LDOG Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 What I mean is, we can compete with Brazil in a handful of sports but not in all the sports, because we just don't have enough people to compete in them. Our "rivalry" in the olympic level is with Colombia or Venezuela who have similar population as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Danny, we can't possibly compete with you at the olympics. You have 4x our population. It would be like Canada wanting to surpass the US, it just will never happen no matter how much Canada improves. Its possible with the funding, just look at the last two Winter Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Its possible with the funding, just look at the last two Winter Olympics We are talking about the important olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Danny, we can't possibly compete with you at the olympics. You have 4x our population. It would be like Canada wanting to surpass the US, it just will never happen no matter how much Canada improves. Australia have a bit more than half population of Argentina... And if population was the only reason to medal count, where is India? Indonesia? or even Nigeria in the first positions of medal table? The focus of the thread is not Argentina. My sole point is: rivalry will not push Brazil to win more medals... Maybe only in football since Argentina and Uruguay were already Olympic champions and Brazil is still fighting for its first gold medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Curiously, about medal tables, our goal was always to surpass Canada and/or be the 2nd best country in Americas... Achievement done in London 2012 and Guadalajara 2011 about Canada, but Jamaicans and Cubans did not allowed Brazil to be the 2nd best in Americas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Australia have a bit more than half population of Argentina... And if population was the only reason to medal count, where is India? Indonesia? or even Nigeria in the first positions of medal table? Budget and infrastructure also plays a role, logically, and those countries you mention do little to none investment in sport. Nevertheless, there is a limit to your possibilities, even if you gave us the USA sport budget they would still win more medals than us because they will always have bigger internal competition than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Curiously, about medal tables, our goal was always to surpass Canada and/or be the 2nd best country in Americas... Achievement done in London 2012 and Guadalajara 2011 about Canada, but Jamaicans and Cubans did not allowed Brazil to be the 2nd best in Americas... We still had more medals than you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Pathetic one gold though. Hopefully the sunny shores of Rio will be more golden for Canada. I can't see Brazil cracking the top ten, but a 5 to 8 gold and 25ish medal performance would be a great outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 We still had more medals than you though.One less Olympic Champion than the us... Anyway, I'm not in the mood to start Brazil vs. Canada fight again, my point keeps the same: I think the future of Brazil in sports is promising. Hopefully the sunny shores of Rio will be more golden for Canada.Or not... I can't see Brazil cracking the top ten, but a 5 to 8 gold and 25ish medal performance would be a great outcome.That's the realistic expectation... But who knows how much home can be an advantage (or exactly the opposite). Budget and infrastructure also plays a role, logically, and those countries you mention do little to none investment in sport.Indirect investment is still an investment... To keep schools with lots of courts, athletic paths, gymnasiums is in part an investment in sports. Nevertheless, there is a limit to your possibilities, even if you gave us the USA sport budget they would still win more medals than us because they will always have bigger internal competition than us.USA and China are out of discussion. Give Argentina the Australian budget and indirect investment in school-life sports and Argentina can get similar results, specially, because Argentine are passionate for sports, far more than Brazilians. Not to mention, Argentina was an Olympic power in the past (long time ago, but still), that's something Brazil only can dream about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 ......like the spectacular collapse at the world cup. ..home court didn't help this summer, maybe it hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 USA and China are out of discussion. Give Argentina the Australian budget and indirect investment in school-life sports and Argentina can get similar results, specially, because Argentine are passionate for sports, far more than Brazilians. Not to mention, Argentina was an Olympic power in the past (long time ago, but still), that's something Brazil only can dream about. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. If the investment and infrastructure were equal, we would surpass Australia, because we have more population and more people into sports overall. I don't recall us being an olympic power in the past, we used to win 7, 8 medals per olympic in Peron times, but that was the max we have ever got. Then we went to winning 0 or 1 for like 30 years and since the 2000s we have stabilized in 4-6. Personally, I'm expecting 6 or 7 in Rio. 1 chance in football (IF we qualify), 1 or 2 in Hockey, 1 or 2 in combat sports (Boxing, TKD, Judo), 1 or 2 in water sports (Sailing, Rowing, Canoeing) and 1 in Rugby or Tennis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 ......like the spectacular collapse at the world cup. ..home court didn't help this summer, maybe it hurt. We still have more stars in our golden shirts than any other nation in the most popular sport of this blue marble... Sometimes, giants can be defeated in a very bad way... But the glory of being the best of all times lasts longer and worth more... PS: It was winter at the holy soil of Brazil, check your factbook about Hemispheres and stuff. