baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Faiyez said: Ironic that the games that had to be postponed were the ones that were actually ready to be on time. What's the saying: you want to make the God/s laugh? Plan well in advance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shadowriver 11 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Faiyez said: Ironic that the games that had to be postponed were the ones that were actually ready to be on time. Well they now have more time to be even more ready ;p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TorchbearerSydney 249 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 The flame was lit in 2020...so the ''Olympic Spirit'' was summoned in 2020! (Good as any explanation!) They could light the peace flame in Hiroshima for a year ... that would be very symbolic.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew_syd 4 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Shadowriver said: If i'm not mistaken, they actually forced to keep Tokyo 2020 due to trademark/legal issues, change in it when things are already on go would be a struggle, i heard that in case of postponed Euro 2020. Very true. That and they've probably changed their logo enough times as it is!! Funny how they can move an entire Olympic Games a whole year - such a logistical nightmare even the IOC probably haven't fully got their heads around yet - yet they can't change one digit.. hehe While it is certainly not the most devastating thing happening in the world right now, it sure is sad to see such a previously unimaginable new "first" for the Olympics. Isn't it weird that these are the Games where the logo had to be changed, then the Olympic Stadium design. Now this. And of course the Torch Relay. At least one good thing might come from this - cities might just have to stop trying to break the record for the "longest Torch Relay" (Although technically these next 12 months probably don't officially count as part of the Torch Relay. But anyway...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Tower Bridge Fox 48 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 I wouldn't have liked London 2012 to become london 2013. So I think its good to keep the same name for what ever the reason. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew_syd 4 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, The Tower Bridge Fox said: I wouldn't have liked London 2012 to become london 2013. So I think its good to keep the same name for what ever the reason. Totally agree. The way I see it is, these are still the 2020 Games (or the 2020 edition of the Games). They just happen to be taking place in 2021. It's not like they are suddenly adding Games to random years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted March 25, 2020 Report Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, andrew_syd said: Totally agree. The way I see it is, these are still the 2020 Games (or the 2020 edition of the Games). They just happen to be taking place in 2021. It's not like they are suddenly adding Games to random years. Like the ancient Battle of Salamis too place in 480 BC. But because if it had been postponed one year later, actually was fought in 479 BC; but Herodotus' eraser had run out, so it stayed 480! (Hypothetically, of course & going by this "Tokyo 2020" time-shift.) Edited March 25, 2020 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StefanMUC 690 Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Isn’t it a strange coincidence that we’re seeing a sudden surge in cases in Tokyo this week and the Gov asking people to stay home even during cherry blossoming? You’d almost think the previous figures were so low while the Olympics weren’t postponed yet. All a bit fishy... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ikarus360 601 Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 ^^ This. It was very obvious Japan was lying about the real numbers due to their (and IOC) initial desperation to hold the Olympics whatever it took. Thankfully, Australia, Canada and the UK finally gave them a reality check. If anything this whole mess kind of diminished my usual respect for the way Japanese do things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony 57 Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Yeah I was confused on Japan's COVID numbers too. There was something off about how quiet Japan went with COVID and the focus went to the Olympics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 But the virus is arriving later at island nations naturally, and because they can limit or cut off access to their territory quickly. - look at the late arrival of the virus in Cuba; - Japan; very low numbers in the Philippines (a few weeks ago) despite the large presence of Chinese nationals there; - Taiwan (which practically does NOT have direct contact with mainland China); - very late in Oahu, Hawaii. What about stats from North Korea? Mongolia? Unless hospitals report the numbers to their respective Departments of Health, there really is NO accurate count for this virus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stryker 62 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 14 hours ago, Ikarus360 said: ^^ This. It was very obvious Japan was lying about the real numbers due to their (and IOC) initial desperation to hold the Olympics whatever it took. Thankfully, Australia, Canada and the UK finally gave