Quaker2001 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 11:22 AM, MisterSG1 said: The thing is, many on this site seem to be in the land of sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops regarding the Olympics. The real situation is, why should a place who invested billions in having an Olympics not be allowed to celebrate it? Yet, the IOC is forcing Japan to go through something no one wants anymore. This is a once in a century situation we find ourselves in, and it doesn't happen everyday. I suggested that the Olympics be moved to next year and was laughed at, when really it would have been advantageous to China as well. Making Beijing happen in 2024 would allow some of the negativity about China to blow over. But no, I was instead yelled at about the meaningless British Empire games of 2022. And the World Athletics Championships rescheduled to 2022. And the FINA World Championships rescheduled to 2022. Plus others I'm not thinking of. It's really easy for you to sit there and say "just move it to 2022 and tell Beijing to slide to 2024." Do you understand how ridiculously difficult those undertakings are? When exactly was the IOC supposed to make the call on this one to enact this one. You think the Japanese would suddenly warm up to the Olympics if added a trillion yen to the price tag to host them? You're right it's a once in a century situation, but Japan had 1 and only 1 opportunity to postpone and find a new date for the Olympics. It really sucks we're still in this situation, but last March when they made the call to move back 1 year, would have guessed that would be enough. Sadly it's not, but you're in a land of some of your own delusions if you think your plan could even get considered. On 7/14/2021 at 11:22 AM, MisterSG1 said: Quaker2001 reinforces that negative stereotype about Americans not giving a crap about anything outside its borders. I hate to do this but its true in this regard, just because you got your vaccine months ago because Biden locked down access to the vaccine, doesn't mean the rest of the world got swift access to said vaccine whatsoever. Perhaps Quebec should have shut off your power because of refusal to distribute orders of vaccine? This stranglehold was not removed into Canada until May 1 which at that point, vaccination rate climbed dramatically in Canada. You know what's funny is that a lot of people figured Japan would be a good location to be able to get their act together and be able to find a way through this pandemic. Instead, here we are with Tokyo in a state of emergency. Is that the fault of the IOC and the Olympics? Yea, this country was a shitshow a year ago and we managed to get a large percentage of this country vaccinated. I'm sympathetic to what's going on in Japan where there's a lot of mistrust in the country's leadership. I'm aware the rest of the world isn't as fortunate as we are. But I still find it curious that they are allowing fans to attend NPB games, but not Olympic events. So yes, forgive me if I'm questioning what it is they're doing over there in a country that I expected more of. On 7/14/2021 at 11:22 AM, MisterSG1 said: The fact that much of the world has been locked down and the US has generally had the laissez-faire approach during the pandemic really only means one thing in the competition. Complete American domination at the Olympics like we never have seen before. A public pool has not been open in Toronto for the entire length of this pandemic for example so many athletes wouldn't have access to training for example. TF are you talking about that we didn't have lock downs. Don't stereotype our entire country because the Trump supporters kept pushing bullshit propaganda that the virus was a hoax. There were massive restrictions throughout this country (how strongly they were followed is a different story). Public facilities were shut down the entire time until the vaccines started doing their thing. Don't be so butthurt if Americans win a lot of medals as if the only possible reason for that is that we had fewer restrictions. Take a longer look at the "state of emergency" they have in Tokyo right now. That's not a lockdown. It's more along the lines of voluntary restrictions where they're asking businesses "will you please shut off your karaoke machine after 8pm." On 7/14/2021 at 11:22 AM, MisterSG1 said: Remember Quaker, do we need a trip down memory lane, Beijing won 2022 against the mighty Almaty. Did you honestly know the capital of Kazakhstan prior to the bid? Nobody wanted the 2024 Olympics except Paris and LA, so the double bid was awarded because of the albatross hosting the Olympics is nowadays. IOC refuses to show any compassion but rather must bow down to pleasing NBC at all costs, may I remind you in how NBC has made bad decision after bad decision regarding the NHL, thankfully they no longer have NHL. Speaking of NBC, how many of their posse will be allowed into Japan, I suspect possibly over a thousand at the very least. Japan can easily just close its border now and stick it to the IOC, no athletes, no media, no games. The Capital of Kazakhstan isn't Almaty, it's Astana. Or at least it has been since 1997. And apparently Astana isn't even called Astana anymore. Did you know that? The IOC is doing this for all of their corporate donors, not just NBC. They want their Olympics because if they don't have it, they won't get all