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. If the investment and infrastructure were equal, we would surpass Australia, because we have more population and more people into sports overall. I don't recall us being an olympic power in the past, we used to win 7, 8 medals per olympic in Peron times, but that was the max we have ever got. Then we went to winning 0 or 1 for like 30 years and since the 2000s we have stabilized in 4-6. Personally, I'm expecting 6 or 7 in Rio. 1 chance in football (IF we qualify), 1 or 2 in Hockey, 1 or 2 in combat sports (Boxing, TKD, Judo), 1 or 2 in water sports (Sailing, Rowing, Canoeing) and 1 in Rugby or Tennis. Sorry, hermano, I don't buy that "population number" stuff... Population is part of the explanation, but not even close to be the key for success. Brazil with 200 million people is fighting with Canada (35 million people) a position behind Jamaica (2 million) and Cuba (11 milion)... None of these countries have similar populations. There is more to take in count, like dozens of categories for solo sports like track and field, gymnastics, swimming........... A country with good swimmers can surpass huge population countries focused on team sports. And as you know, South Americans love team sports who only give one single medal to the winner in the medal table... This is only one example that bar population sizes theory... The rest of your post seems really real. I think Argentina will have more "home advantage" than Brazil, somehow... I saw with my own eyes the invasion of your countrymen months ago (for the good and the evil). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Infostrada's projected medal standings: http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/2016-olympics-medal-predictions-infostrada/ Reading that they give the football gold to France and silver to Uruguay is truly cringeworthy... (hint: they are already eliminated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchbearerSydney Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 On the Brazil V Canada debate... I think Brazil will have more SOG Gold medals won at a home Games than Canada at the end of the Rio Olympics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 On the Brazil V Canada debate... I think Brazil will have more SOG Gold medals won at a home Games than Canada at the end of the Rio Olympics! Canada has 14. Brazil currently has 0. I doubt Brazil will win 15 gold medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 So long as Brazil doesn't do a Montreal / Calgary (where the host country did NOT win one gold medal), Brazil will be OK. And also as long as this nut isn't anywhere near Rio next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinXTC Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Canada has 14. Brazil currently has 0. I doubt Brazil will win 15 gold medals. lol no. Canada has 0. He said gold medals at a summer olympic home game. Canada had no gold medals in Montreal. Vancouver doesn't count. So yea, Brazil will beat you because it's impossible not to beat 0! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO2024 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Nope. Last time France got higher than 5th place was in 1948. I don't see them being 4th in the end. They'll probably get between 6th and 10th, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheal_warren Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 If New Zealand won 18 medals including 8 Gold this would be amazing and our best result ever. The New Zealand Olympic Committee has a goal of winning 14 medals which would be the highest total ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 So long as Brazil doesn't do a Montreal / Calgary (where the host country did NOT win one gold medal), Brazil will be OK. And also as long as this nut isn't anywhere near Rio next year. Given they just did the football equivilant of this at last year's World Cup I wouldn't be suprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Given they just did the football equivilant of this at last year's World Cup I wouldn't be suprised. But there is only one event and trophy in a WC -- so the chances aren't quite the same. You get one shot in 32 for a WC, but there are like what? 200+ chances for a gold medal in a SOG -- and in both individual and team excellence. They're sure to get at least one of the Beach Volleyball golds. (I hope.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 . You get one shot in 32 for a WC, Dear Brazil... You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo You better lose yourself in the music, the moment You own it, you better never let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TorchbearerSydney Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 With the Swimming and Athletics World Champs coming up things may change......the Swimming Champs though have had a lot of withdrawls. Would be very happy if AUS wins 14 golds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairrosfelipe Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 About the Brazil team, was the 1st in Doha 2014, with the olympic system. So I think Brazil have chances still with a good position with Kazan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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