them a reality check. If anything this whole mess kind of diminished my usual respect for the way Japanese do things. I think a lot of it had to do with the effect COVID-19 would have on the Japanese economy. Their economy was already teetering on the edge of a recession. Now the question isn't whether or not Japan will go into recession but how bad it will be. And Shinzo Abe, like all politicians in democratic nations, often take the fall for a faltering economy come election time. I mentioned earlier there was an article stating cancelling the Olympics would shave 1.4% off Japan's annual GDP so I imagine Japan was probably desperate to hold the Olympics to avoid any more adverse effects on the economy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StefanMUC 690 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 The adverse effect of large parts of the population sick or even dying and not able to wirk/consume is obviously a lesser consideration to Abe, Trump etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ikarus360 601 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 16 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said: - Taiwan (which practically does NOT have direct contact with mainland China); In the last decade they've been more open with mainland China (even though the new anti-mainland government which rules since 2016 has soured these relations) and most of the tourism Taiwan receives is from mainlanders. Taiwan dodged the virus for two months because they banned the entrance of all mainlanders very early. Problem is the virus is not exclusively a mainland China thing anymore hence why their COVID cases are slowly rising now. Quote What about stats from North Korea? Mongolia? There are strong rumours the virus did arrived in NK and that the government quietly killed those who were infected. It's difficult to know anything precise from NK given their orwellian censorship machinery. Quote - Japan; very low numbers in the Philippines (a few weeks ago) despite the large presence of Chinese nationals there; Philippines now has more than 1000 cases according to this article: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/03/29/virus-cases-in-philippines-exceed-1000-with-272-new-case-recorded 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stryker 62 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1092504/tokyo-2020-president-warns-ifs-costs So now the discussion has turned to "how are we going to pay for this?" and it seems Tokyo is eyeing the respective IFs to chip in. The question remains how much extra cash will be needed and which federations pay. To add onto that, suppose an IF says no, how would Tokyo and IOC react? Threaten the IF with removal for the Tokyo Olympics? Hard to see how that would work with IFs like FINA or IAAF. Regardless, the money has to come from some where and while we don't have official figures yet, I'd venture to say that Tokyo doesn't have the cash to pay for all the costs themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StefanMUC 690 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 30 minutes ago, stryker said: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1092504/tokyo-2020-president-warns-ifs-costs So now the discussion has turned to "how are we going to pay for this?" and it seems Tokyo is eyeing the respective IFs to chip in. The question remains how much extra cash will be needed and which federations pay. To add onto that, suppose an IF says no, how would Tokyo and IOC react? Threaten the IF with removal for the Tokyo Olympics? Hard to see how that would work with IFs like FINA or IAAF. Regardless, the money has to come from some where and while we don't have official figures yet, I'd venture to say that Tokyo doesn't have the cash to pay for all the costs themselves. Hasn‘t the IOC in the past bragged about being able to cover the losses in case an Olympics would be cancelled? If that wasn‘t empty words, then here you go. Many IFs only survive on Olympic money and I wouldn‘t put it past the IOC or the organisers to blackmail them. But if the IF goes bankrupt afterwards, what is won? Or maybe it‘s a cynical way to get rid of some sports like that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Tower Bridge Fox 48 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 I don't believe the statistics from any country. On 3/28/2020 at 8:27 AM, StefanMUC said: Isn’t it a strange coincidence that we’re seeing a sudden surge in cases in Tokyo this week and the Gov asking people to stay home even during cherry blossoming? You’d almost think the previous figures were so low while the Olympics weren’t postponed yet. All a bit fishy... I don't believe the statistics from any country Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stryker 62 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, StefanMUC said: Hasn‘t the IOC in the past bragged about being able to cover the losses in case an Olympics would be cancelled? If that wasn‘t empty words, then here you go. Many IFs only survive on Olympic money and I wouldn‘t put it past the IOC or the organisers to blackmail them. But if the IF goes bankrupt afterwards, what is won? Or maybe it‘s a cynical way to get rid of some sports like that... Well this raises a whole other issue. How many IFs, especially those that are smaller and survive on Olympic money, how many will go bankrupt the longer this crisis goes on as events are either