those bundles of cash everyone promised them. No, please remind me more about the history of Olympic bidding. I really need you of the 82 posts you've made on here to explain it all to us. We're well aware of the IOC's general shittyness. But all they need is 1 willing partner and they can ignore the mess they've made for themselves that we've about to have a 3rd straight Summer Olympics host awarded without a vote. If you need a history lesson, read up on how Oslo told the IOC "no thank you" to a 2022 bid because of the laundry list of demands and the the IOC basically told them to go **** themselves. No kidding they're a self-indulgent organization that uses cities and countries to do the dirty work for them. We all know that here. We don't think otherwise. But again, if you're going to come on here with some cockamamie plan to save the day, don't be so insulted that we're laughing at you in the process of trying to explain to you why you're wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 3:51 PM, GoNutz said: I don't think it's crazy or out there to think that the IOC is woefully corrupt organization, yet believe the olympic games themselves are something that is fascinating, attractive, and enjoyable to view or support. It's not black and white, the IOC is garbage, the events themselves are pretty cool. Wanting the IOC to not be terrible, at least for me personally doesn't change my feelings for watching pretty ceremonies and experiencing vicarious athletic achievements of Team USA participants. At this point, it's all but a statement of fact that the IOC is woefully corrupt. The problem is that at this point, they are the Olympic Games and there's no way to separate the 2. And I can totally understand the sentiment from a lot of people that the Olympics need to be dismantled for that reason. When people bring up there's a history of racism with the IOC and a whole long list of terrible things associated with them, they're not wrong. So yes, like you I'm torn between wanting to view and experience the Olympics solely as a sporting event, but have trouble separating out all the politics and other unavoidable negatives that have permanently sullied the Olympic movement. We all want the IOC not to be terrible and for the Olympics not to be a burden on the host city. But they are. And I don't know what the solution is going forward, because it'll take a massive reform on the part of the NBC to take the stink off of the monster they have created in the past couple of decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Quaker2001 said: At this point, it's all but a statement of fact that the IOC is woefully corrupt. The problem is that at this point, they are the Olympic Games and there's no way to separate the 2. And I can totally understand the sentiment from a lot of people that the Olympics need to be dismantled for that reason. When people bring up there's a history of racism with the IOC and a whole long list of terrible things associated with them, they're not wrong. So yes, like you I'm torn between wanting to view and experience the Olympics solely as a sporting event, but have trouble separating out all the politics and other unavoidable negatives that have permanently sullied the Olympic movement. We all want the IOC not to be terrible and for the Olympics not to be a burden on the host city. But they are. And I don't know what the solution is going forward, because it'll take a massive reform on the part of the NBC to take the stink off of the monster they have created in the past couple of decades. That's true for other sporting organizations (not just the IOC), take a look at AIBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, WD96 said: That's true for other sporting organizations (not just the IOC), take a look at AIBA. AIBA was supended because of ****ups such as electing a US-scantioned person as president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 *sanctioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 All of that aside, the IOC should absolutely learn from FIFA if they want to reform themselves (which they are for a long time but are too slow as everyone had just mentioned). I apologize if the content of the video is blocked, FIFA doesn't allow us to interlink their videos. There are things that were mentioned in the video that the IOC can learn from FIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethkirby Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 The #Tokyo2020 Olympic Games won't have in-person spectators. What does this mean for local sponsors? “Tokyo 2020: with no spectators, local sponsors lose out” https://theconversation.com/tokyo-2020-with-no-spectators-local-sponsors-lose-out-163450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman530 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 uh oh........not this ish again (literally) Tokyo Olympics' outdoor swimming venue smells "like a toilet" (yahoo.