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40 minutes ago, yoshi said:

Long-term relationship - a franchise eventually? Could this be West Ham's get out of jail card?

A leap I think! :lol:

1. A lot of their fans might not like it, but there's no indication West Ham want to or could afford to go elsewhere
2. An MLB season is huuuuge (I looked it up, 162 games!!). It also runs over the summer when the stadium is given over to athletics.
3. Do you know anyone who watches baseball here? I don't. I know a few NFL fans so it's easy to see why NFL matches here have been a success, but I'm far from convinced MLB can replicate that. I'm not even convinced these one-off games will be a success, but I can see why they're giving it a go.

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On 5/3/2018 at 9:56 AM, stryker said:

Looks like the Olympic Stadium is going to add baseball to its list of events when the Yankees and Red Sox play next year.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23394047/mlb-announce-new-york-yankees-boston-red-sox-games-london

Sounds interesting but wouldn't Lord's Cricket Ground or The Oval be a better place for baseball given the shape and dimensions?

Cricket doesn't have an infield and London's cricket grounds probably don't want to damage their grass adding one. And I imagine that the Olympic Stadium is more active in pursuing weird events like this for revenue.

1 hour ago, yoshi said:

Long-term relationship - a franchise eventually? Could this be West Ham's get out of jail card?

They don't need to move a franchise. With 162 games per season they could easily have each team play one series in internationally every year. I have always thought that baseball teams should play the series before and after the all-star break abroad. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Colombia, Venezuela and the Caribbean would all be better fits than London, though.

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There is an interesting contrast between the NFL and MLB in the teams being sent over. The NFL has been sending many of its worst teams to play in London, while these are the two best teams in baseball. Imagine trying to pique the interest of foreigners with Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest or Watford, and then compare it to Liverpool vs Manchester United.

For this to be a success they are going to have to explain to both the stadium operators and the public in London that baseball stadiums are really open air bars. No one goes to a baseball game for the thrill of watching baseball.

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Well you won't have any trouble convincing us of the merits of open air beer :lol: Also, 162 games?! They must play virtually every day :o

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They do play virtually every day from late March or early April until late September or early October followed by a month of playoffs. The contract with the players union mandates a scheduled day off every 20 days. 

I thought it was odd to schedule this for a weekend in the middle of the season, but I read somewhere that the flight from Boston to London isn't much longer than a flight from Boston to Los Angeles.

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Redesign of East Bank:

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New images have been released of Allies and Morrison’s ’complete’ redesign of the ambitious new £1.1 billion ‘cultural quarter’ in East London, formerly known as Olympicopolis

Now rebranded East Bank, the huge scheme at the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park will provide new facilities for some of the UK’s major cultural institutions to transform the canalside area into a ’powerhouse of culture, education and innovation’ spread across three sites.

The East Bank project also includes 600 new homes, half of which will be affordable, in a quartet of towers of up to 24 storeys and a trio of smaller residential buildings. These lower blocks and three of the high-rises will be designed by Allies and Morrison. A fourth tower has been drawn up by RIBA Gold Medal winners O’Donnell + Tuomey.

Earlier proposals had to be ’rescoped’ by the planning authority the London Legacy Development Corporation (LLDC) and tower heights cut back after a row over protected views of St Paul’s Cathedral.

The BBC has been announced as the latest addition at the Stratford Waterfront site, where it will join proposed outposts for the V&A and its new partnership with the Smithsonian Institution, a 550-seat theatre for dance company Sadler’s Wells and a new campus for the University of the Arts’ London College of Fashion.

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/olympicopolis-mark-ii-reworked-plans-for-east-london-cultural-hub-revealed/10031732.article

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BOO !

Just a note to let you know that the summer 2018 update of my ebook about the London 2012 opening ceremony is now available (Epub and Mobi formats, as usual; massively expanded, particularly in the section about preparations for the ceremony):

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Unless somebody points out a glaring omission / mistake, this will be the last update until summer 2020.

