Plausible Summer Bids

[AliciasBlade]

4 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

Manchester's 2002 Commonwealth Games Stadium is a great example of how a city like Toronto could approach the main stadium issue: 

Games mode - open ended with temporary seating to fit the track. 

Post Games - stadium 'completed' to enclose a soccer field. 

What about the Opening Ceremony?

[AliciasBlade]

And I just realized this slowly turned into a Toronto thread so whoops

[FYI]

4 hours ago, Australian Kiwi said:

But yes - LA2028 should be no barrier at all to Toronto hosting 2036.

No, but Europe would be a barrier. The continent has never gone more than 12 years without a Summer Olympics, & by 2036, that'd be another 12 years since their last summer hosting.

1 hour ago, Chris_Mex said:

2036 it's for europe/africa/middle east or india

2036 is Europe's to lose, unless of course, no reliable bids emerge from the continent. Though, India & the Middle East are out as long as the IOC's current July 15th-Aug. 31st time-frame is still being strictly enforced, since their weather is from conducive for a Summer Olympics during that time period.

As for Africa, let's be realistic here, shall we. Other than South Africa, the rest of the continent is simply a non-starter. Even Senegal can't keep up with the much smaller-league youth Olympics, so what more can really be expected, besides not much, from the real deal. And before you mention Egypt, they'd be nothing but a security nightmare, that would even make Ukraine appear to be a safer bet.

1 hour ago, AliciasBlade said:

Make that Anglo-Francophone since French is Canadas other official language.

That may be so, but English is Ontario's de-facto language. Plus, English & French are already the IOC's official languages, so that'd be nothing new there in that category.

[Australian Kiwi]

1 hour ago, AliciasBlade said:

What about the Opening Ceremony?

The new stadium? Sky Dome? 

[Australian Kiwi]

2 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Wouldn't toronto account for the 3rd anglo-cultural country hosting the olympics in a row, 4th if we take as a fact SLC will host 2030/2034 winter olympics?, I mean we already had 3 asian olympics in a row but at least there's bigger differences between chinese and japanese culture, than american and canadian culture. 2036 it's for europe/africa/middle east or india

This is all highly subjective but I would say Los Angeles and Toronto are as different as Tokyo and Beijing. 

TBH - as you say potential for a triple dose of USA/Australia/Canada that is the biggest hurdle. The handovers might start to look like the Commonwealth Games. 

[Chris_Mex]

2 minutes ago, FYI said:

No, but Europe would be a barrier. The continent has never gone more than 12 years without a Summer Olympics, & by 2036, that'd be another 12 years since their last summer hosting.

2036 is Europe's to lose, unless of course, no reliable bids emerge from the continent. Though, India & the Middle East are out as long as the IOC's current July 15th-Aug. 31st time-frame is still being strictly enforced, since their weather is from conducive for a Summer Olympics during that time period.

As for Africa, let's be realistic here, shall we. Other than South Africa, the rest of the continent is simply a non-starter. Even Senegal can't keep up with the much smaller-league youth Olympics, so what more can really be expected, besides not much, from the real deal. And before you mention Egypt, they'd be nothing but a security nightmare, that would even make Ukraine appear to be a safer bet.

That may be so, but English is Ontario's de-facto language. Plus, English & French are already the IOC's official languages, so that'd be nothing new there in that category.

Yeah the only "reliable" european bids for 2036 are istanbul (which would also be a security nightmare) or budapest (which may be a "safe" choice considering they're constantly hosting big events). For obvious reasons i'm taking out italy, germany, ukraine and russia (although a change in their government would make up for a "new open russia" games narrative) but no, not yet. and also the recent dismissal of the madrid's bid for the games makes me think if the IOC already has someone special in their mind, or if simply they don't want to adress those issues yet. Also IOC's constant "we're in talks with India" thing, reminds me so much to the way brisbane bid built up before the prefered bidding city status announcement. India is TOO big, they can find a city where the climate is OK and the pollution (which I may consider the serious issue with their bid) is not such a big problem. Also by that time india will be world's 2nd richest country so guess money won't really be an issue, unless it does.

[AliciasBlade]

20 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Yeah the only "reliable" european bids for 2036 are istanbul (which would also be a security nightmare) or budapest (which may be a "safe" choice considering they're constantly hosting big events). For obvious reasons i'm taking out italy, germany, ukraine and russia (although a change in their government would make up for a "new open russia" games narrative) but no, not yet. and also the recent dismissal of the madrid's bid for the games makes me think if the IOC already has someone special in their mind, or if simply they don't want to adress those issues yet. Also IOC's constant "we're in talks with India" thing, reminds me so much to the way brisbane bid built up before the prefered bidding city status announcement. India is TOO big, they can find a city where the climate is OK and the pollution (which I may consider the serious issue with their bid) is not such a big problem. Also by that time india will be world's 2nd richest country so guess money won't really be an issue, unless it does.