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, iceman530 said: uh oh........not this ish again (literally) Tokyo Olympics' outdoor swimming venue smells "like a toilet" (yahoo.com) *Rio flashbacks* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Do we think the games will go ahead or cancelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulu Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, iceman530 said: uh oh........not this ish again (literally) Tokyo Olympics' outdoor swimming venue smells "like a toilet" (yahoo.com) Instead of trying to clean the bay they should've held the triathlon somewhere else cleaner outside of Tokyo. Hopefully with "the new norm" this kind of thing will stop happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palette86 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 8:17 AM, WD96 said: Oh vey! https://www.financialexpress.com/sports/tokyo-2020-olympics-bans-booze-to-curb-covid-second-ugandan-tests-positive/2277106/ Quote Ugandan athlete in Japan for Olympics goes missing leaving note A Ugandan athlete who took part in pre-Olympic training camp in western Japan has gone missing, leaving a note to the effect of, "I want to work in Japan," local officials said Friday, with police now conducting a search in a case that may raise further questions about the safety of the games to be held amid the coronavirus pandemic. Julius Ssekitoleko, a 20-year-old weightlifter staying in Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, purchased at a local station a shinkansen bullet train ticket to Nagoya, about 200 kilometers away, the city said, nearly a day since the athlete was last seen. Ssekitoleko, who missed a spot for the Olympics after arriving in Japan last month, said in the note left at his hotel that he does not want to return to Uganda because life there is difficult and asked members of his delegation to give his belongings to his wife in his home country, according to the city. He was not at his hotel when an official attempted to receive his sample for coronavirus testing at around noon Friday, the city said, adding he was last seen at around 12:30 a.m. by a teammate. All delegation members must submit their samples for COVID-19 testing in the morning. The development just a week before the opening of the Olympics may fuel concerns over the anti-virus measures in place by the games' organizers, which have said athletes will only be allowed to go to limited locations and will not come into contact with locals. The organizers have repeatedly said the Tokyo Games can be held safely, but public skepticism remains high especially due to a surge in COVID-19 infections in the Japanese capital. The nine-member Ugandan delegation arrived at Narita airport near Tokyo on June 19 as one of the first teams to come to Japan for the games, but two members have tested positive for the coronavirus. In a statement sent to Kyodo News, Beatrice Ayikoru, the chef de mission of the Ugandan delegation, admitted that Ssekitoleko has gone missing and said that he was due to head home with his coach next Tuesday. "We, during our regular team briefings both in Uganda and in Japan, emphasized inter alia the need to respect the immigration regulations of Japan and not opt to leave the camp without authorization," the chief of the team said, adding it is cooperating with local authorities in trying to locate him. The athlete answered his phone when an official in Uganda called him at around 6 p.m., but he said he was not in a situation to talk and hung up, according to the city. The ticket to Nagoya was purchased around 6:30 a.m., it said. The central city is the prefectural capital of Aichi, where about 150 Ugandan people -- the second-largest in Japan -- were living as of late last year, according to government data released Friday. Following the two COVID-19 cases on the team, Ugandan athletes only started training in the western Japan city last week after they had refrained from doing so. The first Ugandan member in his 50s had tested positive for the virus upon arrival at the airport. While the remaining eight members traveled to Izumisano, a second person in their 20s was found to be infected, raising concern over Japan's border control measures. Izumisano has not revealed whether Ssekitoleko was the member who had tested positive for the virus, citing privacy reasons. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021/07/37a6d0d3d253-urgent-ugandan-olympic-athlete-training-in-japan-goes-missing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@SportNow786542 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 2:53 PM, WD96 said: All of that aside, the IOC should absolutely learn from FIFA if they want to reform themselves (which they are for a long time but are too slow as everyone had just mentioned). To be honest, Yes, the IOC should come see their senses from what FIFA had experienced back then, and for example, this should start by limiting an IOC presidency for only one term, meaning that he or she is ineligible for re-election. By theory, if it was enforced today, Thomas Bach wouldn't been re-elected back in March for a second term, and his successor would have presided over Tokyo 2020. Secondly, they should need an IOC Council to add that, and council members would be elected by their respective National Olympic Committees; in addition, an IOC president would no longer have the power to cast votes. All of these are based out of FIFA's reforms to exercise good governance, transparency, and accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 FIFA is still a corrupt swamp with all these „reforms“ being smokescreens without any proper effect. Infantino is making dubious deals with dubious people, just as Blatter ran FIFA like his own property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Why do we have a