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Football. World's Most Popular Sport, Barclays Premier League is the Biggest Football League in the World, so the Sport is important.

It may be the most popular sport in the world, but what does the Premier League have to do with that? Particularly when England Great Britain does not participate in football at the Olympics (they made an exception for 2012 because the Olympics were in London). Remember that the Olympic football tournament on the men's side is mostly a U-23 tournament, so the traditional football powers haven't necessarily been that successful. They keep it this way so that the Olympic tournament does not over-shadow the World Cup which is a far bigger showcase of the sport than the Olympics ever could be. And as we saw as recently as the Athens Olympics, there were a lot of empty seats in those venues in what is supposed to be a nation that cares about football.

Also, as I brought up earlier with regard to your list.. the IOC voted to remove wrestling from the Olympic program. I agree (as do most people) that it never should have been a candidate to be removed from consideration, but don't forget how close they were to dropping wrestling.

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IMO, the Sports that should always be a Summer Olympic Sport and never removed as a Summer Olympic Sport are:

Football. World's Most Popular Sport, Barclays Premier League is the Biggest Football League in the World, so the Sport is important.

Golf. Unique Sport.

Rugby. Popular Sport.

Aquatics. Popular Olympic Sport.

Athletics. Popular Olympic Sport.

Cycling. Popular Olympic Sport.

Gymnastics. Popular Olympic Sport.

Wrestling. Popular Sport.

Table Tennis. Unique Sport.

Badminton. Unique Sport.

Boxing. Popular Sport.

Volleyball. Unique Sport.

Beach Volleyball. Unique Sport.

Archery. Unique Sport.

Shooting. Unique Sport.

Tennis. Popular Sport.

Weightlifting. Unique Sport.

I also think Squash should be added too. (Growing Popular Sport).

To add a bit more insight, could you please elaborate on what makes a sport "unique", and why you wouldn't consider e.g. judo or fencing unique?

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canoe/ slalom simply need to go. More than any sport, they represent the lopsidedness in an events relevance vs the value to the host city.

There are a lot of countries that would not need to build a venue for it, though. Los Angeles, for example, has access to numerous natural river rapids in the Sierra Nevada mountains. France and Germany have large streams in the Alps. Even London could have put the event in Scotland. The problem is, just like golf, hosts usually choose to build a new venue when they don't have to in order to make their bid look more attractive.

I agree with Quaker. They should designate optional sports for the host. If the host city has stadiums for cricket, baseball, canoe/kayak, etc then they should be able to choose to host those sports. If not, then they should not be obligated to. And probably not even allowed to.

ABSOLUTELY!! A $25 million ballroom vs. an $850 million stadium?? :blink::blink: It's a no brainer!! Will top DANCING WITH THE STARS' ratings!!

To be honest, dance could work pretty well. There wouldn't be that many athletes and the host shouldn't need to build anything new. How many elite cities in the world don't have a grand ballroom?

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Number of "sports," in and of itself isn't important. It's the number of participants, venues, medals, etc. that matter.

Also, there are few venues that necessarily have to be uberexpensive. It's the federations requiring beyone state-of-the-art facilities that jacks up the cost.

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If you all still think the rejection towards the games and the IOC in Paris is only due to the costs, you still haven't understood much about the Parisian position.

Aristocratic entitlement and cost are related, though. The same attitude that leads to the IOC making decisions that damage the host country's economy is also responsible for the IOC demanding things like private cocktail parties with the King of Norway.

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I am NOT a fan of chopping and changing the Olympic Program- the Olympics is about timeless consistency in some ways. I thought in Sydney they should have capped it at 300 events/ 10000 athletes and no more...

Ballroom dancing relies on a judging panel- like ice skating and boxing......so not a good idea (apart from its general craziness).

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To be honest, dance could work pretty well. There wouldn't be that many athletes and the host shouldn't need to build anything new. How many elite cities in the world don't have a grand ballroom?

Ballroom dancing relies on a judging panel- like ice skating and boxing......so not a good idea (apart from its general craziness).

I was kidding about ballroom dancing. Nacre.. cities have ballrooms. Do they have ballrooms that are designed and/or can handle a crowd of a few thousand people? Obviously there's convention space for that, but that doesn't give them an edge over some other sports that require a similar space.

I know there is a world championships for ballroom dancing and a governing body, but they'd probably need a lot more presence than that if they ever wanted the IOC to take them seriously.

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I think this also is an sign of the times with Europe and an clearly showing that Europe is in decline things keep the games how it is right now it's great, If Western Europe well the far left wing on the rise in Spain and Socialism on the rise in Italy I don't see Europe coming out of this economic mess soon, The only strong countries in Europe right now are Germany and Russia.

Los Angeles USA is an clear frontrunner for the 2024 bid race it will be interesting to see if John Tory restarts the Toronto Canada 2024 bid will be giving the USA an fight an USA vs Canada show down for the 2024 games hosting rights.

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I think this also is an sign of the times with Europe and an clearly showing that Europe is in decline things keep the games how it is right now it's great, If Western Europe well the far left wing on the rise in Spain and Socialism on the rise in Italy I don't see Europe coming out of this economic mess soon, The only strong countries in Europe right now are Germany and Russia.

Los Angeles USA is an clear frontrunner for the 2024 bid race it will be interesting to see if John Tory restarts the Toronto Canada 2024 bid will be giving the USA an fight an USA vs Canada show down for the 2024 games hosting rights.

