France 2023 Rugby World Cup

[rogerdown]

• RWC 2023 host to be selected in May 2017

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Confirmed Bids:

Ireland

South Africa

Italy

France

After Japan 2019 are we likely to see a safer host (traditional rugby country) before possibly the USA in 2027?

Edited August 26, 2023 by Sir Rols

[mattygs]

As much as I would like Italy to his the World Cup soon, this needs to go to South Africa.

[LatinXTC]

South Africa should have gotten it much sooner during 2015 or 2019, but I think they are the favorites for 2023. If the US doesn't run for the next world cup I'd like to see SA get it.

[Alexjc]

This will be South Africa's if they want it - MOST LIKELY. (and a return to the Southern Hemisphere on cycle).

Interesting the IRB isn't "Twin Bidding" again with 2027 alongside. THAT would've made a USA v Italy v Ireland battle interesting.

[mattygs]

Yup, this is probably the one sports event in the world where a north south rotation is completely appropriate.

[Alexjc]

OK

Durban has had it's CWGs passport stamped for 2022.

How will this affect the overall South Africa bid for the 2023 RWC?

Personally I can't see anything wrong with the CWGs and RWC close together. In fact it would be a benefit to the growing nation to have global sporting events in a cluster. My own opinion though.

The rest of the world may think differently with Ireland wanting to give it a go or the likes of USA and Argentina thinking why not?

Does CWG22 diminish South Africa's already great chances to host 2023?

[dysan1]

I can't see this not going to South Africa. After being slapped in the face for both 2015 and 2019, to keep ignoring SA when the UK seems to constantly get it would not be a good move for stability in the management of world rugby

Let a USA or Argentina try follow in 2027

[LatinXTC]

OK

Durban has had it's CWGs passport stamped for 2022.

How will this affect the overall South Africa bid for the 2023 RWC?

Personally I can't see anything wrong with the CWGs and RWC close together. In fact it would be a benefit to the growing nation to have global sporting events in a cluster. My own opinion though.

The rest of the world may think differently with Ireland wanting to give it a go or the likes of USA and Argentina thinking why not?

Does CWG22 diminish South Africa's already great chances to host 2023?

Why would this affect SA at all when I don't believe they have to build any new stadiums at all? They have the existing stadiums from the 2010 WC still in place and easily converted into a rugby stadium. And the CWG is only focused on one city rather than the whole nation, so that should be little to no interference. Hell if Japan gets stripped of their right to host the RWC, South Africa should come in and take over for them, because I think most people think they were royally screwed on that one.

[Alexjc]

Yeah don't think Japan is gonna lose 2019.

[rogerdown]

One thing that won't be a factor will be timezones, all four bids within the lucrative european timezone.

Last week Irish fans packed out Wembley to create a world record RWC crowd.

France should be ruled out imo, as they hosted it so recently. Ireland would sort if just be a smaller version of England's World Cup but would be very accessible to the UK and the event totally take over the Irish nation. I think Cardiff or somewhere else would certainly be added to Ireland's potential RWC, maybe even Italy would get a role. A group and a QF for example.

South Africa obviously has the venues and a love of rugby.

Italy, rugby isn't so popular. That's one reason to go there, spread the gospel etc but also a slight risk.

This will be South Africa's if they want it - MOST LIKELY. (and a return to the Southern Hemisphere on cycle).

Interesting the IRB isn't "Twin Bidding" again with 2027 alongside. THAT would've made a USA v Italy v Ireland battle interesting.

Yeah, would have been. Will be interesting to see if USA try for 2027. Could be a crazy time with the US maybe hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup and an Olympics around then too.

[Alexjc]

One thing that won't be a factor will be timezones, all four bids within the lucrative european timezone.

Last week Irish fans packed out Wembley to create a world record RWC crowd.

France should be ruled out imo, as they hosted it so recently. Ireland would sort if just be a smaller version of England's World Cup but would be very accessible to the UK and the event totally take over the Irish nation. I think Cardiff or somewhere else would certainly be added to Ireland's potential RWC, maybe even Italy would get a role. A group and a QF for example.

South Africa obviously has the venues and a love of rugby.

Italy, rugby isn't so popular. That's one reason to go there, spread the gospel etc but also a slight risk.

Yeah, would have been. Will be interesting to see if USA try for 2027. Could be a crazy time with the US maybe hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup and an Olympics around then too.

