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Co: too small

Jak: too poor & underdeveloped

Joburg: plausible, but its more likely durban gets the first african games because Joburg aint as developed

SP: wont be for awhile until the next sa games, and Id say by then its more likely to go to another country

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Would the following cities be plausible Summer host cities:

Copenhagen

Jakarta

Johannesburg

São Paulo

Copenhagen: Beautiful city, might appear a bit small - on the other hand, it does has 1.2 million inhabitants, a great history and arts scene (important for Cultural Olympiad), a stunning seaside scenery (and opportunities to escape to Germany and Sweden) and has been ranked #6 for sports. Contrary to public perception, Denmark has had modest success at the Summer Olympics. Copenhagen would be the perfect city for a scaled-down Summer Olympics.

That said, they would still need to expand the capacity for Copenhagen Airport and really put some money together to invest in highways, if they wanted to pull it off. In an off-peak year, in which only mid-tier cities bid (basically, unlike 2024), it might have a chance. But if a giant like NYC, Tokyo or Paris walks through the door - quite unlikely. Also, the city is expensive compared to other European capitals - not sure whether inhabitants would be too thrilled to have the Olympics drive up rates for housing and transport. The usual "the Olympics will improve your way of life" argument won't work here, especially as the CPH is frequently referred to as one of the world's most livable cities.

Jakarta: I agree with Baron; too poor, unlike China or India, doesn't really offer a real market for the IOC. Plus, public transport is woeful - plus, there is no compelling narrative. Seoul had development and democracy, Beijing showcased the rise of a new global superpower, an Indian city would one day herald the arrival (and acknowledgement) of 1.2 billion people (and consumers) on the world stage. But what would Indonesia bring to the table.

Johannesburg: Too much crime, Cape Town and Durban are much more scenic. Then again, crime and the favelas didn't stop the IOC from committing to Rio de Janeiro (with unknown results, we'll just have to wait - the World Cup wasn't as much of a disaster as predicted by everyone...then again, my memory may be clouded because Germany won the World Cup ;))

Sao Paolo: Way too early for an Olympic Games in Brazil. Arguably, there are other Latin American cities waiting for their time to shine (Buenos Aires, Santiago), as well as other cities in the world. So yeah: "Get in line" would be the IOC's answer.

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Copenhagen: Beautiful city, might appear a bit small - on the other hand, it does has 1.2 million inhabitants, a great history and arts scene (important for Cultural Olympiad), a stunning seaside scenery (and opportunities to escape to Germany and Sweden) and has been ranked #6 for sports. Contrary to public perception, Denmark has had modest success at the Summer Olympics. Copenhagen would be the perfect city for a scaled-down Summer Olympics.

That said, they would still need to expand the capacity for Copenhagen Airport and really put some money together to invest in highways, if they wanted to pull it off. In an off-peak year, in which only mid-tier cities bid (basically, unlike 2024), it might have a chance. But if a giant like NYC, Tokyo or Paris walks through the door - quite unlikely. Also, the city is expensive compared to other European capitals - not sure whether inhabitants would be too thrilled to have the Olympics drive up rates for housing and transport. The usual "the Olympics will improve your way of life" argument won't work here, especially as the CPH is frequently referred to as one of the world's most livable cities.

Thanks for the nice Words on Copenhagen. And i havn´t seen that list where we are number 6. Thats impressing, and shows we already host a lot of events. Yes it would be a smaller Olympics than Paris. But when all comes to all. Is it possible to see whether there are 7 or 10.000 public at the boxing matches, or 4 or 7.000 to Weightlifting when you are there, or when you Watch on tv. I would much rather have smaller venues that are filled, than bigger that are not filled. And when we are a smaller city and town, there will of course be fewer to buy tickets. The mood in the crowd can be just as good with 5.000 as with 7.000... And if we could share with Malmø, just 15-20 minutes train ride from Copenhagen Airport, and that area, I think should fit pefectly for the Olympic village, and use there nice venues it could really help a lot.

