phandrosis Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I found this comic on twitter today.
Ikarus360 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 The majority of comments from japanese i've read in twitter pretty much confirms my views that TOCOG is just made of senile old men with no connection with the current generations or anything. All these bad decisions they've done with both the logo and stadium only to back pedal with the tail between their legs are the proof they have no idea of what they're doing. I'm starting to feel some heads inside TOCOG must roll on the floor before we reach 2020. As for Sano, well, his carreer is as good as dead. Good for him. People who steal and lie get what they deserve in the end. I feel really disgusted for had actually somewhat liked the logo on the fist days.
phandrosis Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 The committee reflects the government in this case, and it's similar in a lot of countries. A bunch of old guys out of touch with the youth. Japan is largely elderly, but there is still a large youth population, which in Tokyo is actually increasing. With all those young folks online, they're able to call out the OC on things like the stadium and logo.
phandrosis Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 I found this website through Twitter today with a compilation of most of the user submitted emblems. I chose a few I could see as a good emblem for the games, but feel free to go through them on your own. http://togetter.com/li/863363?page=1 （It's similar to Beijing, but this one is really good) There's a few more "classical" ones as well.
woohooitsme83 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 Now that I look at the logos on the site, I wonder how the old logo would've affected the vibe of the games. Like, having it plastered everywhere probably won't make the games look like a happy sports gathering, but rather a wrist watch conference. Especially in contrast to the ones phandrosis posted.
mattygs Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 I do love how many other peoples suggestions are blatant plagiarised copies of various other logos (Osaka 2008 and Japan Endless Discovery logos seem to be quite popular), Thing is, many of these other suggestions are pretty, but they would fail as a piece of branding.
baron-pierreIV Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 I found this website through Twitter today with a compilation of most of the user submitted emblems. I chose a few I could see as a good emblem for the games, but feel free to go through them on your own. http://togetter.com/li/863363?page=1 The first one, the little petal things ...I think Paris 2024 has appropriated that. See the little petals on the wristbands they are selling. The second one has nice colors but I guess an orchid (Singapore's logo already)? A squat Japanese runner (so Barcelona, Sydney, Beijing) or an electric fan? Now, that's original!!
phandrosis Posted September 5, 2015 Report Posted September 5, 2015 I do love how many other peoples suggestions are blatant plagiarised copies of various other logos (Osaka 2008 and Japan Endless Discovery logos seem to be quite popular), Thing is, many of these other suggestions are pretty, but they would fail as a piece of branding. The reason that a lot of these are catching some attention online is that the elements in the Osaka and Japan Endless Discovery logos seems to be what a large part of the population wants to see. The hinomaru, the cherry blossom, Mt. Fuji, the aspects of Japan the world is already familiar with seems to be what many people want to continue using for the games.
Palette86 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 Masuzoe won’t use items with scrapped emblems Tokyo Gov. Yoichi Masuzoe has backed away from saying he would use paper bags and business cards featuring the scrapped 2020 Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic emblems out of concern that doing so could affect a lawsuit against the International Olympic Committee. The lawsuit has been filed by a Belgian designer who wants the IOC to refrain from using the Tokyo Olympic emblem. Despite the decision to scrap the emblems, which were unveiled in July, Masuzoe said he would continue using bags and business cards featuring them as it would be wasteful not to. But he backed away from the earlier comments during a news conference on Friday. Masuzoe and the Tokyo Organizing Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games held a discussion and concluded that they should refrain from doing anything that may adversely affect the lawsuit — even if only slightly. “It’s better not to use the emblems that created a bad impression. This is the predominant way of thinking,” Masuzoe said. The Tokyo metropolitan government has already received about 4,000 paper bags printed with the emblems at a cost of ¥370,000, while many of the government’s employees have printed business cards featuring them. The Belgian designer told The Yomiuri Shimbun on Thursday that he does not want the metropolitan government to use the bags and business cards featuring the scrapped designs. ¥57 million spent The Olympic organizing committee has spent at least ¥57 million on activities related to the scrapped emblems, it has been learned. About ¥9 million was spent on expenses for inviting design proposals; about ¥47 million for trademark searches and registration; and about ¥1 million for posters and business cards of committee members featuring the emblems. License plates likely delayed In the wake of the withdrawal of the emblems for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics, transport minister Akihiro Ota indicated on Friday the issuance of license plates for automobiles to commemorate the Games would likely be postponed. The Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism Ministry had previously planned to start issuing the commemorative license plates by the end of this fiscal year. But a delay is likely because the design of the license plates will include the event’s emblems. News source:The Japan News Date:September 5,2015 Link to this article:http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002404616
phandrosis Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 Maybe they'll line trash cans with them. They are paper so they'll decompose. This just came to mind. The original emblem only lasted for 40 days. I didn't realize how short that is until now.