Don’t forget that Monsoon season is a thing in India.

[FYI]

6 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Yeah the only "reliable" european bids for 2036 are istanbul (which would also be a security nightmare) or budapest (which may be a "safe" choice considering they're constantly hosting big events).

That may be so, but as someone else here eloquently put it the other day, Istanbul would be the most ideal in the "basket of deplorables" candidates. lol

10 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

For obvious reasons i'm taking out italy, germany, ukraine and russia (although a change in their government would make up for a "new open russia" games narrative) but no, not yet. 

Why would Italy & Germany "obviously" be out? It's wayyy to early to tell that now. Milan 2026 winter should have no bearing on an Italian 2036 summer bid, especially now when the IOC is hungry for viable bids (especially in Europe). And Germany, especially the rhine-ruhr region, I can still see being at play here.

14 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

and also the recent dismissal of the madrid's bid for the games makes me think if the IOC already has someone special in their mind, or if simply they don't want to adress those issues yet.

The IOC (& actually more like JAS JR. from Barcelona) "dismissed" Madrid simply because they want to keep the Barcelona-Pyrenees 2030 winter bid still as an option on the table, since those Games have not been awarded yet. Once they are, & Barcelona was not the winner there, then I bet Madrid would be back in the 2036 conversation faster than the IOC can say Olympic Games.

18 minutes ago, Chris_Mex said:

Also IOC's constant "we're in talks with India" thing, reminds me so much to the way brisbane bid built up before the prefered bidding city status announcement. India is TOO big, they can find a city where the climate is OK and the pollution (which I may consider the serious issue with their bid) is not such a big problem. Also by that time india will be world's 2nd richest country so guess money won't really be an issue, unless it does.

IDK where you get this "constant" - we're in talks with India thing", since the IOC really hasn't acknowledge much about 2036. Those Games are still more than 14 years away, & again, the IOC still has to award 2030 beforehand. So I think they're much more preoccupied with that than with any other Games ATM.

And okay, India is "TOO big". But guess what? So was China when they bid & lost the first time around. India is probably inevitable to get an Olympics, but I still don't see it for 2036. Maybe sometime in the 2040's. Also think you're downplaying the weather issue. It's easy to say "they can find a city where the climate is OK..", etc. 

[FYI]

13 minutes ago, AliciasBlade said:

Don’t forget that Monsoon season is a thing in India.

Exactly. The 2010 Commonwealth Games still had concerns over monsoons. And those took place in October, not in July/Aug. like the Olympics.

[Chris_Mex]

7 hours ago, FYI said:

 

Why would Italy & Germany "obviously" be out? It's wayyy to early to tell that now. Milan 2026 winter should have no bearing on an Italian 2036 summer bid, especially now when the IOC is hungry for viable bids (especially in Europe). And Germany, especially the rhine-ruhr region, I can still see being at play here.

 

Ehmm you problably won't want germany to host the games in the centennial of WWII. Italy or japan may not be as bad, but germany would definitely be out

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Ehmm you problably won't want germany to host the games in the centennial of WWII. Italy or japan may not be as bad, but germany would definitely be out

I think you should educate yourself about WW2 timelines.

[AliciasBlade]

You either give 2036 to Germanys bad centennial, 60 years after Canadas financial disaster Olympics, go with the Brazil route with Egypt, India, Indonesia, or just pick Hungary. 

[FYI]

31 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

I think you should educate yourself about WW2 timelines.

And several other timelines while they're at it.

5 minutes ago, AliciasBlade said:

You either give 2036 to Germanys bad centennial, 

This is so overplayed & a very pessimistic view by those who paint it. Why not view a possible 2036 German Olympics with a positive light? Like look at how democratic & thriving a society Germany is now versus those German Games from a century ago? Especially when you compare it to their current authoritarian & destructive neighbor to the east. So no, Germany would "definitely" NOT be "out" for 2036. Way too early to make such a misinformed declaration. 

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, AliciasBlade said:

You either give 2036 to Germanys bad centennial, 60 years after Canadas financial disaster Olympics, go with the Brazil route with Egypt, India, Indonesia, or just pick Hungary. 

Pick Hungary, the country that yesterday re-elected Putin‘s man in the EU with an ever increasing majority…

I suppose a German „bad centennial“ might not be so bad in that comparison.

