Johannesburg 2024

[MissEurasia]

I was looking at the 2024 Summer Olympic Page on Wikipedia and I found that Johannesburg was listed. I then Decided to do a bit of research, and I found an article on Insidethegames.

It basically said South Africa's Gauteng Province is set to make a bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics if the IOC. The bid would be focused on it's capital Johannesburg.

If they do bid, they'll have to get past Durban first right? I mean Durban was SA's favourite for years.

[baron-pierreIV]

If they do bid, they'll have to get past Durban first right? I mean Durban was SA's favourite for years.

It still is. This guy is just blowing smoke up his a__.

[zekekelso]

Durban was South Africa's Olympic Committee's choice for 2020. That possible bid went nowhere when the government refused to support it.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this bid includes the main capital of Pretoria instead of just Johannesburg.

[gromit]

It still is. This guy is just blowing smoke up his a__.

No it isn't

Johannesburg is a significantly larger city than Durban and its infrastructure is more advanced. Whilst Durban has the Moses Mabhida Stadium and the Kings Park Sports complex, Johannesburg has an equally rich sporting infrastructure.

Johannesburg has multiple sports stadium, including an Athletics stadium which can be updated and expanded to be the main stadium and was used previously for two major athletics events, as well as the two largest arenas in South Africa

It is the major economic centre for South Africa, has the country's No1 airport and significantly greater accommodation already than Durban.

Principle negatives include its altitude of 1753 metres and the fact it is not near and open body of water

[baron-pierreIV]

No it isn't

Johannesburg is a significantly larger city than Durban and its infrastructure is more advanced. Whilst Durban has the Moses Mabhida Stadium and the Kings Park Sports complex, Johannesburg has an equally rich sporting infrastructure.

Johannesburg has multiple sports stadium, including an Athletics stadium which can be updated and expanded to be the main stadium and was used previously for two major athletics events, as well as the two largest arenas in South Africa

It is the major economic centre for South Africa, has the country's No1 airport and significantly greater accommodation already than Durban.

Principle negatives include its altitude of 1753 metres and the fact it is not near and open body of water

So what? Durban has the more appropriate July-August weather; the IOC is already familiar with it. So how is the country saving money by bypassing a ready-made Olympic-ready stadium...just to build ANOTHER one? Durban and the SAOC won't give up without a fight.

[gromit]

So what? Durban has the more appropriate July-August weather; the IOC is already familiar with it. So how is the country saving money by bypassing a ready-made Olympic-ready stadium...just to build ANOTHER one? Durban and the SAOC won't give up without a fight.

Since when has the IOC ever chosen the 3rd city in a country over the 1st sized?

So it is all about the main stadium then? What about all of the other supporting facilities? The Moses Mahbida is not ready made ... it has the ability to host athletics ... but never has.

The Johannesburg stadium has.

and what about all the other infrastructure required? The cost of expanding a stadium compared to building a huge number of extra hotels, dramatically expanding an airport, built more indoor arenas than other locations etc.

And has the SAOC even decided on their contender yet??

[woohooitsme83]

Since when has the IOC ever chosen the 3rd city in a country over the 1st sized?

LA? Atlanta? Different circumstances affect the choosing of the rights city. It's not only limited to infrastructure.

Correction: *infrastructure and size

[StefanMUC]

Since when has the IOC ever chosen the 3rd city in a country over the 1st sized?

1972

[FYI]

Since when has the IOC ever chosen the 3rd city in a country over the 1st sized?

Antwerp, Atlanta, Barcelona. Besides, that is a pretty simplistic view, since because when has the IOC ever chosen an African city, besides never. That aspect alone will pretty much trumpet all, regardless of what South Afrrican city it is, as long as it's a credible effort from one of their large cities, which Durban most certainly is.

A lot people here are just enamored with Cape Town, witch isn't that much larger than Durban, & yet still is that much smaller than Johannesburg. Go figure.

And has the SAOC even decided on their contender yet??

They seem to be learning towards Durbsn anyway, due to a lot of their positive attributes, as Baron pointed out.

1972

Ahh, yes. And Munich.

[binary]

don't forget the level of crime in JO as opposed to Durban

[zekekelso]

Let's face it, if it weren't one of the few cities in Africa that could potentially host, Durban would be a joke of a suggestion. It's orders of magnitue below what typical host cities have in terms of international flights, hotels, shopping, etc. And that includes Atlanta, Munich, etc.

At least from Johannesburg you can get a direct flight to Europe. Or the US. Or Australia.

[FYI]

Well, that's just it. Bcuz Durban IS in Africa that can potentially host, that takes the "joke" factor outta the equation. Besides, it's not like Johannesburg is some big. global tourist mecca anyway. At least you can find extensive beaches in Durban, & the weather to go along with it.

[LatinXTC]

don't forget the level of crime in JO as opposed to Durban

Didn't stop the USOC to give the US bid for the 2016 games to Chicago, that's quickly become a murder capital in the US, over LA, Philadelphia, Houston, and San Francisco. And didn't stop the IOC from giving the games to Rio, which is possibly the most dangerous city ever to hold a Summer Olympic games.

