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10 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Any danger to Stepanova not an IOC issue: Bach

Does Bach actually try hard to be such an arsehole?

His entire attitude regarding the Russian state doping issue has been dishonourable and callous - then again, there's a reason why most of us Germans were't exactly thrilled about one of our own being elevated to the IOC presidency: we already knew Bach to have a fairly lousy record as an NOC President, an apparatchik more interested in spinning unfavourable events his way than actually having genuine interest in effecting real, comprehensive and deep change within the Olympic Movement. His shady connections to former Adidas doyen Horst Dassler, his personal appointment to the Athletes Commission by then-President Juan Antonio Samaranch (which he rewarded by unshakeable loyalty to Samaranch, even at the height of the Salt Lake scandal) and his sponsorship of Kim Un Yong (a corrupt South Korean businessman running against Jacques Rogge, essentially as the anti-reform candidate) should have already sent warning signals to anyone concerned about sincere reform efforts in the post-Samaranch era.

Bach's stance concerning doping has been riddled with inconsistencies, especially on the legal side of things: He has consistently battled any ban, based on a widely (especially by experts and lawyers actually practicing sports law internationally, including Germany) discredited concept of individual rights for athletes. Thus, he even opposed and prevented a comparatively modest automatic 2-year exclusion of doped athlletes from the Olympic Games. He has also been accused of (rather convincingly, in my eyes) of deep corporate ties with Siemens (including being a well-paid consultant for special projects) and essentially helping along their bid for the right to help with technical equipment for the Beijing metro, as well as the luggage trolley system at its international airport. In addition, Siemens essentially provided the entire infrastructure for Sochi's mass transit system in 2014. Just sayin'...

Finally, despite Germany being a consistently excellent performer at Olympic Games, one of the world's five leading economies, a country with an excellent infrastructure and actual depth in sports, Mr Bach managed to contribute to losses in six (often shambolic) attempts at winning the Olympic Games - the dreadful Leipzig 2012 one only one of them. Reform? Compassion? Actual understanding of athletes? Don't expect that from a man who, yes, was once a gold medallist in Montréal 1976 and might have started out a decent person - but who has certainly proven over four decades that he is just more of the same.

 

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^^ The man lives on another planet. Here's some more gems from THE SAME press conference:

 

 

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Maybe now that his mate Isinbayeva is an IOC member as part of the athletes' commission, we already know who his crown prince(ss) will be one day.

Keeping traditions alive.

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Can we possibly "crown" Thomas Bach the major douchebag of these Olympic Games? ;)

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2 hours ago, StefanMUC said:

Maybe now that his mate Isinbayeva is an IOC member as part of the athletes' commission, we already know who his crown prince(ss) will be one day.

Keeping traditions alive.

Although now that I think of it, he's closely followed by Isinbayeva. She used to be someone whose performances as an athlete I used to respect, as well as her rapport with the public - however, her hyper-nationalistic, unreflective and paranoic statements about the entire doping affair, her cheerleading for President Putin and her general intransigence & lack of any remorse for the state doping affair have made her Exhibit A for what's wrong with the Olympic Games these days.

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The Germans are never happy when one of their own leads an international organisation.

Look at Ratzinger for instance. :)

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2 hours ago, hektor said:

The Germans are never happy when one of their own leads an international organisation.

Look at Ratzinger for instance. :)

Hahaha, good one! ;)

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9 hours ago, plusbrilliantsexploits said:

Although now that I think of it, he's closely followed by Isinbayeva. She used to be someone whose performances as an athlete I used to respect, as well as her rapport with the public - however, her hyper-nationalistic, unreflective and paranoic statements about the entire doping affair, her cheerleading for President Putin and her general intransigence & lack of any remorse for the state doping affair have made her Exhibit A for what's wrong with the Olympic Games these days.

Could have written it word-for-word myself. I'd just have added her ignorant anti-gay comments before Sochi.

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The CAS just confirmed that the Russian delegation will NOT go to the Rio Paralympics: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/disability-sport/37165427

Looks like good old Tom's spiel about "individual athlete rights" has just been rejected by the highest arbitrary body in sport. So much for Dr Bach's mastery of sports law, then...

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The IPC's decision to ban the entire Russian team "was proportionate in the circumstances", according to the Cas panel, which said it would publish the full grounds for its decision later.