 

PS: The map of London 2012 OC firework videos has also gained the odd new spark since Christmas.

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Looks like a complete breakdown in the relationship between West Ham and the stadium owners....

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Karren Brady accuses stadium owners of holding West Ham to ransom over honours board

West Ham United’s new legal dispute with the London Stadium’s owners is threatening to boil over after the club’s vice-chairman Baroness Karren Brady accused the landlords of “underhand” behaviour in refusing to reinstate the honours board in the ground.

The board has had pride of place in the mid tier of the West Stand for the past two seasons but it was removed for the athletics events in the stadium during the summer.

It should have been reinstated for the new season but, as revealed by The Times, the stadium owners E20 have refused to do so due to a dispute over who should pay the maintenance fees for the big screen.

In the board’s place at the Bournemouth match on Saturday was a London Stadium-branded board proclaiming “This Is For Everyone” in what some West Ham fans claim are provocative blue-and-white colours similar to those used by rivals Tottenham.

Brady said: “For the second year running E20 have attempted to hold us to ransom and force us to pay a fee we are not liable for. The club simply cannot continue to yield to paying invented invoices year after year. We do not owe a fee for maintenance of the big screen and it has nothing to do with the mid-tier honours.

“In our first year at the stadium we paid a £1 million fee that was not part of our tenancy agreement to clear up a dispute over signage in the stadium. Last year we paid further fees to cover the reinstatement of the mid-tier honours on the understanding it was rolling annual fee which this year we agreed to double.

“We are frustrated and angry that our landlords should act in this underhand way and we will not hesitate to take a legal route to confirm our rights under the tenancy agreement.

“I can only apologise to our fans. The mid-tier honours list is an important part of our heritage and the look and feel of the stadium as the home of West Ham United. We will continue to do everything we can to ensure it is restored to its rightful location as soon as possible.”

The stadium’s owner, the London Legacy Development Corporation — also known as E20 — is demanding that West Ham pay tens of thousands of pounds to cover maintenance fees for the big screen inside the venue before it will reinstate the board, which details past successes such as the FA Cup in 1964, 1975 and 1980 and the European Cup Winners’ Cup in 1965.

The latest dispute has arisen days after West Ham won an arbitration case against the LLDC on four others cases about who should pick up the bill for a series of costs including providing draught beer, televisions and hospitality staff.

The LLDC defended the decision not to reinstate the honours board with a spokesman saying: “We are more than willing to rent advertising space to West Ham for the display of the club’s honours. However, there are some unpaid bills which need to be settled before we will enter into a new deal for the 2018-19 season.

“The club already has a very good deal to use the London Stadium and it is only right and fair that it should pay to use additional assets in the venue.”

Brady has also given the LLDC 14 days to accept an offer for the club to pick up the costs of providing a new cover for the running track in claret and blue rather than green. As previously revealed by The Times, the LLDC had wanted it to be only blue.

Brady stated in an open letter to the owners: “We offer to pay for its installation and its maintenance, as well as its removal and storage. All in all, I estimate that this offer is worth more than £380,000 in savings to E20 Stadium LLP. You may accept this offer within 14 days and I hope that you do."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angry-karren-brady-accuses-stadium-owners-of-holding-west-ham-to-ransom-over-honours-board-8vp3bntn9

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So this might actually happen...looks nuts :D

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The company behind proposals to bring a new music venue to Stratford has completed a second public consultation into the plans. Madison Square Garden (MSG) Company hopes to submit a planning application to Newham Council before Christmas for the London Sphere.

Residents were invited to see the latest plans which, if approved, will sit over a five-acre site on the former Olympic coach park.

The American sports and entertainment business already owns some of the world’s largest attractions and sports teams, including the New York Knicks, the Chicago Theatre and Madison Square Garden.

Architects Populous, the company behind the London Stadium and The O2 Arena, has designed the 90m high sphere.