Regarding hi ways, of course it should be some more here and there, but I would much rather increase the public transportation. We have more metro underway already and light rails also is decided already. And in the Whole country a wide going rail-plan to increase the speed also has been decided already. And yes, we also love to use our bikes in the city and more and more bicyclehiways with no lights to stop at is being made.

Regarding airport capacity there have been plans about another terminal for discount planes (Easy Jet and so on), but has not yet been finalised as far as i know. There is also another airport in Billand, which will get train to in the following years, and then about 2 hours from Copenhagen (and Malmø just on the other side of the Water also has a small airport). Hamburg with new Fehmern tunnel will be about 3 hour train trip away.

Yes the city of Copenhagen has a population of 1,2 million (and increasing much every year). But do we take the Whole "Øresundsregion" we have within 100 km 3,7 million with 2/3 of them in Denmark. And all the major cities in both Denmark and Sweden has good Railway connection to Copenhagen.

Yes Copenhagen isn´t New York or Paris. But I still believe we could make a beuatiful Olympic games in cooperation with Sweden. Small but cousy games ;)

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Before I give my opinion on those Cities you mentioned, let me just remind you on many of the previous Summer Olympic host Cities. London, Beijing, Sydney, Paris, Tokyo, Barcelona, Moscow and Los Angeles, all major World Cities. Athens isn't a major World City, but they are the ancient Olympic Host. Atlanta was an exception.

Copenhagen - Maybe if they co-hosted, they might host.

Jakarta - Won't host anytime soon, especially with other Asian Cities that are more capable then Jakarta is.

Johannesburg - They could host it, but South Africa will probably choose Durban as their Bidder.

Sao Paulo - South America probably won't host again before 2040 after Rio 2016 and if they do host again, I don't think Brazil will host, it will probably be Chile IMO.

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Before I give my opinion on those Cities you mentioned, let me just remind you on many of the previous Summer Olympic host Cities. London, Beijing, Sydney, Paris, Tokyo, Barcelona, Moscow and Los Angeles, all major World Cities. Athens isn't a major World City, but they are the ancient Olympic Host. Atlanta was an exception.

Copenhagen - Maybe if they co-hosted, they might host.

Jakarta - Won't host anytime soon, especially with other Asian Cities that are more capable then Jakarta is.

Johannesburg - They could host it, but South Africa will probably choose Durban as their Bidder.

Sao Paulo - South America probably won't host again before 2040 after Rio 2016 and if they do host again, I don't think Brazil will host, it will probably be Chile IMO.

Copenhagen would be best-served if it was able to co-host. After all, cost minimization is the wave of the future - but can we expect an amendment of the Olympic Charter permitting joint bids? Not with Thomas Bach in charge...he's hardly a reformer.

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Further, I'd believe that it's the turn for the following nations in the next few cycles:

Germany (depends on how well Hamburg sells its bid - and it might benefit from Paris not opting for 2024), France (Mayor has rejected talk of 2024, might go for 2028), China (Shanghai, as it has established an even more international reputation than Beijing), India (New Delhi - which looks a bit more likely under the new majority government than the old one, which was full of the cronies that made such a hash of the 2010 Commonwealth Games) and the United States (but not sure whether USOC didn't make a mistake in choosing Boston over LA).

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Copenhagen would be best-served if it was able to co-host. After all, cost minimization is the wave of the future - but can we expect an amendment of the Olympic Charter permitting joint bids? Not with Thomas Bach in charge...he's hardly a reformer.

As far as I know the nye agenda 2020 has allowed joined bids. So it is decided already. Or does I not understand what you mean?

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As far as I know the nye agenda 2020 has allowed joined bids. So it is decided already. Or does I not understand what you mean?

You're right - I was clearly not up-to-date with the latest in IOC decision-making...so yes, provided the Charter has been automatically amended in December 2014, then these joint bids are already possible...