That's the best five words I've read on this.

The IOC completely ignored the seriousness of this. The IPC hasn't and have had their decision ratified.

Well done to them and to CAS.

IOC and Bach, hang your heads.

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It added that the Russian Paralympic Committee did not file any evidence contradicting the facts put forward by the IPC.

So all this bluster about Western Conspiracies and they couldn't even provide evidence when they had a chance to defend themselves. :lol:

Amazing!

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Too bad this came two days after the world stopped paying attention.

I'd have loved to see Bach being exposed during "his" Games.

But good news anyway.

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I'm not sure about that Stefan. If the decision was made during the Games people wouldn't notice it with all the sport going on, or it'd quickly get overtaken by other things. Instead, it's been made on a quiet Tuesday with no other sports stories and - certainly here anyway - it's near the top of the BBC Sport website. Anyone who cares will see this today, whereas during the Games they might've missed it with everything else going on.

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On August 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Rob. said:

If the decision was made during the Games people wouldn't notice it with all the sport going on, or it'd quickly get overtaken by other things. 

Yeah, like Ryan Lochte's dumb antics! :lol:

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The ban's been extended to Pyeongchang now! Woooooo!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/russia-now-banned-from-2018-paralympic-winter-games/7796888

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International Paralympic Committee bans Russia from Pyeongchang Winter Games over doping

Russia, already suspended from next month's Rio Paralympics, has also been banned for the winter edition in Pyeongchang, South Korea in 2018 because of a state-sponsored sports doping program.

The Russian Paralympic Committee (RPC) announced the latest punishment handed out by the International Paralympic Committee (IPC) on Tuesday (AEST).

"The decision taken by the IPC, upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) regarding Russian Paralympians being excluded from the 2016 Paralympic Games in Rio de Janeiro, has also been extended to include the Winter Games in 2018 in Pyeongchang," the RPC said on its website.

Last week the Lausanne-based CAS, sport's highest tribunal, rejected an RPC appeal against the Rio ban.

The decision to exclude Russia's team means at least 260 competitors from the country are now set to miss the September 7-18 Paralympics.

The decision to exclude Russia's team means at least 260 competitors from the country are now set to miss the September 7-18 Paralympics.

Russia has appealed against the CAS ruling to the Swiss Federal Court and a result is expected soon.

The Federal Court can only overturn the CAS decision on the basis of a procedural mistake and not on the merits of the case.

The IPC went further than the International Olympic Committee (IOC), which stopped short of a blanket ban on Russia at this month's Rio Olympics and left the decision instead in the hands of international sports federations.

Last week Russian President Vladimir Putin called the Paralympic ban cynical and immoral but also said Moscow acknowledged mistakes it had made in tackling sports doping.

The country's track and field team was also excluded from the Olympics due to the sports doping program.

Putin said the decision to bar Russian athletes, including those who had not tested positive for any banned substances, was a vivid manifestation "of how the humanistic foundations of sport and Olympism are shamelessly flouted by politics".

"The decision to disqualify our Paralympic team is outside the law, outside morality and outside humanity," he added.

"It is simply cynical to vent one's anger on those for whom sport has become the meaning of their life ... I even feel pity for those taking such decisions because they must well understand that it is so demeaning for them."

The whole dispute centres on a World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) report that found the Russian government and the FSB security service had, over years, covered up hundreds of doping cases across the majority of Olympic sports and Paralympic events.

Although not widely followed or celebrated in Russia, where rights campaigners say many disabled people are marginalised by regressive social attitudes and inadequate state support, the country's para-athletes are some of the best in the world.

Their team topped the medal table at the 2014 Winter Paralympics in the Russian city of Sochi after taking second place behind China at London 2012.

 

On the bad side, whistleblowers may get the short end of the stick.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-rio-russia-stepanova-idUSKCN10Q1VP

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Russia's Stepanova: 'No accident' if something happens to me

By Jack Stubbs | RIO DE JANEIRO | REUTERS

The Russian runner who helped expose a system of state-backed doping in her country says she fears for her life and has been forced to move after hackers tried to find her location.

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) said on Saturday Yulia Stepanova's online doping management account had been illegally accessed. The doping scandal she lifted the lid on has rocked sport and cost over 100 Russians their place at the Rio Games.