[baron-pierreIV]

Didn't stop the USOC to give the US bid for the 2016 games to Chicago, that's quickly become a murder capital in the US, over LA, Philadelphia, Houston, and San Francisco. And didn't stop the IOC from giving the games to Rio, which is possibly the most dangerous city ever to hold a Summer Olympic games.

So what are you saying? That a high crime index is a desirable factor in becoming an Olympic host??

[binary]

Didn't stop the USOC to give the US bid for the 2016 games to Chicago, that's quickly become a murder capital in the US, over LA, Philadelphia, Houston, and San Francisco. And didn't stop the IOC from giving the games to Rio, which is possibly the most dangerous city ever to hold a Summer Olympic games.

Rio won because it was south americas turn. Not to mention the levels of crime were points of contention for those cities, and for Rio, it still is. And, the way the venues were organized for both cities, most of the events would take place in areas far removed from the high crime areas. But one would imagine that Durban (or maybe even Johannesburg?) would do the same.

And to add to Baron if you have to highly similar cities, wouldn't you say that crime level would be an important intagible?

[mr.bernham]

Rio won because it was south americas turn. Not to mention the levels of crime were points of contention for those cities, and for Rio, it still is. And, the way the venues were organized for both cities, most of the events would take place in areas far removed from the high crime areas. But one would imagine that Durban (or maybe even Johannesburg?) would do the same.

And to add to Baron if you have to highly similar cities, wouldn't you say that crime level would be an important intagible?

Well Tokyo certainly does not have the level of crime and it is the worlds most populated city.

[binary]

Well in Japan they're well educated, they have a wealthy middle class, they have one of the highest standards of living, they have a huge economy , and their culture is grounded in respect for one another. So all in all, I can kind of understand why they are safer there.

also its really hard to own a gun

[baron-pierreIV]

Well in Japan they're well educated, they have a wealthy middle class, they have one of the highest standards of living, they have a huge economy , and their culture is grounded in respect for one another. So all in all, I can kind of understand why they are safer there.

also its really hard to own a gun

Hmmmmm. Where do you think the Yakuza is headquartered?

[woohooitsme83]

There are a lot of dangerous gangs everywhere, bruh. I'd say Japan is one of the more friendly/clean places out there (If based entirely on anime and mainstream media)

[LatinXTC]

So what are you saying? That a high crime index is a desirable factor in becoming an Olympic host??

No you douche. I'm saying that the IOC and national Olympic committees don't exactly take into account a city's crime rate. And that's probably because they know they're going to be shelling out up to, if not over, a billion dollars into security so they can defend the Olympic games from terrorist attacks on top of every day city crime.

[woohooitsme83]

I'm pretty sure he wan't being serious, as the ' :rolleyes:' shows...

[ofan]

No you douche. I'm saying that the IOC and national Olympic committees don't exactly take into account a city's crime rate. And that's probably because they know they're going to be shelling out up to, if not over, a billion dollars into security so they can defend the Olympic games from terrorist attacks on top of every day city crime.

They do take it into account. In fact, it's an important part of a bidding procedure. That being said, I think your looking to deep into it. Rio got through because it's the first South American host, so crime wasn't quite as important. Chicago has high gang-related violence but this comes in a well-established country. Chicago did not lose the 2016 games because of the South Side, their bid just wasn't up to par.

[baron-pierreIV]

No you douche. I'm saying that the IOC and national Olympic committees don't exactly take into account a city's crime rate. And that's probably because they know they're going to be shelling out up to, if not over, a billion dollars into security so they can defend the Olympic games from terrorist attacks on top of every day city crime.

That was the implication of what you posted, douche BAG!!

[gromit]

Hmmmmm. Where do you think the Yakuza is headquartered?

The Yakuza do not have a HQs as a single entity. They are transnational organisation of crime syndicates, 21 recognised by the Japanese police, of which only 5 are based in the Tokyo Metro area.

Most members according to statistics actually come from the southern most of Japanese Islands, Kyushu.

A bit like saying the Mafia are HQ'd in Sicily

[FYI]

Chicago did not lose the 2016 games because of the South Side, their bid just wasn't up to par.

No, their bid didn't lose bcuz it "wasn't up to par", either. At the time, it was cited by some in the media, that's Chicago's bid was one of the, if not "the" best technical American bid ever submitted for a Summer Olympics. Like you eluded to in your first sentence, Rio got through bcuz it was the first South American city that could've potentially hosted the Games in that cycle.

It's not like Rio's bid was some grandiose package ala Sochi, with new Olympic parks & littered with new facilities. It was a MUCH spead-out four-cluster concept, using a lot of existing venues, like the Marcana (which was originally built for the 1950 World Cup), & adding to that the unprecedented decision of the IOC by making an exception of having the ceremonies & the athletics separated for the first-time ever. So nothing too over the top about it at all, other than it's exotic, new locale for the Games.