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I don't think the results were manipulated, they may have been manecured to prop Beijing as the safe alternative it has now become, but between Beijing and Almaty I think the bids themselves are more or less equal, maybe Almaty is a bit stronger given its number of existing venues.

Then how can you say that the person who keeps saying "manipulated" - "knows their sh!t" when 'manipulated' & 'manicured' aren't the same thing. One means downright deceit, while the latter implies that there's potential if you just do some cosmetic updates. In that sense, there's no "educated debate" going on (which I didn't know whether to laugh or to barf when I read that), just the same old silly & obnoxious 'manipulated' argument over & over.

Like you say though, this race is really between China vs. Kazakhstan and all I can say is that it's unfortunate for Almaty that they are not in China.

This has been the crux of the matter for over a year now (between Beijing & Almaty) though. Hence the incessant 'educated debates' around here when it comes to this topic. So it's not like this aspect is all of the sudden some sort of new revelation.

Even you have gone back & forth between the two cities over the last year (remember when Quaker had to show you a map of where Kazahkstan was located in relation to China when you were making the 'argument' of their location in its "relative proximity" to Europe & where that 'aspect' would somehow favor Almaty)? So it's rather disingenuous of you now to act like Beijing was always so obvious to you.

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So you're posting again. Seems you just want to ignore certain posts and say you're sitting them out but chime back in again and reference me whenever you see fit.

Also glad to see you're now admitting that the IOC has done some "cosmetic updating" on the results. Whatever you want to call it I guess...

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You're calling it "manipulated" & bernham's calling it "manicured". That's not "admitting" anything. What's with you with this obscessive urge of searching for vindication in wanting people to "admit" things when there's nothing to admit.

Simply bcuz I would like to ignore your posts now (bcuz they're nothing but repetitive on this topic at this point) doesn't mean that I can't "chime in" on OTHER people's post when it comes to the total double-standards & hypocrisy on these boards a lot of the time. Bernham accusing Tony of what he's seemingly doing to you is nothing short of what you've done to me INCESSANTLY on these boards before. And even your last post is nothing shy of that, either.

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Then how can you say that the person who keeps saying "manipulated" - "knows their sh!t" when 'manipulated' & 'manicured' aren't the same thing. One means downright deceit, while the latter implies that there's potential if you just do some cosmetic updates. In that sense, there's no "educated debate" going on (which I didn't know whether to laugh or to barf when I read that), just the same old silly & obnoxious 'manipulated' argument over & over.

This has been the crux of the matter for over a year now (between Beijing & Almaty) though. Hence the incessant 'educated debates' around here when it comes to this topic. So it's not like this aspect is all of the sudden some sort of new revelation.

Even you have gone back & forth between the two cities over the last year (remember when Quaker had to show you a map of where Kazahkstan was located in relation to China when you were making the 'argument' of their location in its "relative proximity" to Europe & where that 'aspect' would somehow favor Almaty)? So it's rather disingenuous of you now to act like Beijing was always so obvious to you.

The argument I was making is that Darcy, despite saying things I may not fully agree with understands the point he is trying to make and in some cases has some solid facts to back it up. Like you say though, this argument has been beaten to death over and over again.

I have no idea what your talking about regarding the map thing, then again its been a crazy year and I'm not too active of a user. So unless you can correct my memory I would appreciate it if you did not insult me so harshly.

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The argument I was making is that Darcy, despite saying things I may not fully agree with understands the point he is trying to make and in some cases has some solid facts to back it up. Like you say though, this argument has been beaten to death over and over again.

I have no idea what your talking about regarding the map thing, then again its been a crazy year and I'm not too active of a user. So unless you can correct my memory I would appreciate it if you did not insult me so harshly.

Bernham, why do you have two accounts?

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The argument I was making is that Darcy, despite saying things I may not fully agree with understands the point he is trying to make and in some cases has some solid facts to back it up. Like you say though, this argument has been beaten to death over and over again.

I have no idea what your talking about regarding the map thing, then again its been a crazy year and I'm not too active of a user.

And what "point" is that exactly? Solid facts about "manipulation"? Lmfao! Okay. Care to cite exactly which ones?! Especially when some of us have countered those "solid facts" ad infinitum on here.

And right, you're "not too active of a user" but yet you still know that "this argument has been beaten to death over & over again". Strange.

So unless you can correct my memory I would appreciate it if you did not insult me so harshly.