phandrosis Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 Also I just found this in Dezeen. If it's more than just conspiracy, there is a serious problem here that's only just beginning to be addressed. This is no longer just a problem about plagiarism. Now, on the internet, search results for Sano Kenjiro was deleted drastically. So it is impossible to write the name of Sano Kenji and some other related person in many forums. That is the suppression of speech. What is worse, there is a possibility that the government and the mass media have a part in this. Sano Kyuichiro, elder brother of Kenjiro, is the official in the of Ministry of Economy. Also, Sano Soichiro, one of his relatives, is president of JSC, which relates to issues of National Stadium. There is a suspicion that advertising agencies are involved in this problem, which is influential with the media in Japan as well. It's not too much to say that Olympic logo has already been decided in secret. Sano Kenjiro is now keeping out of sight, not making an apology for those problems. Although many similar works were disclosed, he denied plagiarising. This is a reality. We cannot deal with the problem anymore in Japan. I want people all over the world to know this. http://www.dezeen.com/2015/09/01/tokyo-withdraws-2020-olympics-logo-plagiarism-allegations-kenjiro-sano/
baron-pierreIV Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 /\/\ That doesn't make too much sense. And now that the design has been removed, nobody will really care too much about Sano. He will probably have to repair his self-esteem first.
Faiyez Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 I don't really understand, either. Wouldn't it be amusing if they pulled a fast one and used the Sano logo for the games, anyway?
JMarkSnow2012 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 Also I just found this in Dezeen. If it's more than just conspiracy, there is a serious problem here that's only just beginning to be addressed. http://www.dezeen.com/2015/09/01/tokyo-withdraws-2020-olympics-logo-plagiarism-allegations-kenjiro-sano/ The text you quote is from the comments rather than the article- and it seems not to be true, unless the name of 佐野研二郎 is specifically being blocked in Japan. Certainly there are plenty of hits in a search from the UK, including a very substantial Wikipedia page (Google Translate link here).
woohooitsme83 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 ^the last ones look pretty nice, actually
from Tokyo Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Hi, I`m a newbie here from Tokyo. Let me up some info here regarding the logo scandal.
from Tokyo Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 2020 Tokyo Olympic emblem scandal Kenjiro Sano has got a brother in the top bureaucrat. Kyuichiro Sano He`s in here. http://nes.jane.or.jp/en/speaker It was all a fixed competition. The competition cost 50 million USD but no one`s explaining where the money went. Since it`s taxpayer`s money, it`s a serious crime. This fixed match is just the small part of it. >there is a serious problem here that's only just beginning to be addressed. Yes, indeed. Our "Arab Spring" has just started. This Olympic can be very interesting to you too.
TorchbearerSydney Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 If you were wondering... My god it was an ugly SOG logo....the Para logo was marginally better....
phandrosis Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 the Para logo was marginally better.... I always thought that too. The Paralympic logo always seemed a little more balanced, I suppose you could say.
Faiyez Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 >there is a serious problem here that's only just beginning to be addressed. Yes, indeed. Our "Arab Spring" has just started. That can't be the right analogy, lol.
StefanMUC Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 An "Arab Spring" like upheaval in East Asia...that would be the IOC's wet dream when thinking about the next few Olympics :-)
baron-pierreIV Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 If you were wondering... It's really a very STIFF, rigid logo. No dynamism and all it says is "Tokyo" but NOT a whole plethora of images of an Olympics, once again set in Japan.
phandrosis Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 News direct from TOCOG: It is essential that a transparent process to select the new Games emblems is set in motion as quickly as possible, and that the new emblems receive the support of the general public. Accordingly, the Tokyo 2020 Organising Committee has today announced plans for the establishment of a preliminary committee to initiate a Tokyo 2020 Emblems Selection Committee (provisional name).A chairperson will be appointed to head the preliminary committee. Following the addition of further members, the preliminary committee will select the membership of the Tokyo 2020 Emblems Selection Committee, examine the issues surrounding the withdrawal of the previous Games emblems, and based on its findings will formulate a basic policy for the selection of new Tokyo 2020 Games emblems.Tokyo 2020 will keep posting information regarding the selection of the new Games emblems on its website. http://www.tokyo2020.jp/en/news/index.php?mode=page&id=1454
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