Stepanova has been in hiding in the United States with her husband Vitaly, a former Russian anti-doping official, after giving evidence that the Russian government for years facilitated widespread cheating across nearly all Olympic sports.

Speaking to journalists on a video conference call just days before the 800 meters final in Rio, which she has been barred from running in following the suspension of Russian track-and-field from international competition, Stepanova said she had moved her family to another location after the hack.

"The only reason somebody would hack an ADAMS account is to find out your exact location," she said. "We decided it was safer to relocate.

"If something happens to us then you should know that it is not an accident."

All athletes have to enter their details into WADA's Anti-Doping Administration and Management System (ADAMS) and register a time and location each day where they can be reached by doping testers for an out-of-competition test.

Stepanova and her husband have repeatedly raised concerns about their safety in light of the doping scandal they helped ignite and criticized the International Olympic Committee for not doing more to support whistleblowers.

Vitaly Stepanov said he did not know who had hacked his wife's account but said the couple were being watched by Russian authorities.

After she initially fled Russia for Germany, Russian sports officials said they did not know about any threats against Stepanova or her husband that could have compelled them to seek refuge abroad. .....

If you think THAT'S bad, well... the IOC stoops to the lowest possible level it could go. (Bottom tweet)

 

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I guess Russia kinda got their revenge for the Doping thing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-37352326

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Russian hackers leak Rio athletes' files

The World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has condemned Russian hackers for leaking confidential medical files of US Olympic athletes.

Athletes affected include tennis player Serena Williams and gymnast Simone Biles.

A hacking group calling itself "Fancy Bears" claimed responsibility.

Wada said the cyber attacks were an attempt to undermine the global anti-doping system.

Russia's track and field team were banned from the Rio Olympics over an alleged state-backed doping programme.

 

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11 minutes ago, Ikarus360 said:

I guess Russia kinda got their revenge for the Doping thing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-37352326

 

Not really. These exemptions are given to athletes all the time. Interesting that they failed to leak the names of the other high-profile athletes who have also received them.

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As punishment all the useless Russian twats from the Russian women's gumnastics team, especially resting bitchface Aliya Mustafina, should be stripped of their medals!

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Attempts to smear clean athletes and leaking confidential medial records now. This is getting beyond a joke.

These vodka-swilling twonks need a long ban. It's getting beyond ridiculous how much damage one country is doing to international sport.

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4 hours ago, Rob. said:

Attempts to smear clean athletes and leaking confidential medial records now. This is getting beyond a joke.

These vodka-swilling twonks need a long ban. It's getting beyond ridiculous how much damage one country is doing to international sport.

Exactly. I wonder what newly elected IOC athletes' rep Yelena I. has to say to defend athletes' rights there, for example.

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Nothing will change as long as Bach is in power, and tbh Rogge also turned the blind eye on Russia a lot of times. Unlike Craven they only care for money. Which is why I hope he's replaced soon before he does more damage to the Olympic movement. 

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1 hour ago, Ikarus360 said:

Nothing will change as long as Bach is in power, and tbh Rogge also turned the blind eye on Russia a lot of times. Unlike Craven they only care for money. Which is why I hope he's replaced soon before he does more damage to the Olympic movement. 

But the question is who can change the IOC knowing that everyone is just like Bach in the IOC right now?

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I think one of the biggest issues is the tenure of IOC membership. Often times the president is a figurehead for a much larger group of power players. A number of which are gone (Diack, Cinquanta, Gosper). The number of Europeans is falling.

A few structural changes I think would greatly benefit the IOC.

Membership should be:

NOC president's from all countries that have hosted the Olympic Games. 23

Athlete representatives elected at the previous 5 Olympics. 4 per addition. 20

IF presidents. I believe there are 35 IFs currently represented in competition

30 at large members, that have to be either a former athlete or current NOC/IF head not represented in the above

the 5 continental OCs and the president of the AOC, AWIF and ASIF. 

So at most, the membership would be consisting currently of 106 members.

All members can only serve for a maximum of 10 years. President and VPs can only serve for 4 years. If any person is entitled to serve as an IOC member, but serves in that entitlement for more then 10 years the federation/NOC/sports associate forfeits the right to be represented until a new leader is elected. Thus creating downward pressure so that we cannot have any more Diack/Cinquanta/Blatter's.

The quick turn-over would force the IOC to employ professionals, bound by Swiss law to negotiate television and sponsorship contracts.

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