Oh puhleeze. :rolleyes: And how is that exactly "harshly insulting" you. Considering how your friend Darcy does a fine better job in that category, I've gone rather light on you.

Why does everyone think I'm freaking Burnham?!

LOL

Hmm, interesting to see that these posts are only a minute apart from one another.

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And what "point" is that exactly? Solid facts about "manipulation"? Lmfao! Okay. Care to cite exactly which ones?! Especially when some of us have countered those "solid facts" ad infinitum on here.r.

Well for starters Darcy mentioned air quality. I'm not going to fight with you about this, because you're right it has been discussed ad infinitum.

And right, you're "not too active of a user" but yet you still know that "this argument has been beaten to death over & over again". Strange.

Just because I'm not an active participant in commenting I still read. All of the petty and stupid arguments these boards have are enough to turn anyone off for a while. It was not until recently that I began to get more involved because of Boston's selection and the bid comp.

Oh puhleeze. :rolleyes: And how is that exactly "harshly insulting" you. Considering how your friend Darcy does a fine better job in that category, I've gone rather light on you.

Both you and Darcy are snarky members.

Hmm, interesting to see that these posts are only a minute apart from one another.

I don't get the point you're trying to make with that last bit, could you elaborate more?

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Both you and Darcy are snarky members.

Yet darcy appears to be such a darling for you. But snarky pretty much goes for everyone on Gamesbids these days, including you, b.

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Yet darcy appears to be such a darling for you. But snarky pretty much goes for everyone on Gamesbids these days, including you, b.

No, I was telling Tony to shut up because like many people he is on my nerves and never contributes anything beneficial to any conversation he is in. I guess everyone here is snarky and in these past few comments I have had my moments and especially when I first came here, but I prefer the nickname BR if you're going to call me something.

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No, I was telling Tony to shut up because like many people he is on my nerves and never contributes anything beneficial to any conversation he is in. I guess everyone here is snarky and in these past few comments I have had my moments and especially when I first came here, but I prefer the nickname BR if you're going to call me something.

Sorry, that first sentence is supposed to say "Like many people here, he (Tony) has gotten on my nerves and feel that he never contributes anything beneficial to to any conversation he is in"

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The same could be said for your buddy over there. And that's what made me cringe when I initially read your post. But whatever, I digress. Netflix is more interesting than this right now.

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Oh my god FYI enough. 1000x you've said I'm digressing, I'm leaving, you never do. You ignore my posts for a day or so. Then respond to someone else, usually referencing me (today even, page 6, "the person", "darling" and page 7 "buddy of BR"). Then saying you have responded to all of my "nonsense" when you ignore my points.

If you're going to ignore the posts fine. But actually ignore and digress cause I'm sick of it.

I'll admit my posts are annoying and repeat some of the same things but you like to paint this picture that I constantly heckle you and you're all innocent. Take a look at this thread, you can't seem to leave me alone either.

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Heed your own advice, darcy! You're so "sick of it already" but yet you still "taunt, heckle & berate", hence your last post.

Like some people say that Tony has made these boards all about him, but when it comes to this particular topic, it becomes all about YOU & whatever absurd vindication you're in search off by wanting people to "admit" stuff when there's nothing to admit. And especially when you even admit of being annoying & repeating yourself. So what's the purpose of that then.

Again, if someone makes a comment in reference to one of your posts, then I'm FREE to comment on that particular post. You don't have to "drag yourself" into it if I'm responding to SOMEONE ELSE. It's that simple!

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http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/kazakh-senate-passes-gay-propaganda-bill260215

There goes any chance of them hosting the Olympics and Paralympics Games Kazakhstan the leader of the lower house also supports the bill. Can time just hurry up and for the IOC just give the games to Beijing China.

Kazakh Senate passes 'gay propaganda' bill

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I do know what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree with me, but don't have a go at me for disagreeing. Darcy, you are obsessed with me. You make a status about me, keep bringing my name up and keep quoting me. Stop!

BR2028, it's not me causing this trouble. People keep quoting me, I'm posting my on topic opinions.

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I do know what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree with me, but don't have a go at me for disagreeing. Darcy, you are obsessed with me. You make a status about me, keep bringing my name up and keep quoting me. Stop!

BR2028, it's not me causing this trouble. People keep quoting me, I'm posting my on topic opinions.