[Chris_Mex]

Really saying there's a non written rule about europe hosting every 3 editions, was a supposition made when europe was still the most powerfull region in the world. Nowaday its asia who should host every 3 editions (Australia is OCEANIA), for 2036 there'd had been 16 years without an asian games so make sense that olympics should be heading again to the good ol east, if you want a safe bid you may got Korea, China or Japan, if you want a risky bid you got India, middle east or Indonesia. Why going to the only continent where you got a dubbious perception of the event (europe), when you got a handful of bidding parties willing to host extravaganzas (asia)

[FYI]

You forget, though, that the IOC is still very much a *European* organization, & would just jump on any worthy European candidature. And after just having finished the Asia trio of 2018, 2020ne & 2022 (which was pretty much a geopolitical headache for the IOC, to say the least), I'm sure the IOC is ready for a break from the "good ole' east". 

And just forget about India, Indonesia (who's capital is very congested, polluted & sinking by the way) & the Middle East, as long as the IOC has the strict time-line of holding the Summer Olympics between July 15th-Aug. 31st. Those locales would be make Tokyo 2020ne seem like a brisk, autumn day in comparison. 

[Chris_Mex]

27 minutes ago, FYI said:

You forget, though, that the IOC is still very much a *European* organization, & would just jump on any worthy European candidature. And after just having finished the Asia trio of 2018, 2020ne & 2022 (which was pretty much a geopolitical headache for the IOC, to say the least), I'm sure the IOC is ready for a break from the "good ole' east". 

And just forget about India, Indonesia (who's capital is very congested, polluted & sinking by the way) & the Middle East, as long as the IOC has the strict time-line of holding the Summer Olympics between July 15th-Aug. 31st. Those locales would be make Tokyo 2020ne seem like a brisk, autumn day in comparison. 

Well if climate is the excuse, then see you never again asia, and latin-america, and africa (even tho there was never a hello)and probably in a few years southern europe and west of USA

[FYI]

The "excuse" is the IOC's July/Aug. time window, not necessarily the climate, per se. So you'll have to take that up with them. Just look at FIFA shifting this year's WC from the summer to the winter in order to avoid Qatar's extreme heat. That's the issue. And the "west of USA" will be hosting in a few years in 2028 anyway. So that's already taken care of.

[Chris_Mex]

13 minutes ago, FYI said:

The "excuse" is the IOC's July/Aug. time window, not necessarily the climate, per se. So you'll have to take that up with them. Just look at FIFA shifting this year's WC from the summer to the winter in order to avoid Qatar's extreme heat. That's the issue. And the "west of USA" will be hosting in a few years in 2028 anyway. So that's already taken care of.

oh ok, does that solve the issue?

[stryker]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:57 AM, FYI said:

As for Africa, let's be realistic here, shall we. Other than South Africa, the rest of the continent is simply a non-starter. Even Senegal can't keep up with the much smaller-league youth Olympics, so what more can really be expected, besides not much, from the real deal. And before you mention Egypt, they'd be nothing but a security nightmare, that would even make Ukraine appear to be a safer bet.

 

All of Africa is a non-starter. South Africa is on the verge of being a failed state with their economy coupled with last summer's riots. 

On 4/4/2022 at 3:16 AM, Chris_Mex said:

India is TOO big, they can find a city where the climate is OK and the pollution (which I may consider the serious issue with their bid) is not such a big problem. Also by that time india will be world's 2nd richest country so guess money won't really be an issue, unless it does.

India is also a non-starter until they improve their track record of hosting multi-sporting events. Exhibit A of that failure is the much maligned 2010 CWGs. Had those been a success I think there'd be serious conversation about an Indian SOGs in the very near future. India also fell flat in their attempt to host the Asian Games (New Delhi lost to Incheon for the 2014 edition). Bottom line is if you cannot handle a CWGs or convince the OCA to award you an Asian Games then the Olympics are and should be a pipe dream for India. India needs to host a successful CWGs or Asian Games before thinking about an Olympics.

[Australian Kiwi]

On 4/5/2022 at 5:06 AM, FYI said:

And several other timelines while they're at it.

This is so overplayed & a very pessimistic view by those who paint it. Why not view a possible 2036 German Olympics with a positive light? Like look at how democratic & thriving a society Germany is now versus those German Games from a century ago? Especially when you compare it to their current authoritarian & destructive neighbor to the east. So no, Germany would "definitely" NOT be "out" for 2036. Way too early to make such a misinformed declaration. 

Agree its all optics. A 2036 German Olympics - if the messaging was handled appropriately - could be quite profound. Especially after Ukraine, pushing 'United Europe' would have a lot of resonance.