World Rugby (IRB) are trying to move away from Multi-Nation hosting.

This is the first time a "home nation" has sort of hosted alone this tournament (Millenium stadium aside).

If Ireland wanted to host, it could on the proviso that they would be allowed to use Murryfield as an example of one extra.

In the end it's all about revenue and lucky for England, they have very large stadia to call on. New Zealand got away with it as the country was willing to subsidise some of the costs. Not all nations would be happy to do this.

[Alexjc]

First of the Pool B clashes just ended in Milton Keynes...

JAPAN 26 - Samoa 5...

What a performance by the Brave Blossoms! They may not make it to the Quarters but at least they are all but assured a genuine qualification to 2019 without having to put up with "free entry as Hosts" banter for the next four years.

Samoa Rugby is in trouble, and has been for some time...as shown, most of it's finest talent gets swiped by cash flushed unions and leaves the national side gutterted. World Rugby needs to look at this.

Next match, battle for top of the B.

Scotland v South Africa.

[Alexjc]

SPANNER IN THE WORKS...

South Africa's bid at hosting the 2023 RWC has hit an unusual snag.

The South African government has put a ban on SARU amongst other sports bodies from bidding for international events. This coming about due to a lack of more intense integration of black players in the sport. The SA government has told SARU for over a decade to accelerate an integration program, especially for youth, in poorer areas to allow the formally Whites only sport to grow. The ban is for a minimum of one year but can be extended indefinitely. Next year bids for 2023 need to be confirmed to World Rugby (IRB) in Dublin.

It was strongly believed that a South African bid stood the strongest chance at being host as the natural cycle would see the Southern hemisphere have a turn.

A no SA bid could see Argentina and or Australia possibly front up to take on an Ireland bid.

[LatinXTC]

I don't think that problem exists in rugby sevens. At least half of their players are black, or mixed.

[LatinXTC]

Was speaking about the national Springbocks team that plays in the sevens series every year.

[arwebb]

Ireland or Italy for me. New frontiers, but confident they would pull it off. South Africa would be next choice.

[micheal_warren]

I would love the World Cup to go to Ireland or Italy. South Africa will probably be a favourite to win though. 

[yoshi]

Good set of bids that he IRB will be happy with. France is surely a total non-starter having only had it 16 years earlier. SA - I know they're a power but why are they favourite? They've had it before, plus it would mean 2 WCs in a row outside the 6 Nations which has never happened. I would love to see Ireland win it, but with the bigger venues & potential to accelerate their development, I can't see past Italy at all. 

[Scotguy]

I think Italy will be the frontrunner here, especially if Rome ditches its 2024 Olympics bid.

They have the geographical location, the infrastructure, the stadia, the timezone and the potential of spreading the game further in the country.

I hate the whole South Africa deserves it.....perhaps they will beg the IRB just like NZ did for 2011

[Sir Rols]

Otherwise, you'd think they'd be frontrunners, but I just wonder how successful the South African bid will be if they don't have government support: South Africa defy Government ban to submit bid to host 2023 Rugby World Cup

Whatever, I think I'd be happiest with either Italy or Ireland. What's Ireland's plans - are they planning on sharing games with the other home nations?

[Scotguy]

http://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland2023/venues/

This suggests that they plan to go it alone...

It also helps their bid that they are hosting the 2017 Womens World Cup plus the IRB is headqurtered in Dublin

[yoshi]

Ireland may want to do it alone, but if I was them & serious about winning, I'd at least include the possibility of using the Millennium Stadium. The IRB love their 8-yearly visit to Cardiff, & would find it hard to pass up. Offering that chance could be a big vote-winner. 

[Alexjc]

Ireland goes for it alone, perhaps Northern Ireland helping.

I'm over this giving games to "Home Unions" to "help the host" out. 2015 did have a compromise in using Millennium Stadium but not allowing Wales to play at "Home".

If NZ can do it alone...there is now no excuse. Ireland can do this...

[TeamBlakeUSA]

We Only Have 7 Years From Today.

[yoshi]

Northern Ireland won't 'help', they are an integral part. Unlike everything else (I know...don't ask)  the Irish rugby union represents the whole island, not the republic. Northern Ireland's rugby is simply as 'Ulster', a province of Ireland just as Munster etc are. I'd expect them to certainly use Belfast, & possibly even a new stadium in Derry/Londonderry if they're pushing the boat out.