoubtedly paint the prettiest picture that they can regardless.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, stryker said:

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31847805/tokyo-2020-organizing-committee-chief-rule-cancellation-summer-olympics

So a last minute cancellation is still a possibility if cases continue to rise. For arguments sake, if the organizing committee decided on a last minute cancellation, the IOC's response would be interesting nonetheless. The IOC has no authority to force Tokyo to hold the Olympics at all costs.

There is ZERO chance of a last minute cancellation.  I really dislike the "they didn't rule it out" element of reporting.  It would take an act of G-d at this point to stop these Olympics from happening.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, FYI said:

That’s not necessarily true. The 1918 pandemic was pretty much done by the time Antwerp hosted in August 1920. But this is really a sad state of affairs all the way around, especially for Tokyo. Many athletes have already dropped out, so this isn’t going to be much of a Games anyway.  Beijing 2022 probably won’t be that much better, either. But the Chinese organizers (& the IOC, for that matter) will undoubtedly paint the prettiest picture that they can regardless.

A year ago, the prospect of a Tokyo Olympics followed shortly thereafter by Beijing seemed like a great thing.  Now, not so much.  I'm sure there's more than a few people within the IOC that just want to get through the next 8 months and then start focusing their sights on Paris and hope that the Olympic movement hasn't been permanently damaged.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said:

I'm sure there's more than a few people within the IOC that just want to get through the next 8 months and then start focusing their sights on Paris and hope that the Olympic movement hasn't been permanently damaged.

Milan too.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, GoNutz said:

I didn't pick out IOC from that, I thought you were making a greater point that money is actually the true controlling factor for the IOC, and NBC being the single largest and actually greatest overall source of revenue for the IOC, does actually have a lot of power. If you add to that, that we're almost certainly past peak olympics and with audience fragmentation the way it is, and the revenue strategies of NBCUniversal while it's still a novel spectacle, it doesn't draw the single focus it has in the past. Now a domestic event like SLC, or LA will definitely draw, but Asian time zones don't lead to great coverage, and I think 2022 is going to follow and maybe even pick up speed for the downward trend especially for the winter version.

I believe were NBC to push for some reforms they might be able to get something done, but I also believe that if they told NBC to take a hike, Disney would probably be right there offering nearly the same amount for rights. I'm of the belief that reform will come when a distinct downward trend in attention emerges and that could happen as early as this winter with Beijing, so I hold a flicker of hope. 

Disney had a chance to take over the show back in 2011 when Comcast had just taken off NBC and were preaching that they didn't want to over-spend.  Easy for history to forget it was not a given that NBC would win the rights for the 2014-2020 package.  There were serious doubts back then.  But in the end, NBC was willing to pay the big bucks and Disney was not.

There is a lot of sentiment out there that the Olympics perhaps are no longer in the 21st century what they were for most of the 20th.  That a worldwide celebration of athletes doesn't resonate the same way as it used to, particularly given the burdens in places on certain people and places.  I don't know what can be done about that, and maybe some of that negative sentiment will subside after Tokyo and Beijing are in the history books.  The only thing that gives me hope, and maybe this is a myopic view as an American, is that Los Angeles is on the horizon.  And while I'm not counting on them to be the same kind of savior to the Olympics that the `84 Games were, at least I remain cautiously optimistic that it can be successful enough to silence some of the critics, even if it's only temporary.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Again Quaker, your arrogance about this whole thing is astounding.

First you agree the IOC is evil and yet you insist on the games being held in Tokyo no matter what, no matter what Tokyo thinks about this whole thing now. You’re entire selfish interests about wanting to see sports that are supposedly the best in the world trumps public health? Give me a break.

I’m not trying to troll but what good has ever actually come from the Olympics, let’s be honest, I can think of multiple negatives right off the top of my head.

Read the comments of any article about the Olympics in Canada and you’ll see anger about the Tokyo games going further.

I hope any Canadian athlete who was selfish enough to participate in these games gets blacklisted from any kind of employment in the future.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...