Are you a natural-born Australian? What you just wrote is a bit of a mess I had trouble understanding what your point was.

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I think this also is an sign of the times with Europe and an clearly showing that Europe is in decline things keep the games how it is right now it's great, If Western Europe well the far left wing on the rise in Spain and Socialism on the rise in Italy I don't see Europe coming out of this economic mess soon, The only strong countries in Europe right now are Germany and Russia.

Los Angeles USA is an clear frontrunner for the 2024 bid race it will be interesting to see if John Tory restarts the Toronto Canada 2024 bid will be giving the USA an fight an USA vs Canada show down for the 2024 games hosting rights.

No, there is no 'clear' frontrunner at this point in time. Considering we don't know if the United States is bidding (let alone if Los Angeles is the city), can't really call them a frontrunner. No one should be anointing a frontrunner at this point and unless you want to make a way too early prediction, make sure to draw the line between what you think might happen and what is clear at this point. Which is to say.. very very little.

And as much as one can point to a less than ideal economic state of affairs in Europe.. no. The issue right now isn't so much Europe as it is the IOC. None of these countries want to work with them. Don't read into the situation that these countries don't want to partake in an event that's going to cost billions of dollars as a sign that Europe is in decline.

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I think this also is an sign of the times with Europe and an clearly showing that Europe is in decline things keep the games how it is right now it's great, If Western Europe well the far left wing on the rise in Spain and Socialism on the rise in Italy I don't see Europe coming out of this economic mess soon, The only strong countries in Europe right now are Germany and Russia.

Los Angeles USA is an clear frontrunner for the 2024 bid race it will be interesting to see if John Tory restarts the Toronto Canada 2024 bid will be giving the USA an fight an USA vs Canada show down for the 2024 games hosting rights.

Europe is just going through a Depression, we had one in 1932 but pulled off a fantastic games. Europe is no where near decline and your own comment proves it by outlining the global power that Germany is rapidly becoming. I have full confidence that Europe will reemerge from this depression as a stronger and in some ways more unified continent. It's just that many nations do not want to work with an organization that sees no fault in pitching city against city, nation against nation, in a contest that could be decided in a year. We also must not forget the HUGE disappointment that was Paris 2012, I mean if I were French I would be offended and probably not care for Paris to bid again either.

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And yet, all this talk about number of sports, number of athletes, venues etc. is not something that ought to worry Paris too much. Their 2012 bid was robust and surely many aspects of it could be replicated for 2024. The worry about the mega-size of the Games is that it's an event which only mega-cities in well-developed economies can host. Well, Paris is such a city, and of course its closest equivilent hosted a successful Games with no white elephants in the teeth of a recession only two years ago. Paris could do the same - if it wants. And there's the rub.

The questions are not what would France do with a white water venue or whatever. London has found ways of supporting and monetising such venues and so would Paris I'm sure. The only questions are does Paris want it, does it want to deal with the IOC, does it want to go through another bidding process, or does it have other priorities? That's their decision really.

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No, there is no 'clear' frontrunner at this point in time. Considering we don't know if the United States is bidding (let alone if Los Angeles is the city), can't really call them a frontrunner. No one should be anointing a frontrunner at this point and unless you want to make a way too early prediction, make sure to draw the line between what you think might happen and what is clear at this point. Which is to say.. very very little.

i really have to disagree with you on this one. los angeles is the only city we know would bid no matter what -- besides the perennial dohas of the world -- and thus, i think it's safe to say at this early stage los angeles is indeed the frontrunner, for whatever that's worth.

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i really have to disagree with you on this one. los angeles is the only city we know would bid no matter what -- besides the perennial dohas of the world -- and thus, i think it's safe to say at this early stage los angeles is indeed the frontrunner, for whatever that's worth.

Key word there.. 'would' If you're ready to make the leap to the point where the USOC has already decided to bid and chosen LA as their city, then yes, they're probably the front-runner. And I do think the USOC will bid since the competition doesn't look like it'll be there. But still, how long was Hillary Clinton the front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination? Then all of a sudden we found out who the other people running against her were and well, how did that turn out.

Remember the kid in the classroom analogy of mine you liked so much? Los Angeles is the kid raising his hand begging the teacher to call on him. Doesn't mean he has the correct answer.

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Remember the kid in the classroom analogy of mine you liked so much? Los Angeles is the kid raising his hand begging the teacher to call on him. Doesn't mean he has the correct answer.

But it sure as hell will give 'em good class participation and possibly a teacher recommendation.

I don't know how that would equate when it's not in analogy form, though. But it is a serious thing to consider especially if you are going to use a classroom one.

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Key word there.. 'would' If you're ready to make the leap to the point where the USOC has already decided to bid and chosen LA as their city, then yes, they're probably the front-runner. And I do think the USOC will bid since the competition doesn't look like it'll be there. But still, how long was Hillary Clinton the front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination? Then all of a sudden we found out who the other people running against her were and well, how did that turn out.

Remember the kid in the classroom analogy of mine you liked so much? Los Angeles is the kid raising his hand begging the teacher to call on him. Doesn't mean he has the correct answer.

Taking your analogy even further, Los Angles is also the kid that has a long history of getting the answers right. LA is the class know-it-all who always gets things right.

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