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I was actually going to say Jakarta (Indonesia) is a bit behind in terms of their laws, in particular the death penalty. This week in particular, Indonesia executed several individuals from foreign countries which has seen The Netherlands and Brazil recall their ambassadors to those nations. Not to mention 2 Australians are facing death row for drug smuggling.

But then again, tens of US states still have the death penalty..

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What's wrong with the death penalty? I don't want to start an all out war on it but I somewhat support it to an extent. Indonesia's death laws are pretty messed up but in a first world country like the US, I don't think we would be freely killing foreigners. You make all of the laws relating to the death penalty sound the same when in reality, they're not. I'm pretty sure you would have to do some ridiculously horrible things to be sentenced to die in the US. Heck, some states have the right to kill, but choose not to.

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I was actually going to say Jakarta (Indonesia) is a bit behind in terms of their laws, in particular the death penalty. This week in particular, Indonesia executed several individuals from foreign countries which has seen The Netherlands and Brazil recall their ambassadors to those nations. Not to mention 2 Australians are facing death row for drug smuggling.

But then again, tens of US states still have the death penalty..

Yes but the difference between the US and Indonesia is we for the most part only put our own citizens on death row. Illegal immigrants are fair game, and for good reason. I don't believe we would ever put a foreigner visiting from another country on death row without discussing it with the right officials from their country of origin. If those Australians were illegally there, then they're fair game as well.

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Yes but the difference between the US and Indonesia is we for the most part only put our own citizens on death row. Illegal immigrants are fair game, and for good reason. I don't believe we would ever put a foreigner visiting from another country on death row without discussing it with the right officials from their country of origin. If those Australians were illegally there, then they're fair game as well.

Wait. They should be put to death because they're illegal immigrants or just they should be allowed to if they commit serious crimes? Confused and definitely thought I should clarify...

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Steering this away from what could be a very contentious discussion about the merits of capital punishment: I think that we all agree that Jakarta is quite simply unsuitable for reasons of woeful infrastructure, Indonesia's lack of contribution to the Olympic Movement and/or sporting achievement, as well as a lacking explanation why the IOC should pick the Indonesian capital over such potential opponents as Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Shanghai and others....

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Yes but the difference between the US and Indonesia is we for the most part only put our own citizens on death row. Illegal immigrants are fair game, and for good reason. I don't believe we would ever put a foreigner visiting from another country on death row without discussing it with the right officials from their country of origin.

For the most part. Texas put to death a Mexian citizen about a year ago who was found guilt of killing a police officer; the Mexican government strongly opposed the sentence.

Pulling this back on topic... this isn't something the IOC cares about. China has the highest rate of capital punishment in the world. They are probably about to be awarded the 2022 games.... after being given the 2008 games.

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On 7/23/2021 at 10:57 AM, kcbworth said:

I just joined this forum.

For me a REALLY obvious host would be Singapore (with some events going to Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, maybe even Indonesia)

Would make a whole heap of sense

 

 

Why would Singapore need to team up with anyone else other than their next door neighbour of Johor Bahru? They've got plenty of existing venues and would probably team up with next door Malaysia for some specific sports.

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I spent an unexpected 24 hour layover a couple weeks ago in New York following a missed connection to London. Walked past MSG and it got pondering New York's failed 2012 bid along with what it would take for the SOGs to come to the Big Apple. I know the topic has been discussed ad nauseum here, but one of the main sticking points that seems to rear its ugly head with regards to any future bid is the athletics stadium issue given that all of New York's major sports teams have new stadiums with the except of NYFC and they are likely to have a soccer specific stadium well in advance of any bid. With regards to the stadium issue and the acceptance of smaller capacity stadiums for athletics (Brisbane) could Yankee Stadium not fit a regulation athletics track? I'm not sure of the dimensions as to whether or not it would fit. If so, that could solve the problem though capacity would be even less than what Brisbane is proposing. There's even an athletics track directly adjacent to Yankee Stadium that could serve as a warm up track.

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