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk//news/second-public-consultation-into-music-venue-in-stratford-ends-1-5730880?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

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They've started construction on the Las Vegas one - probably a good test case.  With all the other arenas in London (and Vegas now) I'm wondering if there is enough concerts/sports to share around.  It looks like a great venue to have a Cirque Du Soleil style show based in.

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A nice touch...

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A popular walkway in Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park is to be named in memory of the former Culture Secretary Baroness Tessa Jowell.

Tessa, who died last May, played a major role in securing the 2012 Olympics and Paralympics for London.

The route to be named in honour of the much-loved former MP runs through the Pleasure Gardens in the south of Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, starting at the Orbit and passing along the waterways to Carpenters Lock in the centre of the park.

The tree-lined promenade, hung with lanterns, was originally used as the main pedestrian plaza during the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/olympic-park-walkway-named-after-tessa-jowell

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Shrouds of the Somme

Tens of thousands of shrouded figures are being laid out at London's Olympic Park to mark the centenary of the end of World War One.

Each handmade 12-inch model represents one of the 72,396 British Commonwealth serviceman killed at the Somme with no known grave.

The figures go on public display at Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park from Thursday to commemorate the centenary of Armistice Day.

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Spotted on another forum...Layout for the rounders matches next Summer...

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That is a terrible layout for baseball, but they've clearly tried to maximize the experience for premium fans behind home plate.

I don't think baseball will translate very well for British sports fans. And I don't mean the rules of the game. Baseball's sporting culture is a weird hybrid of a working class supported sport like football and a casual, high-minded sport like cricket or tennis. It isn't a sport popular with the upper class, yet fans are supposed to be polite and quiet while snacking and chatting or reading a book in between the sparse moments of quasi-action. Also I don't think baseball would be fun in any country without beer; does the Olympic stadium allow beer sales?

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Ooh!

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London Olympic park in line to host biggest event since 2012

London is being lined up to host the new multi-sport 2026 European Championships in what would be the biggest combined use of the Olympic Park stadium and venues since the 2012 Games.

Talks have already taken place about London hosting the championships which would involve athletics, cycling, swimming, diving, rowing, triathlon and gymnastics all taking place in London 2012 venues.

The inaugural multi-sport European Championships in 2018 was split across two cities, Berlin and Glasgow, but organisers are looking for single cities to host 2022 — which is expected to be Munich — and 2026.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-olympic-park-in-line-to-host-biggest-event-since-2012-h2kltmdf3?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1553534255

 

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London Stadium being transformed for baseball (Yankess v Red Sox)

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Converting the stadium from soccer to baseball will not be easy. Planning has gone on for years, and the logistics are staggering.

The work begins Thursday and will take 21 days.

Workers will add 345 tons of dirt imported from the US, and artificial turf, imported from France, will be used for the first time in Yankees-Red Sox history.

Natural grass had been grown in the north of England, but organizers decided that making the playing field reusable for the scheduled Cubs-Cardinals games in 2020 and weather concerns made artificial turf a better option.

When officials realized that the iconic triangular floodlights of London Stadium were within easy reach of Yankee and Red Sox sluggers, they didn’t panic. They lowered one of the floodlights, and a pitching machine fired fastballs at a variety of different protective covers.

“It turned out that old-fashioned chicken wire worked the best,” said Kelhem Salter, MLB’s director of growth and strategy.

It won’t be cozy like Fenway — foul territory is more like Oakland Coliseum — but the sightlines are good and the seats are comfortable. The dimensions are 385 feet to center with a 16-foot wall, and 330 feet down the lines.

Under the stands, new, larger clubhouses of equal size will be constructed for the teams on the indoor running tracks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/06/05/here-what-awaits-red-sox-and-their-fans-when-they-play-ball-london/p0d9FXpo2yznxn0lugIFkO/story.html?event=event25

 

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Caught this screen shot:

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