Calm down Mariah Carey.

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Oh my god FYI enough. 1000x you've said I'm digressing, I'm leaving, you never do. You ignore my posts for a day or so. Then respond to someone else, usually referencing me (today even, page 6, "the person", "darling" and page 7 "buddy of BR"). Then saying you have responded to all of my "nonsense" when you ignore my points.

If you're going to ignore the posts fine. But actually ignore and digress cause I'm sick of it.

I'll admit my posts are annoying and repeat some of the same things but you like to paint this picture that I constantly heckle you and you're all innocent. Take a look at this thread, you can't seem to leave me alone either.

Heed your own advice, darcy! You're so "sick of it already" but yet you still "taunt, heckle & berate", hence your last post.

Like some people say that Tony has made these boards all about him, but when it comes to this particular topic, it becomes all about YOU & whatever absurd vindication you're in search off by wanting people to "admit" stuff when there's nothing to admit. And especially when you even admit of being annoying & repeating yourself. So what's the purpose of that then.

Again, if someone makes a comment in reference to one of your posts, then I'm FREE to comment on that particular post. You don't have to "drag yourself" into it if I'm responding to SOMEONE ELSE. It's that simple!

I do know what I'm talking about. You are free to disagree with me, but don't have a go at me for disagreeing. Darcy, you are obsessed with me. You make a status about me, keep bringing my name up and keep quoting me. Stop!

BR2028, it's not me causing this trouble. People keep quoting me, I'm posting my on topic opinions.

Everyone: Calm...the hell....down! Reading these mini-feuds between you guys adds nothing to the discussion or any original insight - and it seriously drives people away. That said, I'm most inclined to side with FYI on this one, as he's not displaying a "he said...I said"/"teacher, teacher" type of attitude to this discussion.

The points made are simple: FYI, with quite a bit of empirical evidence behind him (that has been quoted ad nauseam around these parts) believes that Almaty cannot be taken seriously as a potential Olympic host. Darcy, with equal vehemence, attempts to make the case for Almaty's candidacy essentially having been hobbled from the start, courtesy alleged manipulation by IOC officials. When challenged to produce hard evidence for his assertion, Darcy failed to do so. From what I can tell, it quickly descended into a slugfest between three people: the original two debaters (FYI and Darcy), joined by increasingly random comments by TELA. To the outside observer, it all looks a bit self-indulgent, petty and irritating.

I can only recommend to everyone concerned to take a step back, leave this discussion (really, all salient arguments have been exchanged on the 2022 farce) - and participate elsewhere on this board with a more constructive attitude. I don't care who has what neurosis or who said what when and where. I don't give a ****, frankly. I just want people to discuss these issues with some level of maturity without turning it into some kind of jihad against whichever member of Gamesbids has just pissed them off.

Alright, and now I shall duck the proverbial bullets from those criticizing me for even bothering to write this post...

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The thing is, that this whole particular "debate" was 'calmed down' for a few months before it just started back up again. Perhaps my mistake was telling you in particular that you were just wasting your time, when first joining this topic, in trying to outline anything about the argument to darcy since it wouldn't had mattered one bit, since as you said, he just merely comes back with his vehement 'manipulation' mindset & hardly acknowledges any counterpoints. I should've just let you find that one out on your own.

But considering how many "feuds" that there are on Gamesbids nowadays (which also seems like your typical Facebook page these days TBH) this one by far isn't as bad as the other ones that are going around all over these boards. In particular the incessant Tony ones VS just about everyone else. I try to stay far, FAR away from those.

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Well, I sympathize FYI, especially as Darcy hasn't really backed any of his assertions up with hard evidence...The thing is that these "feuds" etc, regardless of who keeps them alive, only serve to reduce the quality of both the argument and the forums overall...That said, the threads à la repetitive Tony vs just about everyone else kinda annoy me as well.

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Darcy, with equal vehemence, attempts to make the case for Almaty's candidacy essentially having been hobbled from the start, courtesy alleged manipulation by IOC officials. When challenged to produce hard evidence for his assertion, Darcy failed to do so. From what I can tell, it quickly descended into a slugfest between three people: the original two debaters (FYI and Darcy), joined by increasingly random comments by TELA. To the outside observer, it all looks a bit self-indulgent, petty and irritating.

I guess you failed to read my post in reply to you in which I discussed in detail several aspects of the evaluation. :rolleyes:

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