problem with Bach? I reckon he is great and has done a terrific job as President helping reform for the Olympic movement and making the games for sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@SportNow786542 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Victorian said: Why do we have a problem with Bach? I reckon he is great and has done a terrific job as President helping reform for the Olympic movement and making the games for sustainable. I'm only just making an example here if there's only one term for an IOC president. But at least Bach is doing a good job, and for his decisions, we have a calendar of Olympic hosts (most of them had staged once or twice) that are more experienced in staging bigger-scale events such as the Olympics, Los Angeles 2028 and Milano-Cortina 2026 are clear examples of that, as sometimes, they used mostly existing facilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Victorian said: Why do we have a problem with Bach? I reckon he is great and has done a terrific job as President helping reform for the Olympic movement and making the games for sustainable. Has he though? Is the Olympic movement truly reformed or is it the same bunch of aristocrats with little regard for their effect on the world? Remains to be seen if the games are sustainable. The IOC caught a break that there were 2 cities left standing for 2026, but who knows what they'll get for 2030. I don't think Bach's legacy will be a positive one. Let's look back a year from now and see how the world perceives him and the IOC, especially after Tokyo and Beijing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, FYI said: quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL History will be the ultimate judge, but Bach will likely have been at the helm of 6 Olympics.. Sochi, Rio, PyeongChang, Tokyo, Beijing, and Paris. The first 3 of those were awarded before he was president, but that's not a great track record. And even if Paris is a huge success (which we know will rankle a certain journalist who still probably thinks "LA should go first!"), he'll probably be judged more for the negatives than the positives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 hours ago, FYI said: quotes - "at least Bach is doing a 'good' job". - "I reckon he is 'great' and has done a 'terrific' job as president helping 'reform' the Olympic Movement and making the Games sustainable". - unquotes I'd ponder what the Bach (& Coates, for that matter) skeptics around here would have to say about that. LOL Exactly that: LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD96 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Exactly that: LOL Well, only time will tell for Bach's legacy once he leaves office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTHarner Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Thomas Bach, Olympic Champion, Fencing 1976, is a little tyrant who has relegated the members who are not part of his inner circle to the point that their only meaningful duties are the presenting of medals (well in Tokyo, they just get to stand around and watch the athletes present the medals to themselves). This new host selection process takes away their voting duties (of course they get to vote on the chosen city. I will be curious to see if any vote against Brisbane this week, knowing that doing so will result in them becoming pariahs within the Movement). There is no longer any healthy debate on any issues, they just rubber stamp any recommendations that he and his cronies propose. There is little to no democracy in Prince Bachiavelli's world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 ^Perhaps that is why the IOC gets along so well with autocratic govt’s? Like two peas in a pod! But isn’t the so-called “voting” process still secret though? If any vote against Brisbane, how would we directly know? That would be very interesting in itself! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTHarner Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 I'm sure he would have ways of finding out. The IOC is just like any workplace with its snitches and office politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacre Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 12 hours ago, Quaker2001 said: Has he though? Is the Olympic movement truly reformed or is it the same bunch of aristocrats with little regard for their effect on the world? Remains to be seen if the games are sustainable. The IOC caught a break that there were 2 cities left standing for 2026, but who knows what they'll get for 2030. I don't think Bach's legacy will be a positive one. Let's look back a year from now and see how the world perceives him and the IOC, especially after Tokyo and Beijing. It has not fully reformed, but he has at least bought them another 11 years in which to change their way of doing things. I remain dubious that a spread out plan is going to work well. (Having everything in one city makes logistical issues a lot easier.) But they absolutely have to do something to break the sports up into smaller groups. I would prefer four games instead of two, but regional bids like the Gold Coast regional bid for 2032 is the other viable way to achieve it. I think we have to wait until after 2032 before we can judge Bach's tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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