cancelled or rescheduled? Your heavyweights like FINA, IAAF, and FIFA can manage but others may not. Frankly I think the IOC could save some money if the likes of tennis, golf, and football sat this next SOGs out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, StefanMUC said: Hasn‘t the IOC in the past bragged about being able to cover the losses in case an Olympics would be cancelled? If that wasn‘t empty words, then here you go. Many IFs only survive on Olympic money and I wouldn‘t put it past the IOC or the organisers to blackmail them. But if the IF goes bankrupt afterwards, what is won? Or maybe it‘s a cynical way to get rid of some sports like that... It's rumored that the IOC has at least $20 billion in the bank (supposedly 3rd only to Apple and the Vatican in terms of reserve cash). This is the time to open that reserve box. That's what it's there for. They can easily recoup the amounts by Beijing 2022 and Paris 2024. Edited March 30, 2020 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Rols 1902 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 The IOC always has a huge insurance policy for each games in case of cancellation. Though, as these are not being cancelled, I’m not sure if it would get a payout in this case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palette86 154 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Quote Tokyo Olympic head expects call from IOC's Bach on new date Tokyo Olympic President Yoshiro Mori said Monday he expects to talk with IOC President Thomas Bach this week about potential dates and other details for the rescheduled games next year. The International Olympic Committee and Japanese organizers last week postponed the Olympics until 2021 because of the coronavirus pandemic. "I anticipate speaking to President Bach this week," Mori said, speaking at the opening of an organizing committee executive board meeting. "He tends to call me directly, and that puts me in trouble because I don't have good command of English." Mori has repeatedly said the Olympics will be held no later than next summer and many reports suggest it will be in the same July-August slot. This year's games were to have opened on July 24 and closed on August 9. The corresponding weeks next year would mean a July 23 opening ceremony. "Opinions on both sides have been compiled, whether spring or summer," Mori said. "There are opinions for both options and they both have advantages and disadvantages that are being compared and then will be decided." After holding out for weeks, local organizers and the IOC last week postponed under pressure from athletes, national Olympic bodies, and sports federations. The decision on a date is expected to come quickly. The athletes are demanding it, and any reorganization revolves around a firm time slot. Both Mori and CEO Toshiro Muto have said the the cost of rescheduling will be "massive" -- local reports suggest several billion dollars -- with most of the expenses borne by Japanese taxpayers. Date:March 30, 2020 News source:The mainichi Link to this article:https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200330/p2g/00m/0sp/071000c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stryker 62 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/organizers-finalize-new-dates-for-tokyo-olympics-beginning-in-july-2021/ar-BB11Uz8s?ocid=spartanntp Dates finalized for Tokyo Olympics: July 23rd - August 8th 2021 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quaker2001 1260 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, stryker said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/organizers-finalize-new-dates-for-tokyo-olympics-beginning-in-july-2021/ar-BB11Uz8s?ocid=spartanntp Dates finalized for Tokyo Olympics: July 23rd - August 8th 2021 Makes sense. Everything moves exactly 1 year minus 1 day. Should be relatively easy to reset Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baron-pierreIV 1693 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Bit of history: Who was the Japanese official who said that Tokyo has had bad luck in being named an Olympic host city -- and he may have been right. Specifically, I wonder if he referred to the late naming of Sapporo to stage the marathon events -- and as a coupling, it recreated the JOINT cancellation of the 1940 Olympiad? At that time, it was the same country that hosted both Summer & Winter Games. So, when Nazi Germany grabbed Poland and the Sudetenland, and Imperial Japan bombed Pearl Harbor (crazy nation of Japan pretty much sealing its own fate in terms of Olympic dreams), it was NOT only Tokyo that was the loser for 1940, but Sapporo as well --although of course, preparations at that time were all on a much smaller scale. And here we are, 80 years later -- and a Tokyo-Sapporo configuration of the same year, again has to be cancelled. Is everything on a century cycle? To wit: - the double awarding of 2024/28 mirrors that of the same horse-trading arrangement of 1924/28/32. - the 1918 pandemic of the Spanish flu - the cancellation of Tokyo/Sapporo 2020 to +1. (What will happen to Russia's participation for next year? They were also not playing in 1940.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faiyez 16 Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Russia will remain wholly banned. Why would that be any different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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